Red Sox ownership

[Bellhorn04]

Of course -- they have to put bodies in 26 uniforms so they can put bodies in Fenway's tight seats facing away from home plate or behind poles.

 

Bodies of a lot of fans of other teams in those seats now.

 

Fenway Experience.

[Randy Red Sox]

True.

 

But that only added years and money to the equation.

 

This off-season, Roki Sasaki might be posted. He’s 3 years younger than Yamamoto. And supposedly better..

 

and already we are hearing the LAD are the favourites to land him.

[Bellhorn04]

and already we are hearing the LAD are the favourites to land him.

 

And it seems like a virtual certainty that's where he'll want to go.

[Duran Is The Man]

And it seems like a virtual certainty that's where he'll want to go.

 

and why is that exactly? the Dodgers culture and commitment to winning versus a greedy, tightfisted, egomaniac, f***stick like Henry whose only concern is building his FSG "empire"?

[moonslav59]

The fanbase could really use a shocking addition.

 

Extensions don't do the trick, although the non-extension of Betts will never be forgotten or forgiven,

 

I'm thinking, these were the five to six biggest splash deals in this century:

 

2001 Manny

 

2006 Beckett trade

 

2007 Dice-K

 

2011 AGon trade

 

2016 Price

 

2017 Sale trade

[Duran Is The Man]

The fanbase could really use a shocking addition.

 

Extensions don't do the trick, although the non-extension of Betts will never be forgotten or forgiven,

 

I'm thinking, these were the five to six biggest splash deals in this century:

 

2001 Manny

 

2006 Beckett trade

 

2007 Dice-K

 

2011 AGon trade

 

2016 Price

 

2017 Sale trade

 

yep. when you're biggest signing after another last place finish is the pitcher who absolutely sucked the last half of last season and led the league in HR allowed, well....it's no wonder fans are pissed.

[Bellhorn04]

yep. when you're biggest signing after another last place finish is the pitcher who absolutely sucked the last half of last season and led the league in HR allowed, well....it's no wonder fans are pissed.

 

Some of what's going on is like Hapless Harry or Born Loser comic book stuff. Like trading Sale in favor of signing Giloito.

[moonslav59]

yep. when you're biggest signing after another last place finish is the pitcher who absolutely sucked the last half of last season and led the league in HR allowed, well....it's no wonder fans are pissed.

 

Indeed, and the last "big splash" was in before the 2017 season. Seven years ago!

 

The longest stretches between big splashes, before were 4 and 5 years apart.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The fanbase could really use a shocking addition.

 

 

You mean like signing a starting pitcher or star regular actually still in their primes? Seriously, can't see either happening next offseason.

 

But let's talk trade: who, if anybody, on the entire MLB roster -- if dealt -- would cause shock and awe in Red Sox Neighshun?

 

The most polarizing guy, if moved, would obviously be Devers, because of his bat and contract. But there'd be no uproar to say good-bye to his glove, especially depending on the return -- and the front office commitment to remodel the rebuild. Nobody else on the 40 is untouchable, because of salary or talent.

 

So any intrigue really comes down to which highly-regarded prospects the Sox decide to painfully part with -- along with the upgrades (somewhere) they receive.

[Randy Red Sox]

Some of what's going on is like Hapless Harry or Born Loser comic book stuff. Like trading Sale in favor of signing Giloito.

 

would not have been such a bad trade-off if we weren't paying 17 million on Sale still

[Randy Red Sox]

You mean like signing a starting pitcher or star regular actually still in their primes? Seriously, can't see either happening next offseason.

 

But let's talk trade: who, if anybody, on the entire MLB roster -- if dealt -- would cause shock and awe in Red Sox Neighshun?

 

The most polarizing guy, if moved, would obviously be Devers, because of his bat and contract. But there'd be no uproar to say good-bye to his glove, especially depending on the return -- and the front office commitment to remodel the rebuild. Nobody else on the 40 is untouchable, because of salary or talent.

 

So any intrigue really comes down to which highly-regarded prospects the Sox decide to painfully part with -- along with the upgrades (somewhere) they receive.

 

if they trade any of those top 3 prospects after selling us on building through the farm i will personally give Breslow a ride out of town

[notin]

and already we are hearing the LAD are the favourites to land him.

 

Are you Canadian?

[notin]

would not have been such a bad trade-off if we weren't paying 17 million on Sale still

 

It would not have been a bad trade off in any of the previous four seasons, when Giolito was healthy and Sale wasn’t…

[Randy Red Sox]

Are you Canadian?

 

why?

[moonslav59]

You mean like signing a starting pitcher or star regular actually still in their primes? Seriously, can't see either happening next offseason.

 

But let's talk trade: who, if anybody, on the entire MLB roster -- if dealt -- would cause shock and awe in Red Sox Neighshun?

 

The most polarizing guy, if moved, would obviously be Devers, because of his bat and contract. But there'd be no uproar to say good-bye to his glove, especially depending on the return -- and the front office commitment to remodel the rebuild. Nobody else on the 40 is untouchable, because of salary or talent.

 

So any intrigue really comes down to which highly-regarded prospects the Sox decide to painfully part with -- along with the upgrades (somewhere) they receive.

 

It would be shocking, just as the moves I listed were, at the times made.

 

No, I don't see us trading a top 3 prospect for the next Sale or Beckett. I doubt we'd even trade Perales, Cespedes and Bleis for an ace, assuming we could get one for those 3. It would be a shock, and I don't expect it to happen.

 

I think JH is going to stick to the "go all in on the farm" philosophy. The best chance we have is for all or almost all of our farm infusions to work from day one, or, although not likely, is that we spend heavy on a FA ace or solid #2. I would be shocked, if we do. Hell, I'd be shocked, if we sign 2 solid #3's, this winter, but you don't predict a shock, otherwise, it's not a shock.

 

I don't see us trading young 26 man roster player, unless Cora or Brez dislike the guy for some reason, we don't know about. I don't see us trading top farm prospects, and you don't get aces without doing so.

 

They only hope is we hit bigly on all or most of our top prospects and or we sign an ace or two solid #2/3's. Like I said, it's a hope but I'm not full of hope it actually happens. I do not expect it to happen, but I did not expect the Manny signing, the Beckett trade, the Dice_k signings and fee paid, the Price signing and the Chris Freakin; Sale trade, either.

 

To me, the Price and Sale deals blew me away, at the time. Both we totally shocking, so maybe another shock is in the making.

 

I'm not holding my breath.

Edited June 9, 2024 by moonslav59

[notin]

why?

 

The spelling of “favorite” was distinctly un-American.

 

I gambled on Canada over the UK, Australia, NZ and Jamaica…

[notin]

if they trade any of those top 3 prospects after selling us on building through the farm i will personally give Breslow a ride out of town

 

Would you trade Roman Anthony and Richard Fitts for Garrett Crochet?

 

Given the Sox outfield depth and likely upgrade Crochet provides over Fitts, there is an argument to make this deal…

[moonslav59]

if they trade any of those top 3 prospects after selling us on building through the farm i will personally give Breslow a ride out of town

 

It can't happen without JH's approval, but I'm not sure Brez would choose to di it, even if allowed.

 

I'm not sure Brez would even trade a 4-20 prospects, unless he had reason to not believe they have much hope in making the bigs.

 

I would not be surprised, if he has identified a vet or two plus a 4-20 prospect or two he thinks are expendable. There are also a few possible logjam positions, like OF and catcher that could create a trade situation, like trading McGuire (or Wong, if we have the guts or faith in Teel) or Abreu/Rafaela to make room for Anthony.

 

There is no logjam at middle IF or the rotation, but we could throw in someone like DHam or Valdez, to get a high need pitcher or better middle IF'er.

 

Where do posters see the most likely tradable player or position?

 

C: Wong, Teel, McGuire (Jh Garcia/Hickey) I say maybe.

1B: Casas (Dalbec/Kavadas/Jordan) I say nope.

2B: Grissom/Story/DHam/Valdez/Romy (K Campbell/Zane/Yorke) Nope, unless we trade mediocre depth for an upgrade

SS: Story/Mayer and DHam/Romy (Romero/Cespedes) Nope

3B: Devers (Meidroth) Nope

LF: Duran, Refsnyder, Yoshida, Abreu (Lugo) Maybe

CF: Rafaela, Duran, Anthony, Abreu (Bleis) Maybe

RF: Abreu, Anthony (Ref in short RF parks) Maybe

DH: Refsnyder, Yoshida (Lugo, Valdez) Not likely we can trade Yoshida.

 

SP: Houck & Pivetta (last year), Crawford, Bello & Criswell/Whitlock

(Fitts, Perales and nada) Nope

 

RP: Jansen & Martin (on last years,) Hendriks & Fulmer (more for 2025,)

Slaten, Bernardino, Whitlock, Weisser and Wink/Campbell/Kelly (Guerrero) We better not!

 

Chime in: who is the most expendable good player or prospect we can trade that can bring us back something of value at SP and or 2B?

 

We aren't getting even a #3 SP or sure bet 2Bman for Bleis, Lugo and Valdez

[Bellhorn04]

The spelling of “favorite” was distinctly un-American.

 

I gambled on Canada over the UK, Australia, NZ and Jamaica…

 

And the American way makes much more sense in this case. The u stands for "useless".

[notin]

And the American way makes much more sense in this case. The u stands for "useless".

 

Not judging global spelling variations. Just noticed the UK style and assumed a different country of origin.

 

It’s just another reason I rarely judge people on awful typos. Besides my own horrible propensity for them, I’m trying to be cognizant of the possibility I am correcting the English on someone who could be anywhere in the world and typing in their third language…

[moonslav59]

Not judging global spelling variations. Just noticed the UK style and assumed a different country of origin.

 

It’s just another reason I rarely judge people on awful typos. Besides my own horrible propensity for them, I’m trying to be cognizant of the possibility I am correcting the English on someone who could be anywhere in the world and typing in their third language…

 

Some devices auto correct to the British English spellings.

[notin]

Some devices auto correct to the British English spellings.

 

Heresy!!!

[moonslav59]

Heresy!!!

 

BTW, what's your favourite colour?

[Bellhorn04]

BTW, what's your favourite colour?

 

The American band Living Colour spelled it with a u.

[notin]

The American band Living Colour spelled it with a u.

 

And that’s why no one liked them…

[moonslav59]

And that’s why no one liked them…

 

Nobody went to their concerts: they were too crowded.

[notin]

The American band Living Colour spelled it with a u.

 

I peaked ahead. The lead guitarist who formed the band was born in London, England.

 

Also possible they wanted to be separated from the FOX sketch comedy show “In Living Color,” which was still popular the time…

Edited June 9, 2024 by notin

[vegasbob]

The ultimate laugh on john Henry et alia is that the Savanna Bananas , with a bit of help from Papelbon, Bill Lee, Mitch Moreland and Johnny Gomes packed the house at Fenway this weekend. Henry's own clowns can't quite get fans to that level of enthusiasm.

[Duran Is The Man]

Some of what's going on is like Hapless Harry or Born Loser comic book stuff. Like trading Sale in favor of signing Giloito.

 

LOLOL....perfect analogy.

[mvp 78]

Would you trade Roman Anthony and Richard Fitts for Garrett Crochet?

 

Given the Sox outfield depth and likely upgrade Crochet provides over Fitts, there is an argument to make this deal…

 

Sure.