Red Sox: Off Season 2024-2025

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

And yet you'd still be throwing in 35-40 million.  

 

True, but "saving" some of his salary. I'd like to think we could get away with paying none, but why would MIA take on Yoshida's salary that offsets Alcantara's? Their whole purpose for making this trade would be to dump salary.

I'm not saying I'm for trading Mayer for Alcantara, but he has a big chance at being great, again. He's shown he can be great at the ML level. Mayer has not, and my desire to dump Yoshida is likely getting the better of me.

No Yoshida really helps our roster construction. I realize we could just option him to AAA and get the same results, but the budget issue cramps our future choices, bigtime, 

[Bellhorn04]

19 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm not saying I'm for trading Mayer for Alcantara, but he has a big chance at being great, again. He's shown he can be great at the ML level. Mayer has not, and my desire to dump Yoshida is likely getting the better of me.

I think Breslow has tilted the balance to where pitching looks like a strength and the Big 3 need to stay put.

[Duran Is The Man]

19 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

True, but "saving" some of his salary. I'd like to think we could get away with paying none, but why would MIA take on Yoshida's salary that offsets Alcantara's? Their whole purpose for making this trade would be to dump salary.

I'm not saying I'm for trading Mayer for Alcantara, but he has a big chance at being great, again. He's shown he can be great at the ML level. Mayer has not, and my desire to dump Yoshida is likely getting the better of me.

No Yoshida really helps our roster construction. I realize we could just option him to AAA and get the same results, but the budget issue cramps our future choices, bigtime, 

gawd dawg.....just DFA him rather than give away the farm.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

6 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think Breslow has tilted the balance to where pitching looks like a strength and the Big 3 need to stay put.

Which is Worcester, playing every day, unless Boston's roster has holes to fill because of injuries. The Red Sox three highest-paid position players are infielders, so there's no way Campbell or Mayer bump Devers, Story or Bregman.

The outfield is jammed with newer heroes on first-chance power drives, and Anthony's still only 20. He won't bench a healthy Yoshida making $19 million or even veteran leader Refsnyder. And Rafaela in CF is too important to the new and improved pitching staff (even if he keeps getting so many hits like this Spring that prevent him from drawing walks).

For all of us hoping Anthony will be this century's Carl Yastrzemski, it's worth noting Yaz played his last season in the minors, a full year of Triple A, when he was 20. He won his first AL batting crown when he was 23, but didn't become a power hitter until he was 27. Roman might already be ahead of him there...

[notin]

22 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

I was thinking they'd demand Anthony or Mayer, if we included Yoshida.

I think my "not sure" statement was light, although I would consider giving up a lot with Yoshida for someone with his promise.

If they demand Anthony or Mayer if you include Yoshida, then do not include Yoshida…

[notin]

41 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

gawd dawg.....just DFA him rather than give away the farm.

Or demote him.  He does have options.

But most likely the Sox will need him.  If you trade Yoshida and Anthony, and either Devers or Casas goes down, who steps up? Romy? Refsnyder to full time DH?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

I think Breslow has tilted the balance to where pitching looks like a strength and the Big 3 need to stay put.

The thinking in the front office may be that trading one big-time prospect for a pitcher is enough for this year.

Plus, Anthony or Campbell were so highly-rated across the industry this winter, it was too risky to deal either, in case they really do become the next Yaz or Barry Bonds.

Of the Fab Four, Teel may have even been the most indispensable -- a hitter who can stay at catcher... though the front office may also be ahead of their comp in expecting automated strike calls to diminish some aspects of catching that were once so valued.

[moonslav59]

Campbell can play OF, if the IF is crowded out by healthy and performing Devers (DH), Bregman, Story, Mayer and Casas.

It might make more sense to trade an OF'er not named Duran or Anthony to find Campbell a place to play. The big if, is Story being healthy and hitting well. If and when he goes down, Campbell could play IF, and whichever OF'er you did not trade tkes his place, there. (Abreu/Ref or Rafaela/Ref)

[vjcsmoke]

On 3/1/2025 at 10:01 AM, notin said:

BTV suggests Abreu and Hamilton is fair.  I think they overvalue Hamilton.  Maybe Abreu, but only slightly.  
 

Abreu and Arias for Alcantara?  It seems reasonable.  Miami might prefer a bigger name.  But 5 years of a 3+ year Gold Glove RF plus a top 100 prospect for two years of Alcantara?  Fair or not?  And would it interest Miami, who might prefer an unfair deal?

I agree, let's give up lesser prospects and players by keeping Yoshida out of the trade. I would def pull trigger on Abreu + Arias for Alcantara.

Alcantara would be a good get for us but maybe Miami doesn't want to give him a fat contract after his 2 years are up so getting something decent for him now would be attractive rather than taking him all the way out to free agency. Also the slight uncertainty of how well he is recovered from injury might sway them to listen to a Red Sox trade offer.

I know we will eventually need to find a way to dump Yoshida's salary but let's not do it at the cost of one of our Big 3 prospects.

[moonslav59]

How about Abreu, Cespedes & Fajardo?

[moonslav59]

Word is, the final Jays offer to Vladdy was under $600M, so that gives us some sort of idea what he might be asking for. (Note: he may not even get what the Jays offered. It may depend on how he does in '25. He'll also be a year older.)