Manny Ramirez Trade Deadline Thread (renamed)

[Beckett95]

From a Marlins message board' date=' the rumor is expanded to 9 players:[/quote']

 

F NO to that trade NO WAY IN HELL do i make that deal.

 

Lowries better than Wilson as it is and Correa isnt a great prospect at all.

 

So its pretty much Manny and Lowrie for Bay and Jack Wilson. Theo should be massacred if this deal really happens

[example1]

Jason Bay to the Sox in a three way deal?

 

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/07/manny_in_threeway_deal_that_in.html

 

Under this scenario, Ramirez would go to the Marlins, while Jeremy Hermida would go to the Pirates, and Jason Bay would go to the Red Sox

 

That's much more what I'm talking about. Let Manny go, throw in a prospect or two to make the deal work, sign Bay to a multi-year deal next year. :dunno:

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Jack Wilson? GTFO

[example1]

From a Marlins message board' date=' the rumor is expanded to 9 players:[/quote']

 

What does Jack Wilson offer this team?

 

Does anyone know how Bay is in the field?

[Beckett95]

Take out Wilson and Lowrie in that deal, and then maybe its not so bad. Im not a big Jason Bay fan. Im still worried about his horrendus numbers that he put up last year.

 

Im pretty sure Bay is above average in the field, but not positive. He has better range than Manny

[example1]

Take out Wilson and Lowrie in that deal, and then maybe its not so bad. Im not a big Jason Bay fan. Im still worried about his horrendus numbers that he put up last year.

 

Im pretty sure Bay is above average in the field, but not positive. He has better range than Manny

 

Bay is an adequate replacement for Manny. An outfield of Bay, Ellsbury and Drew would be pretty solid, he is RH so that helps.

 

Just for shits and giggles so I can see it on "paper":

 

Pedroia

Youkilis

Bay

Ortiz

Lowell

Drew

Varitek

Lowrie

Ellsbury

 

Does that lineup make sense? Protect Bay with Ortiz, or keep Ortiz at 3? Again, s***ing and giggling at the same time.

[Beckett95]

from Jayson Stark

 

Officials from teams around the sport are beginning to hear details about the structure of the Manny Ramirez deal. According to one of them, the three players the Red Sox are seeking from the Marlins for Ramirez are Jeremy Hermida, pitcher Ryan Tucker and big-time outfield prospect Mike Stanton. However, the two sides also have discussed substituting Josh Willingham for Hermida.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

i wish this would happen already i cant go on much longer just waiting. But honestly i dont want manny traded but damnit if something is going to happen happen now please lol

[example1]

i wish this would happen already i cant go on much longer just waiting. But honestly i dont want manny traded but damnit if something is going to happen happen now please lol

 

The Red Sox don't 'deserve' a player like Manny though, remember? He deserves 20m a year, but they don't deserve him. f*** him. Get Bay and a prospect if you can and be done with him.

[a700hitter]

Will he stop acting out and will all of this die down if the trading deadline passes and he is stiill with the Red Sox? A few years ago, he was saying that they got to get me out of here and then the dealine passed and he Pinch Hit and everything calmed down.

[Beckett95]

"The Red Sox don't deserve a player like me," Ramirez said. "During my years here I've seen how they [the Red Sox] have mistreated other great players when they didn't want them to try to turn the fans against them.

 

"The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don't deserve me. I'm not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don't have peace here."

 

if we dont get rid of Manny by tommorow, he's gonna end up asking to be put on the DL with a knee injury

[Beckett95]

from Will Carroll

I’m hearing that a multi-team deal involving Jason Bay and the Florida Marlins is in the “final stages.” This could involve the previously in-place dealings involving Manny Ramirez as reported by our own John Perrotto. Joe Frisaro of MLB.com thinks that Bay could end up in Boston, Jeremy Hermida in Pittsburgh, and prospects flying every which way. My sources agree, though I will update as details become clearer.

[example1]

Manny is a boyfriend who knows he is going to get dumped and is trying to tell people that he's the better person for it. He's got every defensive mechanism working for him right now and, frankly, I find it kind of sad and pathetic if the Manny era ends this way.

 

To say that he's seen other players like Nomar and Pedro disrespected for not being resigned, who then went on to suck balls, shows me he is just doing everything he can to hurt the FO's feelings (probably to little effect) and to make the fans turn against Manny.

 

Look Manny, I'll say it again, you make $40,000 per AT BAT. You bitch and moan like someone who has never had to work hard a day in your life. You jog to 1st, getting nearly $450 per FOOT traveled. I loved you for years but go F yourself buddy.

 

Manny will enter the HOF with a big "C" on his hat, no doubt.

[BoSox34]

Wow, this is more serious than I realized. I'd personally rather go with the Marlins' prospects than Bay.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I don't like what he said, but I agree to en extent. Boston never really treated players with respect on their way out.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'd rather have Jeremy Hermida than Jason Bay. If Colorado wants to get in on a 3 team deal including Matt Holliday then I'll be real happy.

[example1]

Players like Nomar, who pouted on the bench while the team played extra-inning games against the Yankees down the stretch?

 

These players will not feel respected unless they're given the money they are demanding.

[example1]

I'd rather have Jeremy Hermida than Jason Bay. If Colorado wants to get in on a 3 team deal including Matt Holliday then I'll be real happy.

 

I like Bay's OBP and OPS better than Hermida. Isn't Hermida injured regularly too?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

By Buster Olney

 

Wednesday, July 30, 2008

 

As the Red Sox, Marlins and Pirates discuss a possible three-way deal for Manny Ramirez, the sides are also discussing lefty reliever John Grabow moving from Pittsburgh to the Red Sox. The current sticking point, according to a well-placed source, is that the Marlins want the Red Sox to add a prospect to their take in the deal.

 

 

finally a reliever might be involed. we need one.

[schillingouttheks]

The Marlins want the Red Sox to add a prospect on top of Manny? f*** that s***.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Marlins want the Red Sox to add a prospect on top of Manny? f*** that s***.

 

Depends who it is...if they are getting Mike Stanton and Ryan Tucker and losing a low level prospect...who cares?

[jacksonianmarch]

Dealing Hermida and 2 of their top 5 prospects for a 2 month rental is a steep price, no matter who that player is. That being said, if they get Grabow and Hermida, they will take a serious hit to the offense, but the pen may be stabilized. It might be a better deal than anyone could have imagined. I am just unsure how good Grabow is gonna be as a setup man. He gives up his fair share of taters and righties seem to hit him pretty well for a setup man.

[das11209]

Depends who it is...if they are getting Mike Stanton and Ryan Tucker and losing a low level prospect...who cares?

 

Throw in Hansen with Manny.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Manny for Bay? f*** off.

[schillingouttheks]

Depends who it is...if they are getting Mike Stanton and Ryan Tucker and losing a low level prospect...who cares?

 

Manny Ramirez himself is enough. We're talking about one of the best RHH baseball has seen in quite some time.

 

Then again, I'm just so f***ing irritated with so many aspects of this team right now that my judgment is pretty clouded as it is.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Mike Stanton's MLE for his 2008 MiLB stats, per BP, extended to 600 AB:

 

.230/.294/.466, 36 HR, 85 RBI

 

Peak value, again based upon 600 AB:

 

.298/.397/.623, 49 HR, 114 RBI

 

BP translations are pretty conservative...that's really impressive.

 

I'd consider Manny for Mike Stanton, straight up. YMMV

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Manny Ramirez himself is enough. We're talking about one of the best RHH baseball has seen in quite some time.

 

Be that as it may he is 36 years old and a pain in the ass. Not to mention any team will have him for 2 months before he signs with the Yankees to be a DH.

[jacksonianmarch]

Manny for Bay? f*** off.

 

If the sox somehow dealt away Manny and they got Bay without having to give up anything else, then the sox would be f***ing ecstatic.

[example1]

Manny for Bay? f*** off.

 

What does this even mean?

[jacksonianmarch]

Lots of moving parts but a foundation for a deal seems to be in place with Manny to the Marlins, Hermida to the Pirates and Bay to the Sox. Rumors have it that the sox may be in line to get Jack Wilson as well. If so, Lowrie is being discussed and another prospect as well, since Bay is cheaper, just as good and much younger than Manny