...and whoever's playing the Yankees - 2008 Game Thread

[yankees228]

I can't believe that the umpire did not throw Molina out.

 

I agree especially considering he threw his catcher's mask. The only thing I can think of is that the umpire realized that he may have made a mistake.

[Bostonownsyou]

lol Yankees all over the Twins.... 2 behind us by 1 am. 1 In the loss.

[CrespoBlows]

lol Yankees all over the Twins.... 2 behind us by 1 am. 1 In the loss.

 

o no

[yankees228]

Didn't someone sign up during the middle of the season last year that was like the most pessimistic fan ever just like this one...?

[Bostonownsyou]

Didn't someone sign up during the middle of the season last year that was like the most pessimistic fan ever just like this one...?

 

Not pessimistic about the Redsox at Fenway. But facts are facts 21 and 32 or something retarded like that on the road with 12 of those losses comming after the 6th inning I have no choice but to assume more of the same.

[CrespoBlows]

Not pessimistic about the Redsox at Fenway. But facts are facts 21 and 32 or something retarded like that on the road with 12 of those losses comming after the 6th inning I have no choice but to assume more of the same.

 

If they get the bullpen together, they'll be fine.

 

Ron Mahay (trade), Justin Masterson, and Bartolo Colon should be great options out of the pen.

[das11209]

I have a feeling the twins wont be sorry that the Yankees are moving to new stadium - they suck in here for some reason.

[Cocos Disciples]

If they get the bullpen together, they'll be fine.

 

Ron Mahay (trade), Justin Masterson, and Bartolo Colon should be great options out of the pen.

 

The Sox haven't been reported as a front-runner for Mahay but I do like the idea. He's making 4 mil/year through '09. Also, when is the est. return for Colon?

[TheKilo]

Not pessimistic about the Redsox at Fenway. But facts are facts 21 and 32 or something retarded like that on the road with 12 of those losses comming after the 6th inning I have no choice but to assume more of the same.

 

lol ur dumb

[yankees228]

I have a feeling the twins wont be sorry that the Yankees are moving to new stadium - they suck in here for some reason.

 

It's all that aura and mystique...

[Gom]

I lost respect for you when you became a Joe Torre Athletic Supporter.

[yankees228]

I lost respect for you when you became a Joe Torre Athletic Supporter.

 

Because Joe Girardi has just been a genius...

[ARod2212]

Because Joe Girardi has just been a genius...

Take a look at the Yankees bullpen numbers right now.

[yankees228]

Take a look at the Yankees bullpen numbers right now.

 

Absolutely, and Girardi gets some of the credit there, but I give most of it to the players themselves.

 

The fact of the matter is that I only really put that in my sig because jacko blamed Joe Torre when it rained and it seemed like no one was sticking up for the guy that makes the playoffs every single year.

[ORS]

Take a look at the Yankees bullpen numbers right now.

What exactly does this tell you about Joe Girardi as a manager?

[rician blast]

lol ur dumb

 

 

Why is he dumb? Sox are 22-32 on the road at this point and I think what the poster is saying is that there is no reason, at this point, for him to assume they'll suddenly play better away from the Fens. I'd say it's a valid concern, although the Sox remaining schedule is favorable and I don't think the Sox are really a .407 W% team away from home either.

[schillingouttheks]

Why is he dumb? Sox are 22-32 on the road at this point and I think what the poster is saying is that there is no reason' date=' at this point, for him to assume they'll suddenly play better away from the Fens. I'd say it's a valid concern, although the Sox remaining schedule is favorable.[/quote']

 

I think it's just the continuous pessimism that is starting to get to people. By the way, he is actually a she, haha.

[rician blast]

He, she, it...couldn't give a rat's ass, really. The poster gave an opinion and tried to support it with the Sox away W-L record, and concluded that she was concerned. Sounds like a reasonable post.

 

I haven't investigated this person's other 50 posts, so I can't comment on the alleged chronic pessimism.

[Jayhawk Bill]

He, she, it...couldn't give a rat's ass, really. The poster gave an opinion and tried to support it with the Sox away W-L record, and concluded that she was concerned. Sounds like a reasonable post.

 

I haven't investigated this person's other 50 posts, so I can't comment on the alleged chronic pessimism.

 

She? You mean Robbie?

 

Haha thanks' date=' but [the girl in the avatar is'] my fiance i'm not exactly that cute.

 

I just reviewed all 50 of Robbie's posts. Allegations of negativity are well-supported.

 

It started at 6:10 PM July 19th:

 

Outclassed on the road. It's not even worth caring anymore

 

Since then, 21 negative posts and only a handful of upbeat stuff. :thumbdown

 

Brght side: it turned around, perhaps, last night.

[rician blast]

She? You mean Robbie?

 

 

 

I just reviewed all 50 of Robbie's posts. Allegations of negativity are well-supported.

 

It started at 6:10 PM July 19th:

 

 

 

Since then, 21 negative posts and only a handful of upbeat stuff. :thumbdown

 

Brght side: it turned around, perhaps, last night.

 

 

Hey, who told me this was a chick? I'm getting duped all over the place, and not just by giving the benefit of the doubt to Negative Nelly.

 

Someone get this fkn thread back on track, eh?

[Jayhawk Bill]

Hey, who told me this was a chick? I'm getting duped all over the place, and not just by giving the benefit of the doubt to Negative Nelly.

 

I think it's just the continuous pessimism that is starting to get to people. By the way' date=' he is actually a she, haha.[/quote']

 

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Someone get this GENTLY CARESSING thread back on track, eh?

 

Let's hope that Kevin Slowey is better from his infected finger nail. After allowing three runs or fewer in ten of his first twelve starts--after posting an 0.93 ERA from June 13-July 4--he allowed 11 runs in 9.2 IP in his two July starts. This is his first second-half appearance. Maybe he's healed...:dunno:

[yankees228]

Rasner against Slowely...lets hope the bats are out for the Yanks.

[yankees228]

What exactly does this tell you about Joe Girardi as a manager?

 

Well, to be fair, I do think that Joe Girardi puts his relief pitchers in better spots than Torre did, but I obviously can't prove that. However, as I stated before (and I'm sure this is what you're implying) this is because guys like Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras have simply pitched much better this year.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Well' date=' to be fair, I do think that Joe Girardi puts his relief pitchers in better spots than Torre did...[/quote']

 

I think that both Torre and Girardi are excellent managers. Torre never hesitated to pull his pitcher before a mistake became a catastrophe; Girardi never hesitates to ride a winner, even as pitch counts and frequency of use rise. Girardi is, perhaps, more apt to wear out his best pitchers, but one can't fault the way he plays to win.

 

...but I obviously can't prove that. However, as I stated before (and I'm sure this is what you're implying) this is because guys like Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras have simply pitched much better this year.

 

The improvement of remaining Yankees pitchers from 2007 to 2008 is actually one valid metric for the efficacy of Girardi's ability. The pitchers' ability to pitch effectively in 2009 is another such metric.

[Bostonownsyou]

lol ur dumb

 

22-32 away from home is very concerning. Dumb would be me saying the seasons over cause of it. Look noone can change my mind on the quote by Bill Parcells you are what you are nothing more or nothing less. 10 under .500 isn't very good TheKilo.

[Bostonownsyou]

Well' date=' to be fair, I do think that Joe Girardi puts his relief pitchers in better spots than Torre did, but I obviously can't prove that. However, as I stated before (and I'm sure this is what you're implying) this is because guys like Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras have simply pitched much better this year.[/quote']

 

In my opinon Joe Giardis is a very good manager. If you remember when the Mets won the division he made the young players watch the on field celebration he gets the most out of his guys. What has Joe Torre ever proven away from the Yankees? He rode Quantril Procter Stanton Weathers Ozzie Guillen style.

 

But I understand when you play in New York and Boston you don't get a full season before people judge you. Who the hell is Jose Veras Robertson dood and Kyle Farnsworth? Right now reliable mid relief/setup guys. Toree never got anything out of them.

[ORS]

Well' date=' to be fair, I do think that Joe Girardi puts his relief pitchers in better spots than Torre did, but I obviously can't prove that. However, as I stated before (and I'm sure this is what you're implying) this is because guys like Edwar Ramirez and Jose Veras have simply pitched much better this year.[/quote']

I don't see the connection. According to the analytical method in question, your first sentence is proved invalid as the Dodgers have a lower team ERA as a reliever. Similarly, Girardi's Marlins finished in the bottom 10 in reliever ERA, whereas, with many of the same faces, Gonzalez had them in the middle 10.

 

This isn't to say that I think Fredi Gonzalez is any better as a manager than Joe Girardi (although, he must have a hell of a D3 because I think the Marlins have a negative run differential). I just don't buy the notion that good stats in the BP are to be credited to the manager. Even without manager change, the variance from year to year for relievers (other than the elite) is striking. I can't start to award credit when manager change does occur when it's just as likely to be explained by random fluctuation in performance.

[Jayhawk Bill]

This isn't to say that I think Fredi Gonzalez is any better as a manager than Joe Girardi (although' date=' he must have a hell of a D3 because I think the Marlins have a negative run differential). [/quote']

 

 

Girardi: -1.7

Gonzalez: +6.3

[yankees228]

I don't see the connection. According to the analytical method in question, your first sentence is proved invalid as the Dodgers have a lower team ERA as a reliever. Similarly, Girardi's Marlins finished in the bottom 10 in reliever ERA, whereas, with many of the same faces, Gonzalez had them in the middle 10.

 

This isn't to say that I think Fredi Gonzalez is any better as a manager than Joe Girardi (although, he must have a hell of a D3 because I think the Marlins have a negative run differential). I just don't buy the notion that good stats in the BP are to be credited to the manager. Even without manager change, the variance from year to year for relievers (other than the elite) is striking. I can't start to award credit when manager change does occur when it's just as likely to be explained by random fluctuation in performance.

 

Let me preface this by saying that I agree with you. I stated that I really give the pitcher's credit and not the manager. All I'm saying, and I know this can't be proven, is that from the perspective of someone that has watched or listened to many of the Yankee games, I feel that Girardi simply utilizes his pitchers better than Torre did. Torre has clearly overused or underused a number of relief pitchers in recent years.

 

Again, what I'm saying about Girardi's bullpen usage cannot be proven, all it is is my observation.

[yankees228]

I think that both Torre and Girardi are excellent managers. Torre never hesitated to pull his pitcher before a mistake became a catastrophe; Girardi never hesitates to ride a winner, even as pitch counts and frequency of use rise. Girardi is, perhaps, more apt to wear out his best pitchers, but one can't fault the way he plays to win.

 

 

 

The improvement of remaining Yankees pitchers from 2007 to 2008 is actually one valid metric for the efficacy of Girardi's ability. The pitchers' ability to pitch effectively in 2009 is another such metric.

 

Agreed 100% with the first part. As for the second part I also agree somewhat although I tend to give the pitchers more credit for their successes than the manager.