8/03. Astros vs Sox. 11:35AM EST

[Bellhorn04]

39 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

No to Anthony. He is off limits. It is Breslow's JOB to get deals done and he didn't do it. According to what I read he didn't even try real hard. 

It's very possible the Twins were insisting on Anthony.  They didn't trade Ryan to anyone, so you can safely assume they were asking for a ton.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

11 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

This is confusing because I've only been talking about 2025.

The Password is on the 40, so he could still be brought up in case of an outfield injury. From all evals, including old eyeballs, he's at least a better defender than Yoshida.

And now Notin will reply, "So is my golden retriever" and I will counter, "Even my rescue border collie/hound mix that somebody in Arkansas said was half husky, just so dog peeps from Connecticut would adopt him, even though we all know there are no huskies down there. But he catch a lacrosse ball on a bounce."

[Bellhorn04]

53 minutes ago, notin said:

This is such a cookout answer.

If you don't do something about your Spell Check, something like "cookout answer" could become the new "chocked". 😄

[FredLynn]

7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

It's very possible the Twins were insisting on Anthony.  They didn't trade Ryan to anyone, so you can safely assume they were asking for a ton.

The only thing we know for sure is that Breslow didn't get the job done-the job he was hired to do. Thats the bottom line.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

That would suck, but consider this:

We trade Duran and Abreu gets hurt:

LF: Garcia (Yoshida/Refsnyder)

CF: Rafaela

RF: Anthony

Rafaela gets hurt:

LF: Anthony (Yoshida/Refsnyder)

CF: Garcia

RF: Abreu/Refsnyder

I know Jh Garcia is untested, but do you like the above more than this?

We don't trade Duran for Ryan and have this:

Crochet, Giolito, Bello, Sandoval, Harrison (Dobbins & Crawford start season on IL)

not this...

Crochet, Ryan, Giolito, Bello, Sandoval

If one gets hurt, our depth goes one more deep.

 

Ill take Duran.

[drewski6]

31 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

The only thing we know for sure is that Breslow didn't get the job done-the job he was hired to do. Thats the bottom line.

stone cold quote on summerslam weekend = points

[Bellhorn04]

39 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

The only thing we know for sure is that Breslow didn't get the job done-the job he was hired to do. Thats the bottom line.

Don't know that for sure at all.  Maybe he did exactly what Henry wanted.  Henry is the one who hired him - have you asked him what he wanted?

[notin]

57 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

If you don't do something about your Spell Check, something like "cookout answer" could become the new "chocked". 😄

Spell check doesn’t fix auto corrected substitution, which, as substitutions, are spelled correctly…

[notin]

56 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

The only thing we know for sure is that Breslow didn't get the job done-the job he was hired to do. Thats the bottom line.

There’s a big difference between Breslow’s job and your expectations from Breslow’s job.

I wasn’t thrilled with his deadline results, but I do have a better understanding of them.  Still don’t like Dustin May, however…

[notin]

1 hour ago, FredLynn said:

No to Anthony. He is off limits. It is Breslow's JOB to get deals done and he didn't do it. According to what I read he didn't even try real hard. 

Well then opinions are clearly divided on his efforts…

[Bellhorn04]

2 minutes ago, notin said:

Spell check doesn’t fix auto corrected substitution, which, as substitutions, are spelled correctly…

So what makes it think cookout answer is a correct substitution?

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, notin said:

There’s a big difference between Breslow’s job and your expectations from Breslow’s job.

I wasn’t thrilled with his deadline results, but I do have a better understanding of them.  Still don’t like Dustin May, however…

Breslows job is to improve the team. He failed to do so. If Henry forced his hand then he should have the integrity to resign.

[Bellhorn04]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Breslows job is to improve the team. He failed to do so. If Henry forced his hand then he should have the integrity to resign.

Breslow has to think about the future too.  You should know that as a guy who wanted to tank not very long ago.

[notin]

36 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

So what makes it think cookout answer is a correct substitution?

You would need to talk to the author of the software in question…

[notin]

38 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Breslows job is to improve the team. He failed to do so. If Henry forced his hand then he should have the integrity to resign.

So now he should quit because he’s didnt have autonomous control?  Does any CBO in the league have that? And how would his resignation help the Sox?

I don’t think this is a reasonable answer , but rather a last ditch grasp at dangling straws to justify your position.  Breslow, like most people, probably prefers to stay employed rather than quitting due to apparent control issues that would prevent him from getting hired anywhere else…

[FredLynn]

5 minutes ago, notin said:

So now he should quit because he’s didnt have autonomous control?  Does any CBO in the league have that? And how would his resignation help the Sox?

I don’t think this is a reasonable answer , but rather a last ditch grasp at dangling straws to justify your position.  Breslow, like most people, probably prefers to stay employed rather than quitting due to apparent control issues that would prevent him from getting hired anywhere else…

He was hired to improve the team and failed. If he won’t resign he should be fired. Instead of making a choice about being buyers or sellers he again chose to do nothing. Fans deserve better. He needs to go, one way or the other.

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

He was hired to improve the team and failed. 

Except the team has improved since he took over.  Moves like Crochet and Bregman improved the team significantly.

You're basically a reality denier.

[dgalehouse]

The Sox have not won the A L East since 2018. Now, they are poised to do just that. They are absolutely an improved team.  There should be no argument about that. 

[notin]

17 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

He was hired to improve the team and failed. If he won’t resign he should be fired. Instead of making a choice about being buyers or sellers he again chose to do nothing. Fans deserve better. He needs to go, one way or the other.

He absolutely improved the team.  Improvements need not only take place on July 31st.

And even then, he certainly improved the team in that date.  Just not to the degree you wanted…

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

This is confusing because I've only been talking about 2025.

Garcia is on the 40. This could have pertained to 2025, as well.

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Ill take Duran.

I would too, but to me the choice is

Duran vs Anthony

or 

Ryan vs May (or ZBuehler)

[Hitch]

21 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

I think Durans value goes way above what he does on the field. You can clearly tell he’s loved in the clubhouse and has taken a role as a leader. 

Agreed - I shared a girl's post from Facebook the other day where she laid out how much further he goes than other players with fans after the games, too.

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Except the team has improved since he took over.  Moves like Crochet and Bregman improved the team significantly.

You're basically a reality denier.

If the team won for example 78 games last year and 80 games this year he could be said to have improved the team. But I wouldn’t call that a success. 
You either go for it or your sellers. As Yoda says, “do or do not; there is no try”.

Breslow failed.

[Hitch]

1 hour ago, notin said:

He absolutely improved the team.  Improvements need not only take place on July 31st.

And even then, he certainly improved the team in that date.  Just not to the degree you wanted…

Yes, to argue he hasn't improved this team would be crazy.

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, notin said:

He absolutely improved the team.  Improvements need not only take place on July 31st.

And even then, he certainly improved the team in that date.  Just not to the degree you wanted…

Correct. Not to the degree I wanted. Not after years of last place or mediocre finishes.

[FredLynn]

2 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

The Sox have not won the A L East since 2018. Now, they are poised to do just that. They are absolutely an improved team.  There should be no argument about that. 

Let’s reassess whether he sufficiently improved the team after the regular season is over. He absolutely failed to significantly improve it at the trade deadline. The Flops have a history of failure as the summer moves on. If they manage to hold on to a playoff spot then I’ll agree he improved the team. If they manage to win the AL pennant then I’ll agree that he has sufficiently improved the team. 
As of right now the team and their incompetent GM have accomplished zilch.

[drewski6]

18 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I would too, but to me the choice is

Duran vs Anthony

or 

Ryan vs May (or ZBuehler)

Thats a false choice.  Trading Duran, the locker room goes to crap, you lose that spark.

We dont HAVE to play Masa

May wont be in our playoff rotation

It didnt have to be Ryan or May, my theory is that we were laser focused on Ryan and were left scrambling.  What about the dude on the pirates who wasnt even traded?

I wanna see Tolle!