Manny Ramirez Trade Deadline Thread (renamed)

[TheKilo]

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2008/07/trade_deadline_1.html

 

Breaking out from the Manny thread:

 

The Red Sox and Dodgers are engaged in substantive talks involving Manny Ramirez, according to sources, and if a deal can be finalized the expectation is that Boston would push to the front of the line on obtaining Mark Teixeira from the Braves.

 

The Mets New York Mets have continued to talk to the Red Sox without much possibility of finding a deal for Ramirez. The main track now involves the Dodgers. An executive who has spoken with officials from an involved team said it is his understanding that Boston would eat most, if not all, of the roughly $7 million left on Ramirez’s 2008 contract and in exchange would receive a top youngster such as Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier.

 

If they obtain Teixeira, the Red Sox could use current first baseman Kevin Youkilis either to replace Ramirez in left or as part of the trade for Teixeira.

 

My question becomes - if you move Manny for Kemp or Ethier/+, why even bother trading for Teixeira? Youkilis for Tex is a lateral move, especially at a 2 month rental:

 

Kemp for 5 yrs + Youk for 2 >> Kemp for 5 yrs and Tex for 1/2 yr

[jacksonianmarch]

I would assume that any Tex deal comes with the caveat of an extension

[ORS]

Don't know, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'd stand pat with Kemp and Youk.

 

Kemp would be a boon for the future of the team. He's 23 and putting up an .813 with 12 dingers and 23 steals in Dodger Stadium. He could approach 30/30 in Fenway with fabulous D to boot.

[TheKilo]

If Theo can turn Manny into Kemp for the rest of the year....wow.

 

What if the move for Teixeira comes from Jacoby+? Slide Youk to left, play Kemp in Center?

[TheKilo]

All for naught?

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/8389526/Big-names-could-move-before-deadline?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=3498

 

The Dodgers are not pursuing Red Sox left fielder Manny Ramirez or Braves first Mark Teixeira, according to major-league sources. Their priority remains a shortstop, and they might end up with only a backup at the position, if anyone.

 

The Red Sox contacted the Dodgers about Ramirez, just as they've contacted virtually every team that might be interested in the slugger. The Dodgers, however, dismissed the idea, balking at the likely asking price and the circus-like atmosphere surrounding Ramirez.

 

"There's too much going on there," one source said.

[zackredsox]

If Theo can turn Manny into Kemp for the rest of the year....wow.

 

What if the move for Teixeira comes from Jacoby+? Slide Youk to left, play Kemp in Center?

 

I'd rather move Teixeira to left. I think Youk might be slightly better at first then Teixeira. Plus Teixeira can also play OF.

[TheKilo]

I'd rather move Teixeira to left. I think Youk might be slightly better at first then Teixeira. Plus Teixeira can also play OF.

 

How many games has he played there the last 5 years?

[a700hitter]

Manny for Kemp?:thumbdown Good for the future, but bad for this year.

[TheKilo]

Manny for Kemp?:thumbdown Good for the future' date=' but bad for this year.[/quote']

 

They aren't going anywhere this year.

[ORS]

Manny for Kemp?:thumbdown Good for the future' date=' but bad for this year.[/quote']

This is the last year of the league?

[a700hitter]

This is the last year of the league?

I apologize for wanting to win this year.

[zackredsox]

How many games has he played there the last 5 years?

 

How about 6 years. 32

[TheKilo]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/29/manny.dodgers/index.html

 

The Red Sox appear serious about trading slugger Manny Ramirez and are talking to the Phillies and two other teams about a deal, according to people familiar with the talks.

 

It isn't yet known what players would be going back to Boston, but left fielder Pat Burrell is having a similar year statistically (.277/.400/.585 with 26 HRs and 61 RBIs in 103 games for Burrell; .304/.400/.538 with 20 HRs and 68 RBIs in 98 games for Ramirez) and could be a logical fit. He has a no-trade clause but has told the Phillies in the past that he'd be willing to waive it for the Red Sox and Yankees.

 

It is also believed that the Dodgers and the Marlins are the other teams involved in the Ramirez Sweepstakes. The Marlins appear to be a longshot.

 

While no deal involving Ramirez has been consummated, it appears to be gaining steam.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Florida Marlins???

 

trade Manny Ramirez for Hanley Ramirez

[a700hitter]

ManRam for HanRam. Great headline

[ORS]

I apologize for wanting to win this year.

I do too, and I like our chances with Kemp as much as I do with Manny. Over the course of 108 games, he trails Manny by 0.5 wins by WARP1. And he's doing it in other ways, such as on the basepaths and with his glove, that I think have increased value in the postseason.

 

Doesn't matter anyway. From the sound of things, the Dodgers aren't going to trade him.

[riverside sluggers]

I heard on my way home from work, WEEI, Sports Illustrated is reporting that the Phillies have the best chances to pull off a trade. Pat Burrell is the top candidate to go Boston's way. he has a no trade clause but has said before he would waive it to go to Boston or New York.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I heard on my way home from work' date=' WEEI, Sports Illustrated is reporting that the Phillies have the best chances to pull off a trade. Pat Burrell is the top candidate to go Boston's way. he has a no trade clause but has said before he would waive it to go to Boston or New York.[/quote']

 

Can't say I'm that excited about Pat Burrell

[ORS]

Why not? He's been more productive than Manny with the bat over the last 1.5 seasons. Despite playing in the Philly bandbox he's got no career home/road split. Yeah, he's a pretty poor defensive LF, but there's only one MLB LF'er who's worse. I'll give you one guess who that is.

[TheKilo]

I'd love to see Burrell on this team. Get Marson, too - even if you have to give up Bowden.

[Anuj09]

from mlbtraderumors.com

8:24am: Late last night, Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus had an interesting rumor:

 

One good source told me that he had heard that the Marlins were involved, willing to give up Jeremy Hermida and Boston-area product Jeff Allison, but I couldn't confirm this. I just don't see this deal getting done.

[schillingouttheks]

mlbtraderumors sucks.

[Anuj09]

it does but its still fun to read when your bored at work

[yeszir]

it does but its still fun to read when your bored at work

 

That's what the Talksox arcade is for!

[TheKilo]

Remy on WEEI -

 

"He was happy, fun, i don't know what happened but it's a totally different guy... I saw him yesterday, he asked me if he was traded, I said you got two more days and you don't want to really go.... he said yes I do, I want to find peace."

[BoSox21]

and by peace, he means he wants to go to a place where he can shove down travelling secretaries, fake injuries and slap teammates without the media and fans knowing or caring

[yeszir]

and by peace' date=' he means he wants to go to a place where he can shove down travelling secretaries, fake injuries and slap teammates without the media and fans knowing or caring[/quote']

 

All the while pulling in 20 mil+ with no real pressure on him.

[Mr Crunchy]

ya

pat burrell...

ohhh that put some lead in my pencil

based on remys comments and the response from ramirez we may have past the point of no return here

[TheKilo]

Sean McAdam on WEEI:

 

Just spoke to someone, something could happen, they are focusing on one team right now and headway is being made. NL team. COULD HAPPEN TONIGHT.

 

"For now, Manny is in the lineup"

 

Buster Olney is reporting Manny has waived his no-trade clause.

[BoSox21]

good, get his ass out of town ASAP