A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II

[dgalehouse]

I want all of you to get up right now. I want you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to go to the window. Open it. Stick your head out and yell. " I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.  I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore ".

[Bellhorn04]

3 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I want all of you to get up right now. I want you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to go to the window. Open it. Stick your head out and yell. " I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.  I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore ".

The mad as hell part would be true, the not going to take it any more part would be a big fat lie.

[moonslav59]

9 minutes ago, dgalehouse said:

I want all of you to get up right now. I want you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to go to the window. Open it. Stick your head out and yell. " I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.  I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore ".

Great movie and a perfect link to how most of us think, right now.

[Larry Cook]

5 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Not that I've heard of, but I'd rather overpay for a guy like him than a top pitching prospect.

Pittsburgh said everybody except skenes and 1 other is available!! 

[moonslav59]

2 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Pittsburgh said everybody except skenes and 1 other is available!! 

I don't doubt it.

We'd have to make an offer they could not refuse. It might be one I'd refuse, too.

[Larry Cook]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I don't doubt it.

We'd have to make an offer they could not refuse. It might be one I'd refuse, too.

The team we need to be calling is Philly!! Desperate Dave needs a lefty reliever and an outfielder and a third basemen!!!!

Chapman, Bergman and Duran for painter!!!

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Larry Cook said:

The team we need to be calling is Philly!! Desperate Dave needs a lefty reliever and an outfielder and a third basemen!!!!

Chapman, Bergman and Duran for painter!!!

You do realize top pitching prospects often fail, right?

Also, that a major overpay, although it does probably get DD's attention.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

18 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Pittsburgh said everybody except skenes and 1 other is available!! 

It's that ballerina he dates. I can't think of her name, either.

[Larry Cook]

7 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You do realize top pitching prospects often fail, right?

Also, that a major overpay, although it does probably get DD's attention.

I have seen painter throw twice now and I am a believer in his stuff!!! 
maybe bres-slow just sends them Duran and Chapman then!!!! 

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I have seen painter throw twice now and I am a believer in his stuff!!! 
maybe bres-slow just sends them Duran and Chapman then!!!! 

Many a pitching prospect has had great stuff and not produced at the ML level.

[moonslav59]

To me, the best general approach is to trade for an established young pitcher with 2+ years of team control, and that almost always happens in the winter. Deadline deals are usually rentals for prospects. Winter deals are prospects for established vets.

I'm not saying it has to be this way, but trying to get a stud pitcher, at the deadline will almost always involve a massive overpay- and that's just for a rental.

If we trade some rentals and get a top pitching prospects who is MLB ready, I would not be against the idea, but it's a big dice roll. Maybe the safe plan would be to trade all our FAs-to-be for the best prospects available, then wait until winter to combine enough of our prospects to package for a trade like the Crochet one, the Sale and Beckett. I just feel safer going this route.

Since we already have some top and mid tier prospects many teams want, adding some more would give us the upper hand on being able to offer the best deal for the best pitchers on the trade market. The next hope is that with the money saved on the Devers trade we can actually sign someone better than Gio or Buehler types.

[Larry Cook]

33 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Many a pitching prospect has had great stuff and not produced at the ML level.

That is the gamble bres-slow has to evaluate!!! 
but I did see someone proposed Chapman and refsynder for Abel!!!!!

[moonslav59]

17 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

That is the gamble bres-slow has to evaluate!!! 
but I did see someone proposed Chapman and refsynder for Abel!!!!!

It might take Chapman and Duran for Abel, and I'm not sure how proven he is, either.

I'm fine with getting top prospect pitching- really, I am. If we are to be sellers, I'd rather sell for pitching than hitters. I'm just thinking we need another Crochet, and that is a winter type trade, not a deadline one.

We could try to do both.

[notin]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

It's that ballerina he dates. I can't think of her name, either.

Livvy Dunne.  Gymnast, not ballerina. 
 

Also she irritates my daughter, but it’s probably not on her resume…

[Maxbialystock]

11 hours ago, dgalehouse said:

I want all of you to get up right now. I want you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to go to the window. Open it. Stick your head out and yell. " I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore.  I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore ".

Great line, great movie.  Paddy Chayefsky,  3 oscars for screenwriting--Network, Marty, and The Hospital.  

[Duran Is The Man]

6 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

The team we need to be calling is Philly!! Desperate Dave needs a lefty reliever and an outfielder and a third basemen!!!!

Chapman, Bergman and Duran for painter!!!

Blaze Jordan has played some third. send him for Painter. prospect for prospect.

[moonslav59]

30 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

Blaze Jordan has played some third. send him for Painter. prospect for prospect.

LOL, 100 Jordans wouldn't get the job done.

[Larry Cook]

9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

LOL, 100 Jordans wouldn't get the job done.

At this point, I wish we had preister back 

[Bellhorn04]

7 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

At this point, I wish we had preister back 

Me too.  Priester has 'bad peripherals', say those who still like the trade...we'll see how it plays out.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Me too.  Priester has 'bad peripherals', say those who still like the trade...we'll see how it plays out.

Breslow made the trade and he’s a pitching first guy. 😐

[moonslav59]

How low is Grissom's stock?

He's still on the 40, yet these guys are on the big club, while he's still in AAA:

Eaton

Sogard

DHam

Toro

My guess is, if we end up needing yet another infielder, KC may get the re-call before Grissom gets one.

[moonslav59]

3 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Me too.  Priester has 'bad peripherals', say those who still like the trade...we'll see how it plays out.

Maybe Brandon Walter is "the one that got away."

By and large, Brez has added way more pitchers than he's traded away. A few have looked bad, many are still on the farm, and a few have looked pretty good to great.

[Larry Cook]

Can  bres-slow get us peralta and painter this trade deadline???

we definitely have the pieces to get them!!!! 

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Can  bres-slow get us peralta and painter this trade deadline???

we definitely have the pieces to get them!!!! 

You really want to give up multiple top prospects for a rental and unknown?

[Larry Cook]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You really want to give up multiple top prospects for a rental and unknown?

Absolutely!! But not quality prospects for the rental!! 

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Absolutely!! But not quality prospects for the rental!! 

We will not get Peralta without giving back serious quality.

Painter will likely cost us 2-3 high level prospects: if not two from Anthony, Mayer, KC and Garcia, at least one plus one or two from Arias, Bleis, Cespedes, Tolle, Clarke or Valera.

[Duran Is The Man]

14 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

LOL, 100 Jordans wouldn't get the job done.

i know that. my proposal was just as stupid as the one Larry Cook mentioned.

maybe i should have typed it in green.

[Duran Is The Man]

5 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

At this point, I wish we had preister back 

i agree. good thing we traded him for an outfielder, cause, ya' know, we have plenty 'o pitchers and few outfielders. 

seriously, the analytics nerds in the front office have to be some of the dumbest analysts in all of MLB. it's one bad trade or move after another.

[moonslav59]

7 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i agree. good thing we traded him for an outfielder, cause, ya' know, we have plenty 'o pitchers and few outfielders. 

seriously, the analytics nerds in the front office have to be some of the dumbest analysts in all of MLB. it's one bad trade or move after another.

You forget, we got the great pitching prospect back in that deal, too: John Holobetz.

[Duran Is The Man]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You forget, we got the great pitching prospect back in that deal, too: John Holobetz.

who? LOLOL and what is he doing for us now?