...and whoever's playing the Yankees - 2008 Game Thread

[VA Sox Fan]

A-Rod just hit a GS 4-0 NYY

[Optimist]

Pavano leaves with a hip injury.....I AM SHOCKED.

[a700hitter]

Pavano leaves with a hip injury.....I AM SHOCKED.

I thought my son was joking when he said that Pavano left with an injury.

[Cocos Disciples]

Thank you very much, New York Yankees.

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Pavano says he expects to make his next start. Saw it on mlb.com

[Gom]

Jacko....I just Humberto Sanchez for the first time. Good velocity...decent breaking ball. Terrible mechanics.

 

This guy will breakdown more than a Yugo.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think they are too bad IMO. Reminds me a little of Veras, lots of moving parts. Hence why the kid is a reliever. Max effort windups are typically best in short bursts. After watching him, though, I do think his future remains in the pen.

[Gom]

I dont think they are too bad IMO. Reminds me a little of Veras' date=' lots of moving parts. Hence why the kid is a reliever. Max effort windups are typically best in short bursts. After watching him, though, I do think his future remains in the pen.[/quote']

 

Jacko, this isn't meant as an insult, but have you ever played baseball? I've played, coached, and umpired. I've been involved in it in my free time my whole life. The reason why I'm saying this is that if you can't see his mechanics are terrible, you may just not have played the game that much. I love listening to Orel Hershieser on ESPN because when he discusses pitching, I always pick something up. Same with Kruk and hitting. This may come off as condescending, but it's not my intent. Listen to what I'm saying, you may pick up something. You obviously aren't seeing what I'm seeing.

 

When Sanchez throws, it isn't the moving parts, or max effort that bother me. It's his head. Literally.

 

When a pitcher throws a pitch, if their head flys AWAY from the shoulder, it causes a great amount of torque that eventually will require rotator cuff surgery. When your head is "tucked in" to the shoulder that releases the ball, you decrease the torque on the shoulder joint. Watch Mariano pitch...never had shoulder injuries and he tucks his head in. This is sometimes seen as a pitcher throwing across his body. Watching a pitcher's head is the first thing I look at. Then I notice his stride, how he plants, and his hip/lower body torque. I look for these things in order, because any pitching coach will tell you that this is the order of importance.

 

If there are any kids who play ball here, take note. Keep your shoulder tucked in when you pitch, and you not only will have a greater stamina when you pitch, but you will recover faster. You will also decrease your chance for injury.

 

Today's broadcast [sanchez pitching was the first time I've watched any Yankee baseball since my boycott this year in August, my brother called me in to watch] and I was very disappointed. The Yankee announcer [Leiter] said it correctly. If you need TJ surgery at such a young age, your mechanics are likely BAD. You need to adjust your mechanics. Just what are they doing in the Yankees minor league system?

 

This is what I mean when I say "watch the game". I'm sorry to say that I didn't realize Miranda and Cervelli were in the game until I checked the boxscore. Then I could have analyzed them as well.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko' date=' this isn't meant as an insult, but have you ever played baseball? I've played, coached, and umpired. I've been involved in it in my free time my whole life. The reason why I'm saying this is that if you can't see his mechanics are terrible, you may just not have played the game that much. [/quote']

 

I played college baseball, both hitting and pitching, so I would venture to guess that I know a bit more about mechanics than you do seeing as I got to learn them from former professional athletes and you get to, well, enjoy watching the TV analysts break it down to a kindergarten level on the TV. A lot of people get caught up in the movement in a delivery. The arms and the legs and the rocking and the flailing etc. The basics that you need to look at are how direct to the plate the pitcher is, ie, where does he take his lead leg, then the arm angle, and then the finish. When you go from the stretch, things get simplified. While Humberto looks like he is all over the place, watch only the feet for a few pitches and see if he is going straight to the plate. If all the movement is clouding your judgement, then you are an amateur. Next, look at the arm angle. I didnt really get a good chance to review his arm angle, but any pitcher throwing from a 3/4 slot is gonna be injury prone from sheer physics. From what I remember of Humberto, he is a bit higher than 3/4. The thing Humberto did do prior to his surgery was throw across his body, which is another way to injure yourself. He actually wasnt as bad tonight as he was before. Hence, his mechanics arent THAT bad. IE they were worse prior to coming up. I also think that his windup wont be the worst predictor of his future health. It will be his weight. Right now, he's listed at 270, I have it on good authority that he is more 290-300. If he stays that big, his career will be very short.

[jacksonianmarch]

and the Leiter statement about young kids needing TJ is bunk. I think it has to do with more kids playing yr round. Back in the day, when you played in seasons, most future ball players were good basketball players and good football players, so their arms actually got a rest. Nowadays, kids in the northeast are in the cages throwing in the winter (I know I was) and kids in the south are playing 200-300 games in a season (Fall, Winter and then in season ball). And, we are seeing it diagnosed more. More people are aware of it, more families and doctors are willing to recommend it. Hell, to some people, they think that if they get it, they will pitch better. So Leiter's blanket statement holds no water.

 

And like I said above, Humberto had bad mechanics. They are better, not the best, not even good, but passable. Compared to where he was, he is much, much better. The adjustments were made.

[Gom]

Double Post. My bad.

[Gom]

Jacko, you just don't see the things I do. His shoulder is opening up wide. I don't care about his elbow, it's his shoulder that is going to fall apart. How do you not see this?

 

I also played ball in high school and college. I just didn't think you needed to know that. I've also umpired and coached. I also stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

 

Seriously, next time read what I write if you wish to respond.

When Sanchez throws, it isn't the moving parts, or max effort that bother me. It's his head. Literally.

This is what you said.

If all the movement is clouding your judgement, then you are an amateur.

[BoSox21]

the O's are in town tonight to kick off the final series ever at Yankee Stadium. man, did MLB ever blow this or what...

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the O's are in town tonight to kick off the final series ever at Yankee Stadium. man' date=' did MLB ever blow this or what...[/quote']

I don't think MLB blew anything, at least it's not the Rays, or the Angels or Blue Jays, or any expansion team from the past half-century for that matter. The Orioles are a historic rival with the Yankees,competing in the league and division together since the O's moved from St. Louis in '54. And even before thatthe Browns and Yankees had history together. And let's not forget that the Yankees first 2 years of existence was as the Baltimore Orioles from 1901 to 1902. I'm not saying this is why the O's are in, just that it's fitting. It would be fitting to have any of the original 8 AL franchises in to close out the Stadium, just so happens it's the O's (If there is any dispute, just remember that one of the charter teams were the Milwaukee Brewers in 1901, who moved to St. Louis in 1902 before moving to Baltimore in 1954) . No biggie. Would have been nice to see the Sox in town to close it out, as they helped open it. But no biggie. Either way, no matter who the opponent, it's going to be a special weekend in the Bronx. If only Gom were willing to unload his tickets for Sunday's game

[BoSox21]

yea, but it should be the Red Sox and it should be on the last day of the season. the only thing MLB got right was that it's happening on a weekend

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Yeah, I can't disagree with you too much. But hey, it's no biggie. Whatever.

[BoSox21]

No, but I have enough respect for the historical significance of the building to say that MLB should have treated the event with due respect

[a700hitter]

No' date=' but I have enough respect for the historical significance of the building to say that MLB should have treated the event with due respect[/quote']It's future rubble. You couldn't disrespect the building any more than by knocking it down.

[BoSox21]

It's future rubble. You couldn't disrespect the building any more than by knocking it down.

 

They took the old Montreal Forum here and turned it into an entertainment complex with a movie theater, sports bar, comedy club, pool hall, stores and restaurants. I would've rather they had torn it down.

[a700hitter]

They took the old Montreal Forum here and turned it into an entertainment complex with a movie theater' date=' sports bar, comedy club, pool hall, stores and restaurants. I would've rather they had torn it down.[/quote']It should have been given a respectful burial?

[BoSox21]

It should have been given a respectful burial?

 

I don't really know what they should've done with it but what they did do with it just doesn't seem right