Red Sox ownership

[Dipre]

Sox, 30th in the league in spending. Fire Breslow!

[moonslav59]

Sox, 30th in the league in spending. Fire Breslow!

 

Many blamed Bloom for "choosing not to spend."

 

It's funny how now, some see it was JH, all along.

[Old Red]

Many blamed Bloom for "choosing not to spend."

 

It's funny how now, some see it was JH, all along.

 

Many blamed Bloom for not knowing how to spend, and twittleing his thumbs at the trade deadline.

[Bellhorn04]

Many blamed Bloom for "choosing not to spend."

 

It's funny how now, some see it was JH, all along.

 

I think it was a minority that blamed Bloom for the payroll cuts. Most people know who was behind it.

[mvp 78]

Many blamed Bloom for "choosing not to spend."

 

It's funny how now, some see it was JH, all along.

 

I never thought it was Bloom deciding what to spend. I blamed Bloom for not making in season moves.

[mvp 78]

I think it was a minority that blamed Bloom for the payroll cuts. Most people know who was behind it.

 

"Hey John, once you hire me I think it'll be a really good idea for me to just trade Mookie as my first big plan to remake the franchise. It's going to be awesome."

 

I'm sure that's exactly how he was hired.

[Old Red]

"Hey John, once you hire me I think it'll be a really good idea for me to just trade Mookie as my first big plan to remake the franchise. It's going to be awesome."

 

I'm sure that's exactly how he was hired.

AWESOME, and FULL THROTTLE! Let the good times roll.

Edited January 30, 2024 by Old Red

[Old Red]

The O’s have been sold for 1.725 Billion. No it wasn’t JH.

[Nick]

We have $3B to invest in PGA.

[moonslav59]

I think it was a minority that blamed Bloom for the payroll cuts. Most people know who was behind it.

 

Yes, a minority but a vocal one.

 

Certainly, Bloom made his share or more than his share of blunders, non moves and deadline paralyzations.

 

That being said, with 20+ holes in the roster going into 2020 and a paltry budget, it's no wonder he started out behind the eight ball. The following winter budgets barely kept up with players sent packing. In many ways, you get what you pay for.

 

My biggest beef was not focusing more on pitching, but until the Story signing, I'm not sure any long term deals were allowed, and it's hard to sign top pitching on one year deals. He could have done more. He could have done better, even within this context.

[moonslav59]

We have $3B to invest in PGA.

 

It's probably a better investment.

[Randy Red Sox]

Many blamed Bloom for "choosing not to spend."

 

It's funny how now, some see it was JH, all along.

 

believe i said that a long time ago. wonder if Breslow is regretting take the job now?

[moonslav59]

believe i said that a long time ago. wonder if Breslow is regretting take the job now?

 

Maybe, only if they lied or misled him about the plan.

 

He's still got a good job, a nice roster and some young stars on the way.

[jad]

It's really hard to believe either Bloom or Breslow did not know exactly what they were getting into. You'd have to believe, say, that the topic of the budget never came up in the interview. That the names Betts or Ohtani were never mentioned.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe, only if they lied or misled him about the plan.

 

He's still got a good job, a nice roster and some young stars on the way.

 

Gun to my head, I say yes, they did lie or mislead him about the payroll.

 

He's got a good paycheck, I'm sure.

 

Nice roster? If you call a roster that's projected to be about .500 but could easily be under again, sure.

 

Stars on the way? We hope.

[mvp 78]

Yes, a minority but a vocal one.

 

Certainly, Bloom made his share or more than his share of blunders, non moves and deadline paralyzations.

 

That being said, with 20+ holes in the roster going into 2020 and a paltry budget, it's no wonder he started out behind the eight ball. The following winter budgets barely kept up with players sent packing. In many ways, you get what you pay for.

 

My biggest beef was not focusing more on pitching, but until the Story signing, I'm not sure any long term deals were allowed, and it's hard to sign top pitching on one year deals. He could have done more. He could have done better, even within this context.

 

This is a lot of excuse making for Bloom.

[mvp 78]

believe i said that a long time ago. wonder if Breslow is regretting take the job now?

 

I think most people are giving s*** to ownership now and realize it's not the CBO's fault anymore.

[moonslav59]

Gun to my head, I say yes, they did lie or mislead him about the payroll.

 

He's got a good paycheck, I'm sure.

 

Nice roster? If you call a roster that's projected to be about .500 but could easily be under again, sure.

 

Stars on the way? We hope.

 

It's a nicer roster than half the league.

 

Our farm is ranked top 3-8, everywhere. It may not work out well, but I'd rather be 3rd than 23rd.

[mvp 78]

It's a nicer roster than half the league.

 

Our farm is ranked top 3-8, everywhere. It may not work out well, but I'd rather be 3rd than 23rd.

 

Pitching is ranked 29th.....................

[moonslav59]

This is a lot of excuse making for Bloom.

 

He should have spent the Story and Yoshida money on pitching, assuming they'd have let him.

 

Instead of $10M on Kluber + $7M on Duvall, maybe spending $17M on a pitcher would have been a better idea.

 

I'm not arguing Bloom was a great GM: he was far from one, but there should be context involved, just like many are seeing with Brez.

 

Did he, or did he not have a horrific bottom 15-22 of the roster going into 2020?

 

Did he, or did he not see no meaningful farm infusion, other than Houck for about a 5 year period?

 

Did he, or did he not see a massive budget cut, year one, and then a slow return to even near 2019 spending levels over the next 4 years?

 

Bloom is deserving of a lot of criticism, but this context is important to the overall picture. Is it not?

 

It's not excuse making to point out the difficult circumstances he faced.

 

He failed at what he was hired to do, except for MAYBE building up the farm.

He failed on changing the system to better produce top pitchers.

He failed to land any meaningful SP'ers, even at bargain rates. (Wacha and Hill were his best two, and they cost less than Richards and Kluber.)

He failed to make bold moves, at the deadline, except for the Schwarber trade, and maybe the Pivetta deal back in 2020.

He failed to quickly address obvious holes that developed on the 26 man roster, beyond just the rotation- like SS in 2023, 1B and RF in '22, the pen in '21 and '22, plus a few others.

He seemingly failed on a large majority of his largest signings. (Story & Yoshida are still pending to various degrees.)

He forced Cora to play players out of position, way too often.

 

The context may have limited his abilities in some of these areas, but he failed to get them done.

[moonslav59]

Pitching is ranked 29th.....................

 

Yup.

 

A major flaw, for sure.

 

Truthfully, is our team as good or better than other teams around #14 and #15 in MLB?

 

Our tough schedule and division make us look worse than some teams in easier situations. IMO, we are better than 15 teams, despite worse pitching. It's not by a long shot. We are very close to several teams.

 

IMO, we are maybe one top SP'er away from being 10th to 12th (maybe 8th or 9th, if a bunch of stuff goes right.)

 

IMO, we are 2 top SP'ers away from being a top 7-9 team. (I'm sure many other teams can say the same, and there is no indication we are planning on adding even one solid SP'er.)

[Old Red]

This is a lot of excuse making for Bloom.

 

What do you expect from a Bloom guy?🙈🤭

[Old Red]

He should have spent the Story and Yoshida money on pitching, assuming they'd have let him.

 

Instead of $10M on Kluber + $7M on Duvall, maybe spending $17M on a pitcher would have been a better idea.

 

I'm not arguing Bloom was a great GM: he was far from one, but there should be context involved, just like many are seeing with Brez.

 

Did he, or did he not have a horrific bottom 15-22 of the roster going into 2020?

 

Did he, or did he not see no meaningful farm infusion, other than Houck for about a 5 year period?

 

Did he, or did he not see a massive budget cut, year one, and then a slow return to even near 2019 spending levels over the next 4 years?

 

Bloom is deserving of a lot of criticism, but this context is important to the overall picture. Is it not?

 

It's not excuse making to point out the difficult circumstances he faced.

 

He failed at what he was hired to do, except for MAYBE building up the farm.

He failed on changing the system to better produce top pitchers.

He failed to land any meaningful SP'ers, even at bargain rates. (Wacha and Hill were his best two, and they cost less than Richards and Kluber.)

He failed to make bold moves, at the deadline, except for the Schwarber trade, and maybe the Pivetta deal back in 2020.

He failed to quickly address obvious holes that developed on the 26 man roster, beyond just the rotation- like SS in 2023, 1B and RF in '22, the pen in '21 and '22, plus a few others.

He seemingly failed on a large majority of his largest signings. (Story & Yoshida are still pending to various degrees.)

He forced Cora to play players out of position, way too often.

 

The context may have limited his abilities in some of these areas, but he failed to get them done.

 

Oh the context, and the horrible working conditions that Bloom had to work under.

[Bellhorn04]

It's a nicer roster than half the league.

 

Being around .500 is "nice" now? Are you serious?

[Old Red]

Yup.

 

A major flaw, for sure.

 

Truthfully, is our team as good or better than other teams around #14 and #15 in MLB?

 

Our tough schedule and division make us look worse than some teams in easier situations. IMO, we are better than 15 teams, despite worse pitching. It's not by a long shot. We are very close to several teams.

 

IMO, we are maybe one top SP'er away from being 10th to 12th (maybe 8th or 9th, if a bunch of stuff goes right.)

 

IMO, we are 2 top SP'ers away from being a top 7-9 team. (I'm sure many other teams can say the same, and there is no indication we are planning on adding even one solid SP'er.)

 

Oh that GD tough schedule, and tough division that the Red Sox have to play in again. It’s a wonder they ever came in first place before not to mention win a WS. I could give a s*** how many teams the Red Sox are better than if they can’t make the PS. Loser attitude at best. Like Cora says it doesn’t matter what your farm ranking is.

[Old Red]

Being around .500 is "nice" now? Are you serious?

 

You really have to ask him that question?

[Bellhorn04]

Oh that GD tough schedule, and tough division that the Red Sox have to play in again. It’s a wonder they ever came in first place before not to mention win a WS. I could give a s*** how many teams the Red Sox are better than if they can’t make the PS. Loser attitude at best. Like Cora says it doesn’t matter what your farm ranking is.

 

I'd love to have Cora's true thoughts on this offseason right now.

[Old Red]

I'd love to have Cora's true thoughts on this offseason right now.

 

Me too. He’s been awfully quiet.

[Bellhorn04]

You really have to ask him that question?

 

I can't believe moon is actually saying "Mediocrity is Nice" now.

[moonslav59]

I can't believe moon is actually saying "Mediocrity is Nice" now.

 

No. Far from it.

 

I'm just saying that Brez was not handed an awful roster and farm. He has something to work with.

 

We need SP'ers, and I doubt he can fix that without the okay to spend big money on it, soon.

 

It will take years to fix the farm pitching development issues.

 

Saying Brez has a "nicer roster" than half the league is NOT saying I'm okay with it.