Red Sox ownership

[notin]

We already are, aren’t we?

 

The lottery makes punting even more pointless than it was in 2021…

[Bellhorn04]

The lottery makes punting even more pointless than it was in 2021…

 

On that point it's pointless.

 

But it still saves money and boosts the bottom line just as much!

[notin]

On that point it's pointless.

 

But it still saves money and boosts the bottom line just as much!

 

Unless I’m right and there is something in those players that is better than you realize.

 

Manaea was lights out through August/September in bulk relief/starter roles using multiple metrics. Keller has some topflight velocity someone needs to help straighten out. Like maybe someone who fixed Gausman. Chirinos was a solid pitcher prior to TJ. Urena is someone I’ve always felt should not be starting, but he has an elite arm. Fujinami throws 100mph.

 

Nothing there? Not every player in MLB is going to be a call Star, but they all are among the 780 best players in the world. And any elite talent can shine in that environment…

[moonslav59]

That wasn’t the part that was missing. (Hint: most likely what would be missing is Paxton in June, July and August.)

 

Yes, one year contract- maybe one month of pitching.

[Bellhorn04]

Unless I’m right and there is something in those players that is better than you realize.

 

Manaea was lights out through August/September in bulk relief/starter roles using multiple metrics. Keller has some topflight velocity someone needs to help straighten out. Like maybe someone who fixed Gausman. Chirinos was a solid pitcher prior to TJ. Urena is someone I’ve always felt should not be starting, but he has an elite arm. Fujinami throws 100mph.

 

Nothing there? Not every player in MLB is going to be a call Star, but they all are among the 780 best players in the world. And any elite talent can shine in that environment…

 

I think it's good that someone is able to maintain their optimism here.

[notin]

Yes, one year contract- maybe one month of pitching.

 

Pass on Paxton. I’d prefer my list of Wretched Refuse that will show up for work…

[notin]

I think it's good that someone is able to maintain their optimism here.

 

That’s because so far they’ve only missed out on Sonny Gray.

 

Ohtani and Yamamoto struck me as pipe dreams. And very risky ones at that.

 

I was never high on Nola, but he clearly preferred to stay in Philly.

 

So… just Gray, who I was high on.

 

Everyone else is still out there. Unless you really like Wacha, who, if he were unsigned and on my list, would you still call it punting?

[moonslav59]

Pass on Paxton. I’d prefer my list of Wretched Refuse that will show up for work…

 

I’m not so sure about more playing time, but more likely, yes.

 

Hey, why not just throw the ML ready kids out there and get a better read on who to keep around for the big push in ‘26?

 

Dalbec

Gambrell

Murphy & Walter’s last look

DHam

Rafaela & Abreu

Kelly and Guerrero

Slaten and Mata

See if Crawford can start 29+ games

 

Punting can serve other purposes besides better draft picks and bonus pool monies.

[moonslav59]

That’s because so far they’ve only missed out on Sonny Gray.

 

Ohtani and Yamamoto struck me as pipe dreams. And very risky ones at that.

 

I was never high on Nola, but he clearly preferred to stay in Philly.

 

So… just Gray, who I was high on.

 

Everyone else is still out there. Unless you really like Wacha, who, if he were unsigned and on my list, would you still call it punting?

 

Gray and ERod or Gray and Wacha would have given a glimmer of hope, assuming we also make a nice upgrade at 2B.

[jad]

What exactly is the benefit? Besides saving money?

 

Greater chances in the draft lottery that might help the 2028 team?

 

You answered your own question, no? More money in ownership pockets--the sole purpose of all businesses.

[Bellhorn04]

Everyone else is still out there. Unless you really like Wacha, who, if he were unsigned and on my list, would you still call it punting?

 

I liked Wacha or Lugo-

 

as a reasonably priced supplemental piece, not as our big splash of the offseason.

[notin]

I liked Wacha or Lugo-

 

as a reasonably priced supplemental piece, not as our big splash of the offseason.

 

Wacha is more bargain basement. I’d take Manaea over Wacha.

 

Pass on Lugo. He’s a top tier reliever turned acceptable starter with unknown durability…

[Duran Is The Man]

2028 might be the new target date for trying.

 

Why not 2038? I’m sure Henry would be fine with that.

[Duran Is The Man]

I might rather have Paxton and Merrifield on 1 year deals.

 

Would you like to have Mondesei too? I’m sure he’d be happy to take a couple million to “rehab” again.

[Bellhorn04]

Wacha is more bargain basement. I’d take Manaea over Wacha.

 

There's little to choose between them.

 

Manaea career fWAR per 150 IP - 1.97

Wacha career fWAR per 150 IP - 1.88

 

Projected 2024 fWAR

 

Manaea 2.0

Wacha 1.6

[Bellhorn04]

According to Spotrac, the Sox were 13th in team payroll for 2023.

 

If they're 13th or lower again in 2024, there's nowhere for this ownership to hide. Especially after firing Bloom and the "full throttle" sound bite.

[Old Red]

According to Spotrac, the Sox were 13th in team payroll for 2023.

 

If they're 13th or lower again in 2024, there's nowhere for this ownership to hide. Especially after firing Bloom and the "full throttle" sound bite.

 

A piece of coal from Uncle Henry to all Red Sox fans for Christmas.

[Bellhorn04]

A piece of coal from Uncle Henry to all Red Sox fans for Christmas.

 

It's unbelievable at this point, Red, it really is.

 

There are some moves coming, there have to be.

[Old Red]

It's unbelievable at this point, Red, it really is.

 

There are some moves coming, there have to be.

 

Agree. I can’t believe there wouldn’t be.

[Dipre]

I don't give a rat's ass whether Henry is likeable or not. All that matters is him getting the right people and spending money. I will say, once again though, while some of the vitriol is very well deserved, that a) the offseason is still young, and for being a group of fans that suffered through decades of not winning anything, our entitlement is showing. Let's at least see what the offseason actually ends up producing k?

[cp176]

I don't give a rat's ass whether Henry is likeable or not. All that matters is him getting the right people and spending money. I will say, once again though, while some of the vitriol is very well deserved, that a) the offseason is still young, and for being a group of fans that suffered through decades of not winning anything, our entitlement is showing. Let's at least see what the offseason actually ends up producing k?

 

I'm one of those fans who suffered through the years but I am as disappointed as I have ever been right now. Most years, it felt anyway that there might be good reason to expect things to be better gong in to the next season. I don't feel that way now. Maybe it has to do with misleading media, the extreme total cost of going to a game to watch a second rate product, or maybe it is just my age. I really do hope that it is a little too early to tune out on next year's season.

[Dipre]

I'm one of those fans who suffered through the years but I am as disappointed as I have ever been right now. Most years, it felt anyway that there might be good reason to expect things to be better gong in to the next season. I don't feel that way now. Maybe it has to do with misleading media, the extreme total cost of going to a game to watch a second rate product, or maybe it is just my age. I really do hope that it is a little too early to tune out on next year's season.

 

Oh God no. Even with the crappy finishes, nothing trumps the constant "70 years, 71 years", up to "86 years" BS I had to suffer from Yankees fans. F that

[moonslav59]

I'm one of those fans who suffered through the years but I am as disappointed as I have ever been right now. Most years, it felt anyway that there might be good reason to expect things to be better gong in to the next season. I don't feel that way now. Maybe it has to do with misleading media, the extreme total cost of going to a game to watch a second rate product, or maybe it is just my age. I really do hope that it is a little too early to tune out on next year's season.

 

This is worse than the time we traded Lynn, Burly, Lee, Cooper and lost Fisk by not offering him a contract on time?

 

There were other long stretches of little to no hopes.

[mvp 78]

They've brought us 4 rings, but lately they seem to have turned into penny-pinchers who are more interested in their FSG empire and in keeping the Red Sox books balanced regardless of losing seasons. Would you like to see them sell? I'm about at the point where I wouldn't be displeased to hear some rumors about a sale. Obviously it all depends who the prospective buyers are. But it really seems like Henry and Werner don't care that much about the Sox any more.

 

I don't believe Henry and Werner are a unified front and see eye to eye on everything.

[mvp 78]

As long as the Sox are reportedly semi-throttle, the cheaper names that might actually work out besides Giolito/Stroman/Montas

 

 

Sean Manaea

Brad Keller

Jose Urena (but only as a reliever)

Yonny Chirinos (assuming he can start)

Shintaro Fujinami (bullpen)

 

 

The only guarantee is no one will get excited…

 

Those names are rotten.

[mvp 78]

The lottery makes punting even more pointless than it was in 2021…

 

A lottery only makes punting pointless if you had the #1 pick in the prior draft.

[moonslav59]

It’s still better to have the 5th pick than 15-20.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't believe Henry and Werner are a unified front and see eye to eye on everything.

 

I'm sure they don't. Kind of seems like Henry has the last word.

[mvp 78]

Unless I’m right and there is something in those players that is better than you realize.

 

Manaea was lights out through August/September in bulk relief/starter roles using multiple metrics. Keller has some topflight velocity someone needs to help straighten out. Like maybe someone who fixed Gausman. Chirinos was a solid pitcher prior to TJ. Urena is someone I’ve always felt should not be starting, but he has an elite arm. Fujinami throws 100mph.

 

Nothing there? Not every player in MLB is going to be a call Star, but they all are among the 780 best players in the world. And any elite talent can shine in that environment…

Huh? Manaea had 4.89 ERA/3.81 xFIP in 81 innings. That's not lights out numbers for a bulk relief role. That dude stinks and is not an effective starter. If he couldn't pitch with SDP's defense behind him, he shouldn't pitch at Fenway.

[mvp 78]

The sheer amount of blue on Keller's statcast page should keep notin awake at night, but I'm not worried about the Sox signing him since he's awful at generating whiffs.

 

8th percentile xwOBA! Yuck!