Red Sox sign Ranger Suarez. 5 years $130 Million

[JoeBrady]

38 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

43 minutes ago, notin said:

What kind of praise did you expect for offering a player $35mill a year to play third base?

Some would have praised Brez had he signed Bregman to fill in the blank amount.

The same people that criticized Breslow for not signing Bregman, would have criticized Breslow for overpaying for Bregman.  We know this like it is etched in stone.

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

The same people that criticized Breslow for not signing Bregman, would have criticized Breslow for overpaying for Bregman.  We know this like it is etched in stone.

Did Brez fail, or not fail in landing what the Red Sox most wanted, and was their PLAN A? 

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Don’t forget Kimmi whom would have been with us. Just, because Brez failed his main mission doesn’t mean he’d be a bum. Kind of harsh aren’t you? Even for a 12th pick.

I think it's more than just you, Kimi and I who were not for going large and long on Breggie.

Kimmi might have preferred $165M for Breggie over $130M for Suarez. She's against almost all large and long deals.

Agreed, saying "bum" is rather harsh.

Can you answer whether you think Brez bungled the Breggie negotiations or did not?

If it's not, I feel you should have said so when you "repeated" what others said.  If you agree, then own up to it. (and you might be right- maybe he did bungle it.)

[moonslav59]

17 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

The same people that criticized Breslow for not signing Bregman, would have criticized Breslow for overpaying for Bregman.  We know this like it is etched in stone.

Now that is certainly true for some. I'm not sure about all the "same people."

I'm glad we got Suarez for $130M over Breggie for $170M & a no trade clause. The deferred money would have helped on the AAV tax line, but since the dollar amounts are not the same, maybe the tax hit would have been about even.

I wish Breggie was our 2026 3Bman. We'd be much better with him, but let's see what Brez does to fill the one major opening we still have, first.

[JoeBrady]

17 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Did Brez fail, or not fail in landing what the Red Sox most wanted, and was their PLAN A? 

We don't know and never will.  Breslow had a number, and the Cubs exceeded that.  It's like you're buying a house that you think is worth $400k, and the owner won't take less than $440k.  If you disagree with the $440k, that in no way implies that you failed.

[moonslav59]

36 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

We don't know and never will.  Breslow had a number, and the Cubs exceeded that.  It's like you're buying a house that you think is worth $400k, and the owner won't take less than $440k.  If you disagree with the $440k, that in no way implies that you failed.

But someone else paid $440K, so you failed!!!

LMAO!

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Did Brez fail, or not fail in landing what the Red Sox most wanted, and was their PLAN A? 

Nope.  Is that necessarily a bad thing? I mean, What if he was only Plan A because he was cheaper?

Just because it was Plan A didn’t mean it was the only possibly path to success.  The fact that they clearly had a Plan B tells you they didn’t think Bregman or bust…

[notin]

1 hour ago, JoeBrady said:

We don't know and never will.  Breslow had a number, and the Cubs exceeded that.  It's like you're buying a house that you think is worth $400k, and the owner won't take less than $440k.  If you disagree with the $440k, that in no way implies that you failed.

And next thing you know, your house is full of Cubs’ fans!

 

(See, that’s funny because my house is full of Cubs’ fans… )

[moonslav59]

44 minutes ago, notin said:

Nope.  Is that necessarily a bad thing? I mean, What if he was only Plan A because he was cheaper?

Just because it was Plan A didn’t mean it was the only possibly path to success.  The fact that they clearly had a Plan B tells you they didn’t think Bregman or bust…

Is it a "failure" to say our plan A is Bregman at nothing more than $150M, and he says no, and you get your plan B guy, instead?

[Old Red]

5 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

We don't know and never will.  Breslow had a number, and the Cubs exceeded that.  It's like you're buying a house that you think is worth $400k, and the owner won't take less than $440k.  If you disagree with the $440k, that in no way implies that you failed.

You guys are making it seem like money was the only reason that Bregman didn’t come back to Boston, and I’m certainly not saying money didn’t have anything to do with it, but after listening to AJP I think Brez’s negotiation tactic had something to do with it also. I know that would be hard to believe for some, but I think it more than a possibility.

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You guys are making it seem like money was the only reason that Bregman didn’t come back to Boston, and I’m certainly not saying money didn’t have anything to do with it, but after listening to AJP I think Brez’s negotiation tactic had something to do with it also. I know that would be hard to believe for some, but I think it more than a possibility.

It's not hard to believe. It's hard to know for a fact he botched it.

We've talked a lot about the no trade clause and deferments being factors that may or may not have been under Brez's control. We know it might not have been about the money. Maybe it was and the amount Brez offered was all he was allowed to offer.

We don't know. It's not about having a hard time thinking of the various possibilities.

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

It's not hard to believe. It's hard to know for a fact he botched it.

We've talked a lot about the no trade clause and deferments being factors that may or may not have been under Brez's control. We know it might not have been about the money. Maybe it was and the amount Brez offered was all he was allowed to offer.

We don't know. It's not about having a hard time thinking of the various possibilities.

I don’t believe it was the all he was allowed to offer angle since they offered Ranger more PDV after the fact. Money, no trade, and yes misreading the room, which led to his tactics all could have played a part.

 

[JoeBrady]

49 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I know that would be hard to believe for some, but I think it more than a possibility.

Anything is possible, and again, we will never know the details.  To me, I get the player or I don't.  I'm not overly concerned about who said what to nwhom.

[moonslav59]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I don’t believe it was the all he was allowed to offer angle since they offered Ranger more PDV after the fact. Money, no trade, and yes misreading the room, which led to his tactics all could have played a part.

 

We don't know, but you seem to.

Does misreading the room mean you think bungled or botched it?

You still have not answered if you believe "all accounts" or not.

[Old Red]

8 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

We don't know, but you seem to.

Does misreading the room mean you think bungled or botched it?

You still have not answered if you believe "all accounts" or not.

I’m going more on what AJP says who seems to have some insider knowledge, which is more than what you, or I have. He spells it out pretty well IMO. I also heard it discussed on MLB, ESPN, NESN, and other talk shows. Where does your info come from?

[Randy Red Sox]

On 1/23/2026 at 10:51 AM, moonslav59 said:

Neither did "The Ozzman."

wow this board has gone insane but I guess there is nothing else to talk about

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

17 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

wow this board has gone insane but I guess there is nothing else to talk about

Stop trying to distract from the missing quality infielder who can hit. 

[Old Red]

7 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Stop trying to distract from the missing quality infielder who can hit. 

You mean someone like Alonso, or Raffy, or to some degree Bregman?

[notin]

13 hours ago, Old Red said:

You guys are making it seem like money was the only reason that Bregman didn’t come back to Boston, and I’m certainly not saying money didn’t have anything to do with it, but after listening to AJP I think Brez’s negotiation tactic had something to do with it also. I know that would be hard to believe for some, but I think it more than a possibility.

If you’re going by what Pierzynski said, it was money.  
 

Pierzynski said Boston:

1) made an insufficient offer

2) didn’t counter when presented with the Cubs’ offer

3) did not include a no-trade clause.

 

Its on YouTube, and Pierzynski - who definitely knows more about free agency and negotiations than me, but that doesn’t make him an “insider” for this case - brings nothing we didn’t already know…

 

[notin]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

You mean someone like Alonso, or Raffy, or to some degree Bregman?

And if we signed one of those guys, fans would be bitching about the missing “#2 starter”.

Much easier to get an infielder at this point…

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

You mean someone like Alonso, or Raffy, or to some degree Bregman?

Yes, like we have avoided talking about them, lol!

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, like we have avoided talking about them, lol!

The issue is not that they haven’t been talked about, but that the Red Sox don’t have any of them.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

If you’re going by what Pierzynski said, it was money.  
 

Pierzynski said Boston:

1) made an insufficient offer

2) didn’t counter when presented with the Cubs’ offer

3) did not include a no-trade clause.

 

Its on YouTube, and Pierzynski - who definitely knows more about free agency and negotiations than me, but that doesn’t make him an “insider” for this case - brings nothing we didn’t already know…

The fact that no counter offer could be a result of their money offer was as high as they were ever going to go. That would not be "misreading the room."

If they were prepared to go higher and  bungled the talks, then it would be botchery- some might call it debauchery.

The no trade thing is probably an organizational thing, not specifically Brez, but if it is then he'd deserve some criticism for that, but again, does anyone know who made that rule?

I'm not sure we know or anyone knows. We may never know, for sure.

To me, this whole obsession to lay blame on one guy goes too far, and often it is done before all the facts are known.

[moonslav59]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The issue is not that they haven’t been talked about, but that the Red Sox don’t have any of them.

Yes, that is the bigger issue.

I was responding to comments made about us stooping to Ozzie talk,

[moonslav59]

We've been left holding nothing several times in recent years, so certainly we may end up with DHAM & Romy at 2B and an injury-prone Mayer at 3B, with just Eaton & Romy backing him up, but it would really make no sense.

We have a couple logjam areas that teams are desperate to fill on their teams. We can do this without adding a cent to the budget, so that need not be a deterrent. We could even find trade offers where we cut salary. This need not be about money.

Just get it done, Brez! I don't care when, just have a better 2Bman or 3Bman on the roster by ST'ing. I have to think he knows this and has some deals in the works. He may even have a few deals already agreed upon, but is trying for a better one. Hell, we may see two deals made.

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

The fact that no counter offer could be a result of their money offer was as high as they were ever going to go. That would not be "misreading the room."

If they were prepared to go higher and  bungled the talks, then it would be botchery- some might call it debauchery.

The no trade thing is probably an organizational thing, not specifically Brez, but if it is then he'd deserve some criticism for that, but again, does anyone know who made that rule?

I'm not sure we know or anyone knows. We may never know, for sure.

To me, this whole obsession to lay blame on one guy goes too far, and often it is done before all the facts are known.

The Red SOX made an initial offer, which was low that Bregman got a little mad at, and the Red SOX pretty much said it was take it, or leave it. Then the Red SOX were told that Bregman had a higher offer that the Red Sox didn’t believe. The Red Sox were not told what that offer was. Finally the Red Sox did make a final so called aggressive offer, which was to little to late, so a final offer was made, so there was NO FACT that a final offer was not made quite to the contrary. The final takeaway from all this was, and this is not my words,  but it was FAILED NEGOTIATION tactics by the Red Sox, and while the Red Sox were playing GO Fish other teams were playing hold em. Once again not my words. 👋

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The Red SOX made an initial offer, which was low that Bregman got a little mad at, and the Red SOX pretty much said it was take it, or leave it. Then the Red SOX were told that Bregman had a higher offer that the Red Sox didn’t believe. The Red Sox were not told what that offer was. Finally the Red Sox did make a final so called aggressive offer, which was to little to late, so a final offer was made, so there was NO FACT that a final offer was not made quite to the contrary. The final takeaway from all this was, and this is not my words,  but it was FAILED NEGOTIATION tactics by the Red Sox, and while the Red Sox were playing GO Fish other teams were playing hold em. Once again not my words. 👋

Why does "not my words" make this position factual and without any context and nuances that go into most negotiations?

You act like everything stated here is proven facts.

Again, I'm not arguing Brez did not botch this. He very well might have, and as a secondary issue, if he did, I'm glad he did. My point is we don't know. I don't and you don't. This other person's words might be 100% right. They might not be.

Why not cite the source?

You claim "by all accounts," but notin just provided a source with a differing "account" than yours. (He also named the source.)

It wouldn't surprise me if Brez goofed. The fact that I'm glad we didn't go higher for Breg would not change the fact that he bungled this, if in fact he did. We JUST DONT KNOW!

If you were to hear that the no trade clause was the only stumbling block and Brez had no choice but to say we could not give him that, would you say Brez botched it?

If the final dollar amount offered was as high as Brez was allowed to go, would that change your view?

Is this even your view or some other guys? You won't answer, despite two times being asked.

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Why does "not my words" make this position factual and without any context and nuances that go into most negotiations?

You act like everything stated here is proven facts.

Again, I'm not arguing Brez did not botch this. He very well might have, and as a secondary issue, if he did, I'm glad he did. My point is we don't know. I don't and you don't. This other person's words might be 100% right. They might not be.

Why not cite the source?

You claim "by all accounts," but notin just provided a source with a differing "account" than yours. (He also named the source.)

It wouldn't surprise me if Brez goofed. The fact that I'm glad we didn't go higher for Breg would not change the fact that he bungled this, if in fact he did. We JUST DONT KNOW!

If you were to hear that the no trade clause was the only stumbling block and Brez had no choice but to say we could not give him that, would you say Brez botched it?

If the final dollar amount offered was as high as Brez was allowed to go, would that change your view?

Is this even your view or some other guys? You won't answer, despite two times being asked.

Why do you keep saying by all accounts? There is a big difference between all accounts, and all accounts I heard. Notin didn’t provide a different source at all, but how you interpret that account can lead to different conclusions like saying failed negotiation tactics instead of just the money. The RED Sox playing Go Fish while other teams were playing hold em. That’s what other people are taking away from this. I’ve already said that money, and no trade played a part in this, but just like others I also say that Bregman, and his negotiating also played a role. Like I have mentioned more than one other venue have discussed this, and not one that I heard said it was all about money, and all those other venues have more knowledge than me, or you. #12 did not shine in this one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[JoeBrady]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Pierzynski said Boston:

1) made an insufficient offer

2) didn’t counter when presented with the Cubs’ offer

3) did not include a no-trade clause.

#3 is management's & owner's prerogative.  But #1 & #2 are basically the same thing.  We had a number, Bregman & the Cubs had a different number.  So the RS used the Bregman money to land Suarez.  That's what everyone in here has done at various points in their lives.

[JoeBrady]

44 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If the final dollar amount offered was as high as Brez was allowed to go,

I have no idea why this shouldn't be the default logic.  Everyone has to have a number, even the real wealthy teams weren't go to pay Tucker $100M a year.  Everyone in here has probably looked at a house or a car or a job, loved it, but decided the number was wrong.