Manny Ramirez Trade Deadline Thread (renamed)

[BoSox21]

He's not only made an incredible impact on the Dodgers, getting MVP consideration after only 50 games, but consider what Manny Ramirez has meant to the kids at Mattel Children's Hospital at UCLA.

 

When he arrived, he agreed to pledge so much money for home runs, RBIs and hits, asking the Dodgers to take the money out of his paychecks -- more than $36,000 already going to the kids at the cancer ward.

 

That makes more than $70,000 for Mattel's with Steve Soboroff agreeing earlier to match Ramirez's donation.

 

"Thanks to Manny," Soboroff e-mailed, "I had to take a night job."

 

Ramirez met with a group of kids from Mattel's a few days ago and received a painting by Ashanti, one of the youngsters who has been contending with cancer.

 

It now hangs prominently in his locker.

 

LATimes.com

 

Nice to see the cockbag pretending he cares about doing charity work now that he's set to become a free agent.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Yeah, Manny is quite transparent. He is the best pure-hitter I have seen in my lifetime and I really do miss his bat in the Sox lineup....but I am looking forward to upcoming years without Manny's belly-aching.

[kreinbihl34]

Nice to see the cockbag pretending he cares about doing charity work now that he's set to become a free agent.

 

GFY over that. Idc if he is pretending. He's doing the work and it's for kids. Just shut up about it and smile.

[BoSox21]

GFY over that. Idc if he is pretending. He's doing the work and it's for kids. Just shut up about it and smile.

 

oh yea? where was all that goodwill when it wasnt contract time? how come he was one of two guys who werent able to visit wounded troops at Walter Reed? dont be so f***ing naive

[BigPapiEnFuego]

GFY over that. Idc if he is pretending. He's doing the work and it's for kids. Just shut up about it and smile.

 

Yeah seriously. He doesn't play here anymore, that's what you people wanted, move on.

[TheKilo]

No defense of not seeing wounded troops?

 

Stay blind with your Manny bias...

[kreinbihl34]

No defense of not seeing wounded troops?

 

Stay blind with your Manny bias...

 

Ok have many of us?

Maybe he was an ******* then ok rip him for that. Don't rip him when he's doing something positive.

 

Edit: Seriously he's gone. Move on and get over hating him. It's done and over, we got what we needed from him.

[BoSox21]

Yeah seriously. He doesn't play here anymore' date=' that's what you people wanted, move on.[/quote']

 

yea, he doesnt play here but Manny in Boston was:

 

- not running out grounders

- faking injuries to not play

- ditching Walter Reed

- wants to be traded every off season

 

Manny in LA is:

 

- stealing bases (what tendonitis?)

- turning down days off cause hes a "gamer"

- pretending he cares about charity work

- wants to finish his career in LA

 

Boston bent over backwards giving him a massive contract plus two options years just so he could tell his buddies he's the second $200 million man in baseball history and then does everything possible to s*** on the organization while he's here

 

f*** him now that hes putting on the "professional" act so he can get his $100 million/4 year deal and you know some GM will fall for it

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm not just saying this, but I've really kind of forgotten about Manny. Look forward to watching him play in the playoffs though.

[TheKilo]

Ok have many of us?

Maybe he was an ******* then ok rip him for that. Don't rip him when he's doing something positive.

 

Edit: Seriously he's gone. Move on and get over hating him. It's done and over, we got what we needed from him.

 

The entire team, except for two individuals, went to see them. Manny was one of them. Add in all of his other transgressions...well, there you go.

 

I loved Manny as a hitter. He was a fun guy to watch hit.

 

Everything else, not so much.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

yea' date=' he doesnt play here but Manny in Boston [b']was[/b]:

 

- not running out grounders

- faking injuries to not play

- ditching Walter Reed

- wants to be traded every off season

 

 

WAS.

 

Exactly. Was. I had an issue with that when he was here, but he's gone now, so why should i sit and bitch about it? I'm still a fan of his, but i'm not a fan of the f***ed up s*** he did, but I moved passed it. I'm not gonna sit here and dwell about how he didn't run out ground balls or visit a bunch of veterns. Jesus Christ if I gave that much of a f*** I would end up shooting my head off.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Also, who is the other guy who didn't go to walter reed, and why isin't he being run out of town?

[TheKilo]

No one is taking it that seriously, I'm almost positive.

 

It's an honest question and sparks some lively discussion.

 

Also' date=' who is the other guy who didn't go to walter reed, and why isin't he being run out of town?[/quote']

 

Because Manny was an ******* in addition to not going.

[Gom]

Here's a question. Who exactly is going to lineup to throw $100 million for 4 years at this guy?

 

Not the Red Sox.

Not the Mets [money better spent on a closer].

Not the Yankees [need pitching and 1B, not another OF].

Not the Angels [they'd rather keep Tex],

 

Who does that really leave?

Cubs? Doubt it.

Giants? Doubt it.

Dodgers? Doubt it [although most likely to deal with him, but nowhere close to the dollars he's asking].

 

I can't really see where he would go. First of all, what team needs a power-hitting OF who will be 42 at the age of the contract ending making 25 million a year? That's a very, very short list. May not be one.

 

I think that Boras really overplayed his hand here.

[a700hitter]

Here's a question. Who exactly is going to lineup to throw $100 million for 4 years at this guy?

 

Not the Red Sox.

Not the Mets [money better spent on a closer].

Not the Yankees [need pitching and 1B, not another OF].

Not the Angels [they'd rather keep Tex],

 

Who does that really leave?

Cubs? Doubt it.

Giants? Doubt it.

Dodgers? Doubt it [although most likely to deal with him, but nowhere close to the dollars he's asking].

 

I can't really see where he would go. First of all, what team needs a power-hitting OF who will be 42 at the age of the contract ending making 25 million a year? That's a very, very short list. May not be one.

 

I think that Boras really overplayed his hand here.

...and Manny may have overplayed his hand as well. There is the "crazy factor." Teams will be very reluctant to invest $100 million in crazy. If he played hard in Boston this season without the drama and had put up the #'s that he is putting up, the $20 millon option would have been picked up and the same goes for the 2010 season. After that, he certainly would've found some team to give him 2yr/20million. Frankly, I do not think he will get anything approaching a 4yr/$60m guaranteed contract. It ain't gonna happen.

[BoSox21]

Also' date=' who is the other guy who didn't go to walter reed, and why isin't he being run out of town?[/quote']

 

Julian Tavarez. no one would cared if he showed up and he wasn't around long this season anyway. Manny is a guy the troops genuinely would've loved to have met

[Paradisecity]

If I am Boras I shop Manny for 1 year at 30 in a win win- He'll play hard and the team will get production that likely warrants the pay (especially if its in the NL), and he'll be a year removed from the "he turns it on when he has to" dilemma.

[TheKilo]

Rotoworld:

 

Manny wants to take final game off to rest

Rotoworld.com - USA

Manny Ramirez said he wants only one game off before the start of the postseason. Ramirez hasn't missed a game since he joined the Dodgers, ...

[rician blast]

...and Manny may have overplayed his hand as well. There is the "crazy factor." Teams will be very reluctant to invest $100 million in crazy. If he played hard in Boston this season without the drama and had put up the #'s that he is putting up' date=' the $20 millon option would have been picked up and the same goes for the 2010 season. After that, he certainly would've found some team to give him 2yr/20million. Frankly, I do not think he will get anything approaching a 4yr/$60m guaranteed contract. It ain't gonna happen.[/quote']

 

I had questioned why Manny didn't play "good citizen" here in Boston while hitting the way he is now, thereby increasing his free agent value. The reason is that that approach could easily have backfired.

 

Example: Let's say Manny went on a tear here in Boston, ending up with a season something like .320/38 Hrs/125 RBIs. The Sox very well might have exercised the option on him. Then suppose that he gets hurt in 2009 and has a horrible year..his value plummets, the Sox do not pick up the 2010 option. So he gets one year, $20m, then something much less, reflecting his decreased market value. Once that new deal is signed, he can become as lackadaisical, goofy, malcontented, selfish ,etc. as he wants and most importantly know that he gets paid whether he gets hurt, his skills diminish, etc.

 

The best scenario for Manny now is clearly to become a FA, even if he doesn't approach the $$ that Boras is supposed to be seeking for him. If someone is willing to pay even $15 million per year for 4 years, that's still $60m vs. the potential 1 year, $20m option exercised by the Sox with the potential for injury, a fall off in performance or what have you.

 

I don't think that Manny or Boras overplayed their hand at all. I believe that getting the Sox to move Manny and having the team option dropped due to the trade was a very savvy move.

[a700hitter]

I had questioned why Manny didn't play "good citizen" here in Boston while hitting the way he is now, thereby increasing his free agent value. The reason is that that approach could easily have backfired.

 

Example: Let's say Manny went on a tear here in Boston, ending up with a season something like .320/38 Hrs/125 RBIs. The Sox very well might have exercised the option on him. Then suppose that he gets hurt in 2009 and has a horrible year..his value plummets, the Sox do not pick up the 2010 option. So he gets one year, $20m, then something much less, reflecting his decreased market value. Once that new deal is signed, he can become as lackadaisical, goofy, malcontented, selfish ,etc. as he wants and most importantly know that he gets paid whether he gets hurt, his skills diminish, etc.

 

The best scenario for Manny now is clearly to become a FA, even if he doesn't approach the $$ that Boras is supposed to be seeking for him. If someone is willing to pay even $15 million per year for 4 years, that's still $60m vs. the potential 1 year, $20m option exercised by the Sox with the potential for injury, a fall off in performance or what have you.

 

I don't think that Manny or Boras overplayed their hand at all. I believe that getting the Sox to move Manny and having the team option dropped due to the trade was a very savvy move.

Yes, he would heave had to stay away from serious injury for two years, but if he did, IMO he would have earned more money. He has never had serious chronic injury problems, e.g. bad back, knees etc. Now, he has earned himself the reputation as not just crazy, wacky, Manny being Manny, but also as a malcontent with a violent streak. Teams will back away from this type of craziness and unpredictability. IMO, he will not get a 4yr/$60 million deal, never mind a $100 m deal. Not at his age.

[Mr Crunchy]

Y'all dont see the behind the scenes hatchet job this front office has done to him since they arrived here?

I reiterate.

their 1st act of business as owners was to waive him.

they didnt extend him after winning the world series last year.

never,not once in his career did i hear him clamoring for a trade, i read about it,i heard about it on the radio but the only words that came out of his lips over the last 8 years were ""I WANT TO RETIRE HERE""or I WANT MY # ON THAT WALL....then june and july came and John Henry was called out by Manny saying he was promised contract negotiations in good faith and they never came to be..

Henry called him a liar and it was game on...

Then and only then did Manny for the 1st time come out on the record and demanded a trade.

If anyone has Manny saying he wanted a trade before this year I'll be shocked because all I have read is innuendo,******** and the ****s like Buckley Callahan and others.

In closing

I can put up with fighting Youkilis but if you look back at my posts when he put his hands on the clubhouse guy I predicted that wouldnt be the end of it,we hadnt heard the last of it and ultimatley that was the end of his career in Boston.

We did a good job down the stretch and Jason Bay has played well in this difficult setting but Manny was something special and we will be hard pressed to ever get a hitter like him in Boston ever again.

 

Thats all I will ever say about this again on this board.

[rician blast]

on...

Then and only then did Manny for the 1st time come out on the record and demanded a trade.

 

I'm of the opinion that the demand you refer to above has a lot to do with not wanting the option picked up so that he could get a longer term, guaranteed contract at substantial value vi afree agency NOW, while he is still healthy and producing, rather than later when his value may have diminished.

 

I think it's a shrewd move on his part. Even if Manny signed a 4 yr $48 m deal this offseason it's still $48m gauranteed vs. the $20m option and a potential decrease in his market value...plus, if you're right, it gets Manny out from under these pricks who malign him...it's an absolute win for Manny.

[chacha]

Y'all dont see the behind the scenes hatchet job this front office has done to him since they arrived here?

I reiterate.

their 1st act of business as owners was to waive him.

they didnt extend him after winning the world series last year.never,not once in his career did i hear him clamoring for a trade, i read about it,i heard about it on the radio but the only words that came out of his lips over the last 8 years were ""I WANT TO RETIRE HERE""or I WANT MY # ON THAT WALL....then june and july came and John Henry was called out by Manny saying he was promised contract negotiations in good faith and they never came to be..

Henry called him a liar and it was game on...

Then and only then did Manny for the 1st time come out on the record and demanded a trade.

If anyone has Manny saying he wanted a trade before this year I'll be shocked because all I have read is innuendo,******** and the ****s like Buckley Callahan and others.In closing

I can put up with fighting Youkilis but if you look back at my posts when he put his hands on the clubhouse guy I predicted that wouldnt be the end of it,we hadnt heard the last of it and ultimatley that was the end of his career in Boston.

We did a good job down the stretch and Jason Bay has played well in this difficult setting but Manny was something special and we will be hard pressed to ever get a hitter like him in Boston ever again.

Thats all I will ever say about this again on this board.

 

Amen.

Right on again SPH.

[redsoxrules]

Manny will get his 4/100 . if not it will be pretty damn close . look at his numbers this year

 

330BA/428OBP/602SLG/1031OPS

37HR 121RBI's

 

MVP type numbers . If it wasent for Pujols ,Manny would be the NL MVP

[rician blast]

I never really know what to believe or not when it comes to the behind the scenes in sports. For instance, from various sources:

 

August, 2003 - Manny expressed in an ESPN interview that he would like to play for the New York Yankees.

 

July 2005 Reports were...that Ramirez had asked to be traded, and Red Sox president/CEO Larry Lucchino confirmed it at the time, citing that the left fielder was disenchanted with the lack of privacy that comes with playing in Boston.

 

Oct 2005 - According to Saturday's Boston Globe, Gene Mato, a representative of Ramirez, communicated the request to Red Sox owner John W. Henry that Manny be traded.

 

Misrepresentations? FO attempts to make Manny look bad? Or accurate journalism?

 

At any rate, Manny was not moved until such a time that he had to be moved (and apparently wanted to be moved) and for that I am pretty grateful, since it meant seeing him hit on a regular basis for an extended period of time.

[ORS]

In the book Feeding the Monster, Manny's first request to be traded came during his initial meeting with new owner John Henry when he arrived for spring training in February 2002. From that start, it was an annual event.

 

Did Mnookin get a direct quote from Ramirez for that? No, so I suppose it doesn't pass the "Did Manny say it?" standard. Mnookin's quote there was directly from Henry. I've never met the man, but he doesn't seem the type to engage in fabrications to make himself look good. Based on what I've read about the FO types, I'd put character assassination in Lucchino's bag of tricks.

[TheKilo]

Manny will get his 4/100 . if not it will be pretty damn close . look at his numbers this year

 

330BA/428OBP/602SLG/1031OPS

37HR 121RBI's

 

MVP type numbers . If it wasent for Pujols ,Manny would be the NL MVP

 

Ryan Howard or Chase Utley.

[TheKilo]

Y'all dont see the behind the scenes hatchet job this front office has done to him since they arrived here?

I reiterate.

their 1st act of business as owners was to waive him.

 

True - after he asked to be traded, and once no one claimed him off waivers it proved to Manny he was unmovable at that point.

 

they didnt extend him after winning the world series last year.

 

Why bother? He was theirs for another two years if they wanted.

 

You also said the Sox should re-sign Schilling before he proved he could stay healthy. How'd that work out?

 

never,not once in his career did i hear him clamoring for a trade, i read about it,i heard about it on the radio but the only words that came out of his lips over the last 8 years were ""I WANT TO RETIRE HERE""or I WANT MY # ON THAT WALL....then june and july came and John Henry was called out by Manny saying he was promised contract negotiations in good faith and they never came to be

 

See above posts, Manny has asked to be traded multiple times.

 

And there's two sides to every story, regarding Henry and Manny.

 

Henry called him a liar and it was game on...

Then and only then did Manny for the 1st time come out on the record and demanded a trade.

If anyone has Manny saying he wanted a trade before this year I'll be shocked because all I have read is innuendo,******** and the ****s like Buckley Callahan and others.

In closing

I can put up with fighting Youkilis but if you look back at my posts when he put his hands on the clubhouse guy I predicted that wouldnt be the end of it,we hadnt heard the last of it and ultimatley that was the end of his career in Boston.

We did a good job down the stretch and Jason Bay has played well in this difficult setting but Manny was something special and we will be hard pressed to ever get a hitter like him in Boston ever again.

 

Thats all I will ever say about this again on this board.

 

Pretty much spot on, except for the fact Manny has asked for trades multiple times.