Red Sox ownership

[notin]

Horrible manager.

 

You’re a horrible manager!

[jad]

So now Warner walks back his "full throttle" comment, claiming what he REALLY meant was "pressing all levers." An even worse metaphor, in that humans operate throttles, rats in a Skinner black boxes press levers.

[notin]

He inherited a good team and made it great.

 

It wasn’t just a good team; the team he inherited was arguably great.

 

But to argue Cora was the one who ran it into the ground is more than a little bit presumptuous…

[Old Red]

So now Warner walks back his "full throttle" comment, claiming what he REALLY meant was "pressing all levers." An even worse metaphor, in that humans operate throttles, rats in a Skinner black boxes press levers.

 

Tom has been thinking what to say ever since he made the throttle comment. How nice of him to finally come out, and clarify things, or try to clarify things just before Winter Weekend. All the fans can rest better now.

[Elktonnick]

It wasn’t just a good team; the team he inherited was arguably great.

 

But to argue Cora was the one who ran it into the ground is more than a little bit presumptuous…

2019

[notin]

2019

 

Right. That was all on Cora. And a severe dismantling of that team after one underachieving season…

[jad]

I can think of at least three but there are more. I will let you come up with the list by yourself. If you are honest you will know.

 

You've been repeatedly asked to name these three. Just do it, and stop with the evasive b.s.

[moonslav59]

So now Warner walks back his "full throttle" comment, claiming what he REALLY meant was "pressing all levers." An even worse metaphor, in that humans operate throttles, rats in a Skinner black boxes press levers.

 

Doesn't "all levers" imply financial about as much as full throttle did?

 

[moonslav59]

It wasn’t just a good team; the team he inherited was arguably great.

 

But to argue Cora was the one who ran it into the ground is more than a little bit presumptuous…

 

The pen became a big issue as the regular season ended. Some were suggesting Kelly be left off the playoff roster.

 

Cora was masterful that whole year. The playoffs were a showcase of Cora's ability to be flexible and to allow players to step up and step into roles they were not experienced in. We ha dstarters lining up at his door asking to be used in relief, if needed.

[mvp 78]

You’re a horrible manager!

 

"Houck, you're pitching all 9 today son..."

[mvp 78]

It wasn’t just a good team; the team he inherited was arguably great.

 

But to argue Cora was the one who ran it into the ground is more than a little bit presumptuous…

 

Record in playoffs 2016-17: 1-6. Not great!

Edited January 17, 2024 by mvp 78

[Elktonnick]

You've been repeatedly asked to name these three. Just do it, and stop with the evasive b.s.

 

I did name one. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the others. Those in the tank for Cora do not want to recognize his shortcomings.

Regardless of the backstabbing his cheating compromised his owner and he stole a World series. For that offense alone he should have been banned from baseball. If Landis or Ford Frick had been the commissioner he would have been.

[mvp 78]

I did name one. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the others. Those in the tank for Cora do not want to recognize his shortcomings.

Regardless of the backstabbing his cheating compromised his owner and he stole a World series. For that offense alone he should have been banned from baseball. If Landis or Ford Frick had been the commissioner he would have been.

 

Compromised his owner...............................

[moonslav59]

I did name one. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the others. Those in the tank for Cora do not want to recognize his shortcomings.

Regardless of the backstabbing his cheating compromised his owner and he stole a World series. For that offense alone he should have been banned from baseball. If Landis or Ford Frick had been the commissioner he would have been.

 

What's keeping you from naming all 3?

 

We are not Sherlock.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I did name one. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the others. Those in the tank for Cora do not want to recognize his shortcomings.

Regardless of the backstabbing his cheating compromised his owner and he stole a World series. For that offense alone he should have been banned from baseball. If Landis or Ford Frick had been the commissioner he would have been.

 

Employees of the Astros' analytics department acknowledged they invented the video sign-stealing system before Cora was hired by Houston. Cora admitted he helped implement it, along with the baseball players who confessed to actually using the system to enhance their performances. After pointing their fingers at management, none of the Astros were even banned from one single at bat.

 

If Landis was still commish, they'd be making a new movie about it called "Fifty Men Out."

[jad]

What's keeping you from naming all 3?

 

We are not Sherlock.

 

I think they're written on his meds description.

[dgalehouse]

Tom has been thinking what to say ever since he made the throttle comment. How nice of him to finally come out, and clarify things, or try to clarify things just before Winter Weekend. All the fans can rest better now.

 

Apparently , John Henry will be a no-show at the Winter Weekend. He has a " scheduling conflict ". Lol

[notin]

Record in playoffs 2015-16: 1-6. Not great!

 

 

2-3 years earlier = different team

[mvp 78]

2-3 years earlier = different team

 

Record in playoffs 2015-17: 1-6. Not great!

 

He didn't inherit a great team.

[mvp 78]

Apparently , John Henry will be a no-show at the Winter Weekend. He has a " scheduling conflict ". Lol

 

He couldn't show up to Crag's press conference on time, so.......

[Elktonnick]

Employees of the Astros' analytics department acknowledged they invented the video sign-stealing system before Cora was hired by Houston. Cora admitted he helped implement it, along with the baseball players who confessed to actually using the system to enhance their performances. After pointing their fingers at management, none of the Astros were even banned from one single at bat.

 

If Landis was still commish, they'd be making a new movie about it called "Fifty Men Out."

I love it how so many excuse a lack of integrity.

Cora is a cheat. That is undeniable. He undercut Bloom. That is undeniable. He undercut Hinch but Hinch lacked the strength character to put a stop to it so he looked the other way tacitly allowed it against his better judgment. He undercut his owner who was completely in the dark. about the whole affair.

How anyone can have anything but total disdain for this backstabbing cheater is beyond me. Anyone who excuses his behavior is no better than he.

[mvp 78]

Crane:

 

Doesn't accept responsibility for the cheating without deflecting to the Sox and Yankees.

 

Bristles at the findings that the organization had an "insular culture" that contributed to what happened.

 

Denies that the Astros tanked when he bought the team.

 

Initially said the sign stealing didn't affect the outcome of the games and now just claims his initial statements were the work of bad PR.

 

 

f*** THAT GUY...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I love it how so many excuse a lack of integrity.

Cora is a cheat. That is undeniable. He undercut Bloom. That is undeniable. He undercut Hinch but Hinch lacked the strength character to put a stop to it so he looked the other way tacitly allowed it against his better judgment. He undercut his owner who was completely in the dark. about the whole affair.

How anyone can have anything but total disdain for this backstabbing cheater is beyond me. Anyone who excuses his behavior is no better than he.

 

How blessed we are that there is one poster who knows with certainty that only Houston's manager and owner played no part whatsoever in implementing a system devised by their own analytics department that helped the Astros' players. If only Hinch had more fortitude, and Crane had better hearing (the drumming could be heard on game videos all over the internet), and Luhnow hadn't GMed a front office that presented the scheme he eventually lied about, before throwing the entire organization under the team bus.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Crane:

 

Doesn't accept responsibility for the cheating without deflecting to the Sox and Yankees.

 

Bristles at the findings that the organization had an "insular culture" that contributed to what happened.

 

Denies that the Astros tanked when he bought the team.

 

Initially said the sign stealing didn't affect the outcome of the games and now just claims his initial statements were the work of bad PR.

 

 

f*** THAT GUY...

 

You mean the owner of the club who -- after Manfred's scapegoats were suspended -- actually promoted some of the front office execs who devised the sign-stealing system?

[notin]

Employees of the Astros' analytics department acknowledged they invented the video sign-stealing system before Cora was hired by Houston. Cora admitted he helped implement it, along with the baseball players who confessed to actually using the system to enhance their performances. After pointing their fingers at management, none of the Astros were even banned from one single at bat.

 

If Landis was still commish, they'd be making a new movie about it called "Fifty Men Out."

 

If Landis was still Commish, we really don’t know how he would rule. Since he’s be like 160 years old.

 

He might find the Astros guilty. He also just as likely might find them to be tasty trout…

[Bellhorn04]

I love it how so many excuse a lack of integrity.

Cora is a cheat. That is undeniable. He undercut Bloom. That is undeniable.

 

Undercut Bloom in what way? Are you saying Cora got Bloom fired?

[moonslav59]

Wiki has this...

 

On February 7, 2020, Jared Diamond of The Wall Street Journal published a report of previously undisclosed details uncovered by the MLB investigation, drawn from a letter sent by Manfred to Luhnow on January 2, 2020, that was obtained by the Journal and interviews with sources.[135] According to the article, the sign stealing scandal originated in September 2016 when an intern named Derek Vigoa, who later became the Astros senior manager for team operations, gave Luhnow a PowerPoint presentation on what he called "Codebreaker", a Microsoft Excel-based program used by front office staff to log and decode opposing catchers signs and then communicate them to baserunners who would relay them to hitters. The report said Codebreaker was enhanced in June 2017 when the trash can scheme was developed. The report also said that Codebreaker was used both at home and on the road and Astros personnel continued to use it into the 2018 season. The sign-stealing operations were referred to as "dark arts" within the Astros front office.[136]

 

Diamond's report quoted emails from Luhnow and Astros employees who said Luhnow was not only aware of but also enthusiastic about the sign stealing operations, even though he denied knowledge of them to MLB and in public statements.[137] In a subsequent Journal article, Diamond quoted an email sent by an Astros employee named Tom Koch-Weser to his colleagues which read, "'I don't want to electronically correspond too much about 'the system' but Cora/Cintrón/Beltrán have been driving a culture initiated by Bregman/Vigoa last year and I think it's working,' Koch-Weser wrote. 'I have no proof that it has worked, but we get real good dope on pitchers tipping and being lazy. That information, if it's not already, will eventually yield major results in our favor once players get used to the implementation.'"[138] The article also quotes Manfred's January 2 letter to Luhnow as saying, "'Most or all Astros players were active participants in the Banging Scheme by the conclusion of the 2017 World Series. ... The Banging Scheme was so prevalent,' Manfred wrote, 'that witnesses regularly describe that everyone in and around the Astros dugout was presumptively aware of it.'"

[moonslav59]

Undercut Bloom in what way? Are you saying Cora got Bloom fired?

 

Elk is not the only poster who believes this.

[oldtimer]

Fool Me Once, Shame on You; Fool Me Twice, Shame on Me

 

My view of Red Sox ownership

[jad]

If Landis was still Commish, we really don’t know how he would rule. Since he’s be like 160 years old.

 

He might find the Astros guilty. He also just as likely might find them to be tasty trout…

 

He also would have been able to maintain his high moral stature without having to worry about, you know, those black people.