Trades?

[mvp 78]

Miguel Bleis might be their best.

 

I know he’s struggling, but that’s not so uncommon for those toolsy guys who are never evaluated on their stats anyway…

 

He's so far away that the chip isn't very valuable IMO.

[mvp 78]

Bleis?

 

No.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

 

Breslow on @WEEI

 

"Of course we have to line up, but I think we’ve got a good farm system, we've got depth, we’ve got some opportunities to use guys in conversations that are going to be really good Major League players, but may not have the opportunity to do so here."

 

"Trying to find a right-handed hitter that can help even out the lineup a little better, one with positional versatility would be super helpful, whether that’s first base or potentially in the outfield is probably where we will spend some time.”

[notin]

No.

 

 

 

SoxProspects.com disagrees with you, ranking him ahead of even Campbell. BTV disagrees as well, giving him a greater surplus value than your entire list except for Abreu and Hamilton…

 

BTV gives him a surplus value of $13mill,

[mvp 78]

SoxProspects.com disagrees with you, ranking him ahead of even Campbell. BTV disagrees as well, giving him a greater surplus value than your entire list except for Abreu and Hamilton…

 

BTV gives him a surplus value of $13mill,

 

Cool, that doesn't mean SoxProspects believes he has better trade value. It's just a prospect ranking and they say that a spot or two isn't a big deal, that it's tier dependent. As for BTV, they do a piss poor job with prospect value.

[mvp 78]

Bleis:

2023 Salem: 607 OPS

2024 Salem: 747 OPS

2024 Greenville: 521 OPS

 

I don't believe his trade value equals what our rose colored glasses want it to be.

[mvp 78]

Campbell is a top 100 prospect on a few lists now. Where is Bleis???

[notin]

Campbell is a top 100 prospect on a few lists now. Where is Bleis???

 

Again, talk to SoxProspects.com.

 

But if you want to know where Bleis is, I can tell you that he’s closer to those Top 100 lists than Matt Lugo and Nick Kavadas are…

Edited July 25, 2024 by notin

[notin]

Bleis:

2023 Salem: 607 OPS

2024 Salem: 747 OPS

2024 Greenville: 521 OPS

 

I don't believe his trade value equals what our rose colored glasses want it to be.

 

I’m citing other sources, not me.

 

And I’m saying that I agree with them that he has more trade value than a bunch of those Future AAAA players you listed…

[moonslav59]

Red Sox best trade chip is Marcelo Mayer.

 

I'd say Anthony and Mayer are about equal, and since our OF looks loaded, Anthony might be the guy we move (probably not at the deadline.)

[Larry Cook]

I’m citing other sources, not me.

 

And I’m saying that I agree with them that he has more trade value than a bunch of those Future AAAA players you listed…

 

I agree that we should get a premium for blies. The ball sounds great coming off his bat. But he is fooled by off speed and breaking balls. Once he figures it out, he could be special.

[moonslav59]

SoxProspects.com disagrees with you, ranking him ahead of even Campbell. BTV disagrees as well, giving him a greater surplus value than your entire list except for Abreu and Hamilton…

 

BTV gives him a surplus value of $13mill,

 

I think Campbell passes Bleis in the EOY rankings. I like Cespedes better, too.

 

I agree with MVP, far away prospects don't have the same appeal (and trade value) they used to have.

 

I think Cespedes, Bleis, Arias and Zanetello are better held onto, as their upside potential is very high when compared to their trade value.

 

I'm not sure the BTV $13M on Bleis is how other GMs see him.

 

All it takes is one, though. Maybe the CWS are looking 3-4 years down the road and really likes Bleis.

[notin]

Bleis?

 

I’m citing other sources, not me.

 

And I’m saying that I agree with them that he has more trade value than a bunch of those Future AAAA players you listed…

 

I agree that we should get a premium for blies. The ball sounds great coming off his bat. But he is fooled by off speed and breaking balls. Once he figures it out, he could be special.

 

He could be.

 

He’s obviously not the most valuable gem in the system, and has earned his removal from three top 100 lists since the beginning of last year. But I still think a rival GM would prefer a long term project like Bleis over a AAA LHH DH/1b type like Kavadas who was left in the minors by his current organization in favor of journeyman Dom Smith.

 

Kavadas might even be dealt, but as the returns get bigger, more GMs would ask for Bleis over Kavadas, Sandlin, Jordan, and Lugo.

 

The Sox, OTOH, might prefer to hold Bleis, hoping a bounce back thrusts him back into the upper echelon of all prospects. Basically, they might not want to sell him low right now…

[notin]

I think Campbell passes Bleis in the EOY rankings. I like Cespedes better, too.

 

I agree with MVP, far away prospects don't have the same appeal (and trade value) they used to have.

 

I think Cespedes, Bleis, Arias and Zanetello are better held onto, as their upside potential is very high when compared to their trade value.

 

I'm not sure the BTV $13M on Bleis is how other GMs see him.

 

All it takes is one, though. Maybe the CWS are looking 3-4 years down the road and really likes Bleis.

 

 

 

I will never know how anyone sees Bleis.

 

If I had Breslow’s job, I’d hold off another year and see if he can bounce back. He’s a former Top 100 prospect across three lists as recently as last year, so some potential might exist.

 

But I could see other teams preferring Bleis over Lugo, Kavadas, Jordan, Sandlin, Meidroth, Espino and possibly even Fitts…

[mvp 78]

Again, talk to SoxProspects.com.

 

But if you want to know where Bleis is, I can tell you that he’s closer to those Top 100 lists than Matt Lugo and Nick Kavadas are…

 

And Lugo and Kavadas are Rule 5 eligible so much more likely to be dealt than Bleis who is still in A ball and struggling.

[mvp 78]

I’m citing other sources, not me.

 

And I’m saying that I agree with them that he has more trade value than a bunch of those Future AAAA players you listed…

 

I never said he was less valuable than the guys I listed. His value right now is too low to deal. He has a very high ceiling and the Sox would be selling low on him. It'd just be dumb to sell him this season.

 

My list was simply titles "young players that could get moved." It wasn't "the best Sox trade chips."

[mvp 78]

I'd say Anthony and Mayer are about equal, and since our OF looks loaded, Anthony might be the guy we move (probably not at the deadline.)

 

It would have to be quite the trade to move him.

[notin]

It would have to be quite the trade to move him.

 

Garret Crochet? Bryce Miller? Bryan Woo?

[mvp 78]

Garret Crochet? Bryce Miller? Bryan Woo?

 

Crochet or Woo. Not Miller.

[notin]

Crochet or Woo. Not Miller.

 

I was thinking no on Crochet due to the injury history and lesser control. What don’t you like about Bryce?

 

Also, any other decent candidates? I’m drawing a blank…

[mvp 78]

I was thinking no on Crochet due to the injury history and lesser control. What don’t you like about Bryce?

 

Also, any other decent candidates? I’m drawing a blank…

 

Miller's peripherals just don't seem great. His statcast page looks like a week in early March. A flyball pull pitcher at Fenway doesn't seem great? Maybe it's just his sweeper and slider that he's just getting poor results from? IDK.

 

Others they could look into acquiring:

 

MacKenzie Gore (post prospect deal that you can try to turn into a TOTR guy)

Drew Thorpe (prospect for prospect type deal)

[notin]

I never said he was less valuable than the guys I listed. His value right now is too low to deal. He has a very high ceiling and the Sox would be selling low on him. It'd just be dumb to sell him this season.

 

My list was simply titles "young players that could get moved." It wasn't "the best Sox trade chips."

 

Fair point. If the Sox have faith in Bleis, it would be selling him low…

[moonslav59]

We could just flip Abreu for an equal but RHB Ofer.

 

Trade mid level prospect packages for 2 pitchers and maybe a RHB 1B or SS that would be a cheap rental.

[mvp 78]

We could just flip Abreu for an equal but RHB Ofer.

 

Boring!

[moonslav59]

Boring!

 

But likely more realistic

[mvp 78]

Kirby career splits

Home: 86 tOPS+, 2.84 ERA, 8.84 k/bb

Away: 114 tOPS+, 3.82 ERA, 6.93 k/bb

 

Bryce Miller career splits

Home: 64 tOPS+, 2.81 ERA, 4.44 k/bb

Away: 135 tOPS+, 5.33 ERA, 3.48 k/bb

 

Bryan Woo career splits

Home: 84 tOPS+, 2.54 ERA, 5.45 k/bb

Away: 110 tOPS+, 4.35 ERA, 2.68 k/bb

[notin]

We could just flip Abreu for an equal but RHB Ofer.

 

Trade mid level prospect packages for 2 pitchers and maybe a RHB 1B or SS that would be a cheap rental.

 

Do we really need more outfielders?

 

Just get Canha from Detroit and platoon him at 1b with Smith…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Do we really need more outfielders?

 

Just get Canha from Detroit and platoon him at 1b with Smith…

 

Is DFAed Ty France really just all done at age 30 or possibly a change-of-scenery guy?

 

He was an All-Star just two years ago and has more homers this season than Smith and Cooper combined.

 

If we don't have France, at least the Reds can say they always had (Kyren) Paris in the Spring.

[notin]

Is DFAed Ty France really just all done at age 30 or possibly a change-of-scenery guy?

 

He was an All-Star just two years ago and has more homers this season than Smith and Cooper combined.

 

If we don't have France, at least the Reds can say they always had (Kyren) Paris in the Spring.

 

The Sox could at least give France a week-ish long tryout and DFA him on August 1 if something better does come along…

[moonslav59]

Do we really need more outfielders?

 

Just get Canha from Detroit and platoon him at 1b with Smith…

 

Brez mentioned a RHB OF'er or 1B.

 

Yes, I would prefer we trade Abreu (and more?) for a controllable pitcher and then make a minor trade, or two, for RHB 1B and maybe an RHB OF rental.