Manny Ramirez Trade Deadline Thread (renamed)

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

If the sox somehow dealt away Manny and they got Bay without having to give up anything else' date=' then the sox would be f***ing ecstatic.[/quote']

 

They shouldn't be.

 

What does this even mean?

 

It means bad trade.

[Beckett95]

right now it looks like

 

To BOS: Bay, Grabow

To FLA: Manny

To PIT: Hermida, Hunter Jones, prospect from FLA

 

with Jed Lowrie and Jack Wilson also being included possibly, hopefully not

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

right now it looks like

 

To BOS: Bay, Grabow

To FLA: Manny

To PIT: Hermida, Hunter Jones, prospect from FLA

 

with Jed Lowrie and Jack Wilson also being included possibly, hopefully not

We sub out Manny for Jason Bay, and trade away Jed Lowrie on top of that? WTF happened to this world? I really hope that's not true.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I can't imagine Jed Lowrie is added into the deal...especially for Jack Wilson

[yeszir]

We sub out Manny for Jason Bay' date=' and trade away Jed Lowrie on top of that? WTF happened to this world? Hopefully its not true.[/quote']

 

Have you seen Manny's poisoning the well interview before the game today? He said that the Red Sox don't deserve a player like Manny Ramirez. He's turned into a pompous prick, more so than usual, and the Red Sox stand to benefit from trading him for Bay.

 

Something needs to be done to kick them in their asses.

[Beckett95]

Some Pittsburg paper says this is the deal as of right now

 

To BOS: Bay, J Wilson

To FLA: Manny, Grabow

To PIT: Hermida, Lowrie, Hunter Jones, Ryan Tucker

 

the Bucs and marlins win that trade and the Sox get s*** on, im all for dealing Manny, but dont include Lowrie in the deal

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Have you seen Manny's poisoning the well interview before the game today? He said that the Red Sox don't deserve a player like Manny Ramirez. He's turned into a pompous prick' date=' more so than usual, and the Red Sox stand to benefit from trading him for Bay.[/quote']

 

I didn't see any interviews but I read about what he said. Yes he is a pompous prick right now, but he produces. If Manny ends up staying past the deadline, it'll be just like 2005 when he wasn't traded, then late in the game against Minny he got a clutch pinch-hit, everything was fine, and he had an incredible finish to the year. There's nothing to gain by trading him for Bay.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Bay's batting line vs. AL, 2008: .302/.345/.547

 

Bay's batting line vs. AL, career: .250/.312/.450

[yeszir]

I didn't see any interviews but I read about what he said. Yes he is a pompous prick right now' date=' but he produces. If Manny ends up staying past the deadline, it'll be just like 2005 when he wasn't traded, then late in the game against Minny he got a clutch pinch-hit, everything was fine, and he had an incredible finish to the year. There's nothing to gain by trading him for Bay.[/quote']

 

And the Red Sox finished second and were swept by the White Sox in the first round

[Jayhawk Bill]

Some Pittsburg paper says this is the deal as of right now

 

To BOS: Bay, J Wilson

To FLA: Manny, Grabow

To PIT: Hermida, Lowrie, Hunter Jones, Ryan Tucker

 

the Bucs and marlins win that trade and the Sox get s*** on, im all for dealing Manny, but dont include Lowrie in the deal

 

"Some Pittsburg paper" is the Beaver County Times, and it's John Perotto writing. He's a credible sportswriter.

 

I wouldn't make that trade. :thumbdown

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

And the Red Sox finished second and were swept by the White Sox in the first round

 

At no fault of Manny's. We have a far better team this year than that year if we keep things relatively intact.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Will Carroll says a deal has been agreed to between the Red Sox, Marlins, and Pirates but no details officially

[yeszir]

Will Carroll says a deal has been agreed to between the Red Sox' date=' Marlins, and Pirates but no details officially[/quote']

 

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Beckett95]

Will Carroll says a deal has been agreed to between the Red Sox' date=' Marlins, and Pirates but no details officially[/quote']

 

Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)

Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)

Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

 

Im guessing Hunter Jones is the one going to PIT and no idea who is going to FLA

[BigPapiEnFuego]

THose prospects better not be great ones we give up.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I agree especially since it's coming from Will Carroll...but at this point I'm thinking Aubrey Huff and Mike Cameron are coming to Boston

[BigPapiEnFuego]

By Peter Gammons

 

Wednesday, July 30, 2008

 

The Manny Ramirez trade conversations are expected to continue into Thursday, according to a source. Because it's a very complicated deal, involving a player who has the right to veto the trade and other parts, it is still unlikely to happen. But the negotiations will go on.

 

 

Ok, What?

[Beckett95]

who knows, yesterday at about 3:30, most of these "insiders" said that the Angels had dropped out of the Teixera bidding and he was going to go to Arizona

[BoSox21]

get this prick the f*** out of town as soon as possible

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

get this prick the f*** out of town as soon as possible

for just anything?

[BoSox21]

for just anything?

 

at this point, yes. considering the lack of respect he's shown the team I love this season, it makes me sick to my stomach to continue to see him in the uniform

[Beckett95]

for just anything?

 

i hate to say it, but its probably the best thing for everyone involved. Hes a cancer, just like Nomar was in '04, he needs to go. and especially after everything hes said, ya he needs to go for anything

 

and jason bay isnt just "anything"

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I'll have to strongly disagree with both of you. I'm of the opinion that production overrides everything, and that Manny is just going through of his trademarked goofy stretches. Either hang on to him, or trade him for a superstar-in-the-making. Jason Bay is a downgrade IMO, and we can't afford to downgrade when the Yankees have already made three moves for the better and the Rays aren't going anywhere.

[yeszir]

I'm torn between trading him and picking up both years of his options just to spite the guy.

[Beckett95]

theres a very good chance that if we keep Manny, hes gonna be on the DL in a couple weeks with a knee injury, so id rather have Bay in the lineup then Crisp for that time.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I'm torn between trading him and picking up both years of his options just to spite the guy.

 

Nah, its not worth it to spite him. Just keep him, don't pick up the option, and enjoy the draft picks.

[Beckett95]

I'll have to strongly disagree with both of you. I'm of the opinion that production overrides everything' date=' and that Manny is just going through of his trademarked goofy stretches. Either hang on to him, or trade him for a superstar-in-the-making. Jason Bay is a downgrade IMO, and we can't afford to downgrade when the Yankees have already made three moves for the better and the Rays aren't going anywhere.[/quote']

 

C-H-E-M-I-S-T-R-Y

 

When the Sox traded Nomar for O Cabrera, who was having the more productive season? And Nomar was coming off on one of his most productive seasons in '03, and there wasnt much show of him declining rapidly

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

C-H-E-M-I-S-T-R-Y

 

When the Sox traded Nomar for O Cabrera, who was having the more productive season? And Nomar was coming off on one of his most productive seasons in '03, and there wasnt much show of him declining rapidly

Wasn't Nomar injured almost the whole year up to that point?

[a700hitter]

Wasn't Nomar injured almost the whole year up to that point?

He was injured and he didn't have 20 HRs and almost 70 RBI at the deadline.

[BoSox21]

in the past few days, he's said he's both sick of them and that they don't deserve a player like him. how the hell do you keep a guy on the roster who's shown your team such disrespect?