Vaughn Grisson

[Sox 42]

When Mayer got hurt the Sox brought up Hamilton (who cant see the Mendoza without a telescope) but left Vaughn Grissom at AAA.  Grissom was hitting at 344 in July and has a future (although not as fast).   We have AAA teams with talented players because we know people in the BIGS get hurt and need to be replaced.  The AAA players need to know that if they do well they will be recognized.  The Sox threw a serious slap in the face to Vaughn by promoting a lesser player.  Guess he is not in the Sox plans.

[Maxbialystock]

1 hour ago, Sox 42 said:

When Mayer got hurt the Sox brought up Hamilton (who cant see the Mendoza without a telescope) but left Vaughn Grissom at AAA.  Grissom was hitting at 344 in July and has a future (although not as fast).   We have AAA teams with talented players because we know people in the BIGS get hurt and need to be replaced.  The AAA players need to know that if they do well they will be recognized.  The Sox threw a serious slap in the face to Vaughn by promoting a lesser player.  Guess he is not in the Sox plans.

Poor Vaughn.  Poor, poor Vaughn.  

The Sox know him one heckuva lot better than you or I, and they picked Hamilton instead and despite his lousy OPS.  He's good on defense and fast on the basepaths.  That's why his Wins Above Replacement is +0.3 this year and +2.8 over 3 seasons.  

[moonslav59]

Dham at .500 might still be better than Grissom, due to his D and running skills.

[cp176]

10 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

Poor Vaughn.  Poor, poor Vaughn.  

The Sox know him one heckuva lot better than you or I, and they picked Hamilton instead and despite his lousy OPS.  He's good on defense and fast on the basepaths.  That's why his Wins Above Replacement is +0.3 this year and +2.8 over 3 seasons.  

I don’t think that the post is a case of “poor poor Vaughn “.  I just think it is a little confusing to understand the overall move.  We have many micro managers here who obviously know more about how  the inner workings of the system operate than others.  When a player is performing apparently about as well ans any field payer at the AAA level and doesn’t get a look in this instance it is confusing that  is about it.  I find this much more confusing than trying to figure out the moves and lack there off at the trade deadline.  If it is about the pitching being so poor at the AAA level, are any of our prospects at any level all that good?  

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[Kimmi]

On 8/2/2025 at 9:11 AM, cp176 said:

I don’t think that the post is a case of “poor poor Vaughn “.  I just think it is a little confusing to understand the overall move.  We have many micro managers here who obviously know more about how  the inner workings of the system operate than others.  When a player is performing apparently about as well ans any field payer at the AAA level and doesn’t get a look in this instance it is confusing that  is about it.  I find this much more confusing than trying to figure out the moves and lack there off at the trade deadline.  If it is about the pitching being so poor at the AAA level, are any of our prospects at any level all that good?  

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It is puzzling why Grissom isn't getting a look.  The only thing I can think of is that the Red Sox are valuing defense at that position over offense.  Plus Hamilton has speed.  I have nothing against Hamilton.  I just don't think Grissom has ever been given a fair chance at the big league level.

[mvp 78]

On 8/1/2025 at 9:14 PM, Sox 42 said:

When Mayer got hurt the Sox brought up Hamilton (who cant see the Mendoza without a telescope) but left Vaughn Grissom at AAA.  Grissom was hitting at 344 in July and has a future (although not as fast).   We have AAA teams with talented players because we know people in the BIGS get hurt and need to be replaced.  The AAA players need to know that if they do well they will be recognized.  The Sox threw a serious slap in the face to Vaughn by promoting a lesser player.  Guess he is not in the Sox plans.

Vaughn Grissom is not a good baseball player and has bristled against what the Sox hitting instructors are trying to teach. He has stated that he's only hitting well now because he is back to doing what he used to do. He doesn't want to be in the system and isn't a good fit here. He's a contact approach guy with little power and is a bad fielder. I'd rather have David Hamilton on the roster and he's been pretty bad. 

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Vaughn Grissom is not a good baseball player and has bristled against what the Sox hitting instructors are trying to teach. He has stated that he's only hitting well now because he is back to doing what he used to do. He doesn't want to be in the system and isn't a good fit here. He's a contact approach guy with little power and is a bad fielder. I'd rather have David Hamilton on the roster and he's been pretty bad. 

Vaughn "soon to be gone" grissom
Sounds like you wont even miss him
 

[drewski6]

I wrote you that

[cp176]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Vaughn Grissom is not a good baseball player and has bristled against what the Sox hitting instructors are trying to teach. He has stated that he's only hitting well now because he is back to doing what he used to do. He doesn't want to be in the system and isn't a good fit here. He's a contact approach guy with little power and is a bad fielder. I'd rather have David Hamilton on the roster and he's been pretty bad. 

Hey I won’t argue with you about Grissom’s talent.  You seem to know a lot more about it for sure than I do.  I’ve never seen him as a key piece to anything just a kid deserving a shot.  Guess not and no big deal.  

[mvp 78]

25 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

Vaughn "soon to be gone" grissom
Sounds like you wont even miss him
 

Nothing to miss. Bad trade. Bad fit for the org. 

[mvp 78]

23 minutes ago, cp176 said:

Hey I won’t argue with you about Grissom’s talent.  You seem to know a lot more about it for sure than I do.  I’ve never seen him as a key piece to anything just a kid deserving a shot.  Guess not and no big deal.  

Nobody deserves a shot. 

[cp176]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Nobody deserves a shot. 

Don’t agree - obviously depends on the situation of course.  If you are outperforming your teammates unless there are other circumstances, of course you deserve a shot. Obviously i don’t know this kid like you do.  

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, cp176 said:

Don’t agree - obviously depends on the situation of course.  If you are outperforming your teammates unless there are other circumstances, of course you deserve a shot. Obviously i don’t know this kid like you do.  

The boxscores aren't the most important things to an org. It's what you are doing day in and day out. If Grissom can hit AAA pitching, but he's not doing the things that will make him successful at the next level, why call him up? 

[cp176]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

The boxscores aren't the most important things to an org. It's what you are doing day in and day out. If Grissom can hit AAA pitching, but he's not doing the things that will make him successful at the next level, why call him up? 

There would be no reason to call him up if he isn’t performing  the way they want want to see.  I read al little bit about our prospects on line and do in fact rely on the box scores.  Once again, I obviously don’t know his circumstances the way that you do.

[notin]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Vaughn Grissom is not a good baseball player and has bristled against what the Sox hitting instructors are trying to teach. He has stated that he's only hitting well now because he is back to doing what he used to do. He doesn't want to be in the system and isn't a good fit here. He's a contact approach guy with little power and is a bad fielder. I'd rather have David Hamilton on the roster and he's been pretty bad. 

Makes me wonder why they didn’t send him off in some minor trade last week.

If he is as poor of a fit as you say, why waste the 40 man roster spot on him?

[Maxbialystock]

On 8/2/2025 at 9:11 AM, cp176 said:

I don’t think that the post is a case of “poor poor Vaughn “.  I just think it is a little confusing to understand the overall move.  We have many micro managers here who obviously know more about how  the inner workings of the system operate than others.  When a player is performing apparently about as well ans any field payer at the AAA level and doesn’t get a look in this instance it is confusing that  is about it.  I find this much more confusing than trying to figure out the moves and lack there off at the trade deadline.  If it is about the pitching being so poor at the AAA level, are any of our prospects at any level all that good?  

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Give me a break.  There is nothing confusing about what has happened.  Campbell got a shot right out of spring training, plus a contract.  Mayer and Anthony have both been brought up.  All three earned the promotion, but one is back with Worcester, and Mayer is on the IL.  

What you've ignored is the that time for experiments is over.  It's August and the Sox are playing well and definitely in the hunt. 

Forget Hamilton for a moment and realize that Grissom is really competing with Gonzalez and falls far short. 2b is fixed, period.  We all had high hopes for Mayer but Gonzalez is better right now.  

Hamilton fills a useful niche--great on the base paths and good on defense at 2b or SS.  

[Maxbialystock]

20 hours ago, Kimmi said:

It is puzzling why Grissom isn't getting a look.  The only thing I can think of is that the Red Sox are valuing defense at that position over offense.  Plus Hamilton has speed.  I have nothing against Hamilton.  I just don't think Grissom has ever been given a fair chance at the big league level.

It's August and the Sox are in the hunt.  Grissom is not competing with Hamilton, but with Gonzalez, who is proving his worth when and where it counts.  

[mvp 78]

15 minutes ago, notin said:

Makes me wonder why they didn’t send him off in some minor trade last week.

If he is as poor of a fit as you say, why waste the 40 man roster spot on him?

Maybe nobody else wants him either? 

[Duran Is The Man]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Maybe nobody else wants him either? 

send him back to ATL for Sale.

[sk7326]

One thing we have seen is that Breslow and the gang are promoting the players using more of the batted ball and swing decision sort of data.  And we just don't have that.  If the player is making lots of hard contact but the ball is not finding gaps, that is going to weigh at least as much as even the triple slash.

[sk7326]

2 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

send him back to ATL for Sale.

We do that and then Sale shatters his patella walking off the plane back at Logan.

[Duran Is The Man]

1 minute ago, sk7326 said:

We do that and then Sale shatters his patella walking off the plane back at Logan.

and it wouldn't surprise anyone.

[notin]

48 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Maybe nobody else wants him either? 

Oh please.  Teams were giving up quality relief pitching for James Outman.  I’m sure some team would give up an A ball player for Grissom.  If nothing else, Grissom possesses the ability to play Major League Baseball for minimum wage, and a lot of teams value that skill…

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, notin said:

Oh please.  Teams were giving up quality relief pitching for James Outman.  I’m sure some team would give up an A ball player for Grissom.  If nothing else, Grissom possesses the ability to play Major League Baseball for minimum wage, and a lot of teams value that skill…

The Minnesota Twins made a lot of really bad trades. Breslow was just focused on Joe Ryan unfortunately. 

[mvp 78]

Also, Outman has a 946 OPS with average OF defense vs Vaughn's 857 and concrete glove. 

[drewski6]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

The boxscores aren't the most important things to an org. It's what you are doing day in and day out. If Grissom can hit AAA pitching, but he's not doing the things that will make him successful at the next level, why call him up? 

necessity

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, drewski6 said:

necessity

Sox are 3rd in offensive fWAR since June 1. Where's the necessity at the moment? 

[drewski6]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Sox are 3rd in offensive fWAR since June 1. Where's the necessity at the moment? 

well, you asked why would they call him up.  I said necessity.  Considering he's not up, they agree with you (assuming I am right on the reason)

[drewski6]

sorry, didnt mean to imply that they should call him up, jsut agreeing that if they call him up, its most likely to be due to an emergency/necessity

[cp176]

2 hours ago, Maxbialystock said:

Give me a break.  There is nothing confusing about what has happened.  Campbell got a shot right out of spring training, plus a contract.  Mayer and Anthony have both been brought up.  All three earned the promotion, but one is back with Worcester, and Mayer is on the IL.  

What you've ignored is the that time for experiments is over.  It's August and the Sox are playing well and definitely in the hunt. 

Forget Hamilton for a moment and realize that Grissom is really competing with Gonzalez and falls far short. 2b is fixed, period.  We all had high hopes for Mayer but Gonzalez is better right now.  

Hamilton fills a useful niche--great on the base paths and good on defense at 2b or SS.  

What do you mean give you a break?  No one repeat no one is actively pushing for  Grissom to be called up to play anywhere.  When Mayer was injured it seemed kind of odd that Hamilton was called up I guess based on what he hasn’t done.  Before you get excited yup I still see value in Hamilton.  Also at the time of Mayer’s injury, Gonzalez was not playing much second base.  Personally I’d leave Gonzalez right at second base and see how it works out.  I know nothing about the hows and whys of the Red Sox when it comes to how they promote their players.  II do know quite a bit about baseball and I do find some of their moves a little confusing.  Obviously it is just me.  I’m ok with that.