Red Sox (Bello) vs Tigers (Holton): 5/13/25, 6:40pm

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I still maintain that Bello is a good #5.

I wonder what that makes Houck?

A reliever?

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, vegasbob said:

As noted above, i see some issues developing with Campbell.  Not running hard has also been notable in recent games.   His ground ball rate is above  MLB average and climbing tonight

He needs to talk to Duran about that. I don’t think I ever see him dogging it out there.

[vegasbob]

Some things about Cora I do appreciate.  Like pulling Bello with 2 outs in the 5th ( again) sporting a lead, but throwing some very sloppy baseballs.

Brayan is not showing a lot of growth as a young pitcher becoming a force.

[FredLynn]

Just now, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

I wonder what that makes Houck?

A reliever?

At what level?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Just now, FredLynn said:

He needs to talk to Duran about that. I don’t think I ever see him dogging it out there.

That's not in Duran's DNA.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, FredLynn said:

At what level?

Does he still have options?

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Does he still have options?

Probably not

[FredLynn]

Time for Rafaela to earn his keep 

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, Old Red said:

Roster construction.🤭

I'm sure you are against a suspect foundation.

LOL.

[moonslav59]

No win for Bello, tonight.

[FredLynn]

At least strike out on a strike…guess not 

[vegasbob]

Just a question.   The Red Sox future is built around a homegrown base of cost controlled potentially talented rookies and second year players with more waiting in AAA.

Name one Sox  young player that has shown growth and development from year 1 into year 2.    Maybe Abreu.

  Rafaela perhaps has stabilized and plays to his ability level.  But not Bello, Houck, Casas, Hamilton, nor  Wong.

Winckowski has regressed .   Maybe Fitts and Dobbins are showing skills that will pay off.

Certainly a few question marks regarding the Sox ability to develop maturing players.  Some of this has to fall on Cora and the coaches

[moonslav59]

Just get that sneaky feeling, we will look back at this bases loaded- no runs scored time of the game and shake our heads.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Bases loaded and no outs; no runs scored. Now wasn't that special?

[Oscars]

The Sox suck with loaded bases 

[FredLynn]

Sox missed their chance 

Baseball Gods hate that

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Just get that sneaky feeling, we will look back at this bases loaded- no runs scored time of the game and shake our heads.

I'm already shaking my head.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1 minute ago, Oscars said:

The Sox suck with loaded bases 

They also suck with bases loaded.

[FredLynn]

Leadoff walk. Wtf happened to Whitlock??

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

5 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Just a question.   The Red Sox future is built around a homegrown base of cost controlled potentially talented rookies and second year players with more waiting in AAA.

Name one Sox  young player that has shown growth and development from year 1 into year 2.    Maybe Abreu.

  Rafaela perhaps has stabilized and plays to his ability level.  But not Bello, Houck, Casas, Hamilton, nor  Wong.

Winckowski has regressed .   Maybe Fitts and Dobbins are showing skills that will pay off.

Certainly a few question marks regarding the Sox ability to develop maturing players.  Some of this has to fall on Cora and the coaches

Good observation. And a valid one.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Leadoff walk. Wtf happened to Whitlock??

He does hang with Houck a lot.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, vegasbob said:

Just a question.   The Red Sox future is built around a homegrown base of cost controlled potentially talented rookies and second year players with more waiting in AAA.

Name one Sox  young player that has shown growth and development from year 1 into year 2.    Maybe Abreu.

  Rafaela perhaps has stabilized and plays to his ability level.  But not Bello, Houck, Casas, Hamilton, nor  Wong.

Winckowski has regressed .   Maybe Fitts and Dobbins are showing skills that will pay off.

Certainly a few question marks regarding the Sox ability to develop maturing players.  Some of this has to fall on Cora and the coaches

Depends how you look at what year 2 is. This is not Wink's 2nd year.

Casas came up in '22 and improved in '23, then got worse.

Wong came up briefly in '21 and '22 and played 126 gms in '23. He did better in 126 games in '24- much better.

DHam played a little in '23 and did better in '24.

Duran sucked in '21 and '22 (335 PAs combined) then did well in '23 and '24.

Rafaela played a tiny bit in '23. He's got about the same OPS now as '24.

Abreu is doing better, and he too played a tiny bit in '23.

Wink pitched 70 innings in '22 and 84 in '23 (better than '22) and then did worse, last year. he's hardly pitched in '25 but has a better ERA.

Slaten is worse, and this is truly year 2.

Kelly pitched a tiny bit in '22 and '23 and 57 IP in '24. He has sucked, this year, but is this year 2?

 

[FredLynn]

Game over

[FredLynn]

This team absolutely sucks

[Jasonbay44]

Whitlock has been awful. Holy s*** 

[vegasbob]

Whitlock has officially become a dead loser.  Uses 26 pitches to labor through 2 outs before throwing up a 3 run HR ball.  He has no command nor control and nothing  to write home about.  He genuinely sucks at this point.

Of course he did strike out the side on about 35 pitches, so there's that, and he will not be back out, hopefully

[FredLynn]

The Flops failed to address the worst pen in baseball after the ASB last year 

[FredLynn]

After this loss the Flops will be 22-22. 
just where they belong.

.500

Theres nothing worse than mediocrity 

[Tedballgame]

How many games is Whitlock going to blow? He is not the same pitcher he was before the Sox ruined him trying to make him a starter.

[notin]

26 minutes ago, vegasbob said:

Just a question.   The Red Sox future is built around a homegrown base of cost controlled potentially talented rookies and second year players with more waiting in AAA.

Name one Sox  young player that has shown growth and development from year 1 into year 2.    Maybe Abreu.

  Rafaela perhaps has stabilized and plays to his ability level.  But not Bello, Houck, Casas, Hamilton, nor  Wong.

Winckowski has regressed .   Maybe Fitts and Dobbins are showing skills that will pay off.

 

Houck went from 1.3 bWAR in his first full year as a starter to 3.5 bWAR in his second.

Casas keeps getting hurt and really has only one full season under his belt.  Can’t blame Cora for that.

Hamilton absolutely showed massive steps forward last year.  This year he’s rarely playing.

Wing is never going to be an All Star, bet he is absolutely better than he was when they acquired him…