Craig Breslow hired as Head Of Baseball Operations

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

BTV is as useless as the speculation on here. I’m sure the scouting report on Duran is based off BTV. As for speculation, which runs rampant on here like some even speculating that the Yam Man would be in the Red Sox rotation.. Of course we can never forget the speculation of all the BTV suggested trades for the Red Sox on here that never happen either, but fear not as your speculation is last to none.

 

But if we stopped speculating, how much fun would it be to be a fan of a club whose leaders just aren't fans of their fans?

 

The Red Sox have become a processed food that changed their recipe from using natural ingredients to cheaper artificial sweeteners. Young consumers don't know any better, but old guys notice the difference in distaste... and more old rats keep getting cancer.

 

Even the size of Sox cereal boxes and cans for Boston baked beans have shrunk.

[Old Red]

But if we stopped speculating, how much fun would it be to be a fan of a club whose leaders just aren't fans of their fans?

 

The Red Sox have become a processed food that changed their recipe from using natural ingredients to cheaper artificial sweeteners. Young consumers don't know any better, but old guys notice the difference in distaste... and more old rats keep getting cancer.

 

Even the size of Sox cereal boxes and cans for Boston baked beans have shrunk.

 

Speculate all you want, but it doesn’t sound like anyone is having any fun with all the pouting, and shouting over the current state of the Red Sox, because of any

, or not any speculative movements of the team up to this point.

[Hugh2]

BTV accepts this trade:

 

Brandon Walter

Chase Meidroth

Bryan Mata

David Hamilton

John Schreiber

Nick Yorke

 

For Corbin Burnes

[Hugh2]

BTV has Duran valued highly enough to bring us a really good pitcher, but I agree.

 

I don't think Duran is ever going to bring an ACE in though, not unless he's the second piece. I can see him bringing in a young arm with years of control who may have a ceiling of being a #3 at best, maybe a #4 type.

[Bellhorn04]

Montgomery pitched better than Burnes last year.

 

Call me crazy, but I get more excited at the idea of obtaining Montgomery for nothing but money than I do about trading for one year of Burnes who says he has to be blown away to sign an extension.

[Old Red]

Montgomery pitched better than Burnes last year.

 

Call me crazy, but I get more excited at the idea of obtaining Montgomery for nothing but money than I do about trading for one year of Burnes who says he has to be blown away to sign an extension.

If those were your only 2 options I would agree, but that’s really limiting yourself if your the Red Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

If those were your only 2 options I would agree, but that’s really limiting yourself if your the Red Sox.

 

And nobody really knows what better options there are. Montgomery is the best FA left, that's pretty hard to argue.

[Old Red]

And nobody really knows what better options there are. Montgomery is the best FA left, that's pretty hard to argue.

 

Not arguing that, but it doesn’t sound like the Red Sox are going to meet his asking price, and i won’t blame them for that at all.

[Bellhorn04]

Not arguing that, but it doesn’t sound like the Red Sox are going to meet his asking price, and i won’t blame them for that at all.

 

Well, I sure hope you don't expect them to meet Burnes's price either. That's the problem with a lot of these trade ideas. You're still going to have to shell out a lot of money if you expect to have the pitcher more than a year or two.

 

Like I say, the next Pedro Trade just ain't out there.

[Old Red]

Well, I sure hope you don't expect them to meet Burnes's price either. That's the problem with a lot of these trade ideas. You're still going to have to shell out a lot of money if you expect to have the pitcher more than a year or two.

 

Like I say, the next Pedro Trade just ain't out there.

 

You guys keep bringing up Burnes like he’s the only pitcher out there that could come in a trade, so once again you guys are really limiting things. It’s like last year when I was told by more than 1 poster on here that the Red Sox couldn’t do better with $10M than Kike. I’ve said all along I want some young pitching in a trade with some control of years left. I don’t know who is out there, but that’s what Slow Mo gets paid the big Buck for.

[Hugh2]

Honestly, the more I look into it the less and less I want montgomery. He doesn't miss bats, he doesn't throw that hard, and one wonders if his stuff takes a tick down how hard he's really going to get hit. His contract could get really ugly in just a year or two.

 

Snell carries a lot of risk too, but his pure stuff is just night/day better. I don't think we are in on him, but he would make more sense for Breslow, he likes stuff, and Jordan doesn't have his kind of stuff.

 

We might be picking from the Stroman/Giolito/Lorenzen/Paxton group. And he may or may not go out and trade for a guy, and if he does.....it probably a name we're not talking about (such as Burnes).

[Old Red]

Honestly, the more I look into it the less and less I want montgomery. He doesn't miss bats, he doesn't throw that hard, and one wonders if his stuff takes a tick down how hard he's really going to get hit. His contract could get really ugly in just a year or two.

 

Snell carries a lot of risk too, but his pure stuff is just night/day better. I don't think we are in on him, but he would make more sense for Breslow, he likes stuff, and Jordan doesn't have his kind of stuff.

 

We might be picking from the Stroman/Giolito/Lorenzen/Paxton group. And he may or may not go out and trade for a guy, and if he does.....it probably a name we're not talking about (such as Burnes).

Monty, and Snell are the two best FA available, but just, because they are available I don’t think are WORTH all the fuss, and bother.

[notin]

BTV is as useless as the speculation on here. I’m sure the scouting report on Duran is based off BTV. As for speculation, which runs rampant on here like some even speculating that the Yam Man would be in the Red Sox rotation.🙈. Of course we can never forget the speculation of all the BTV suggested trades for the Red Sox on here that never happen either, but fear not as your speculation is last to none.

 

 

Actually BTV is based on a combination of projection sites like Steamer, ZiPS, ATC or FGDC. Do you think teams don’t use projections?

 

Sorry if BTV is too specific for you. Should we limit all conversation to say-nothing vagueries, like your contributions?

[notin]

BTV accepts this trade:

 

Brandon Walter

Chase Meidroth

Bryan Mata

David Hamilton

John Schreiber

Nick Yorke

 

For Corbin Burnes

 

 

I don’t think Milwaukee is going to go for the “quantity over quality” deal there…

[Hugh2]

Actually BTV is based on a combination of projection sites like Steamer, ZiPS, ATC or FGDC. Do you think teams don’t use projections?

 

Sorry if BTV is too specific for you. Should we limit all conversation to say-nothing vagueries, like your contributions?

 

Teams also use their own internal projection systems. We could only imagine how much they vary from player to player.

 

BTV is a useful tool, but it's not the be all end all, and it certainly can not take into account team needs, and teams internal evaluations.

 

75% of the time I use it, I'm just effing with people.

[Hugh2]

I don’t think Milwaukee is going to go for the “quantity over quality” deal there…

 

see above lol.

 

Wasn't joking that much on my last one, I forgot how deep they were in the outfield.

[notin]

Teams also use their own internal projection systems. We could only imagine how much they vary from player to player.

 

BTV is a useful tool, but it's not the be all end all, and it certainly can not take into account team needs, and teams internal evaluations.

 

75% of the time I use it, I'm just effing with people.

 

BTV tells you if a trade is fair. It can’t tell you of both teams are interested. But it has caused a significant reduction in lopsided trade proposals that only made sense for one team. “Hey the Sox should trade Yorke, Dalbec, Hamilton and Murphy for Spencer Strider!” type deals…

[notin]

see above lol.

 

Wasn't joking that much on my last one, I forgot how deep they were in the outfield.

 

Personally I get passing on Burnes, since he is so insistent on testing the market and the Sox are unlikely to blow him away. He doesn’t even seem concerned about poorly timed injuries ruining his free agency, like it did to his teammate Brandon Woodruff. If a pitcher isn’t worried about injury, you have no chance at getting him to extend early for less…

[Old Red]

Actually BTV is based on a combination of projection sites like Steamer, ZiPS, ATC or FGDC. Do you think teams don’t use projections?

 

Sorry if BTV is too specific for you. Should we limit all conversation to say-nothing vagueries, like your contributions?

 

You can use BTV all you want, but to me it’s useless. Difference of option. I’ll ask again when has a BTV suggested trade for the Red Sox happened on here? Like I keep saying that BTV, and speculations for the Red Sox have led to nothing but pouting, and shouting, and long faces. That doesn’t sound like much fun to me, but different strokes for different folks. For me my speculations have pretty much played out so far, so I’m just sitting back relaxing, and taking everything in. Did you hear the Red Sox had a meeting with the Yam Man? I guess they just wanted to meet him.

[notin]

You can use BTV all you want, but to me it’s useless. Difference of option. I’ll ask again when has a BTV suggested trade for the Red Sox happened on here? Like I keep saying that BTV, and speculations for the Red Sox have led to nothing but pouting, and shouting, and long faces. That doesn’t sound like much fun to me, but different strokes for different folks. For me my speculations have pretty much played out so far, so I’m just sitting back relaxing, and taking everything in. Did you hear the Red Sox had a meeting with the Yam Man? I guess they just wanted to meet him.

 

 

Name one non-BTV trade that has happened. Name one free agent recommendation that has happened.

 

Like people keep saying, BTV just tells you a trade is fair.

 

For example, you keep saying the Sox should get young pitchers with multiple years of control. Of course you won’t actually name any, but thank you for at least limiting it to MLB players.

 

Dylan Cease and Edward Cabrera are two available names that fit that bill. What would be a good deal for Cease? That’s where BTV is useful. It can’t tell you Boston is interested in Cease and Chicago is interested in the specific combination like you seem to think is necessary. But it at least tells you what is fair. And that’s all anyone needs it for…

[moonslav59]

BTV is as useless as the speculation on here. I’m sure the scouting report on Duran is based off BTV. As for speculation, which runs rampant on here like some even speculating that the Yam Man would be in the Red Sox rotation.🙈. Of course we can never forget the speculation of all the BTV suggested trades for the Red Sox on here that never happen either, but fear not as your speculation is last to none.

 

Ummm, I said I agreed Duran’s value was not enough to get a really good pitcher by himself.

 

Also, I think only one poster felt Yamo was coming here.

[moonslav59]

Speculate all you want, but it doesn’t sound like anyone is having any fun with all the pouting, and shouting over the current state of the Red Sox, because of any

, or not any speculative movements of the team up to this point.

 

Speculating does not have to be about having fun.

 

We look for possible ways to improve the team. We opine on paying certain amounts for FAs we think we might have signed or not, if the choice was up to us.

 

I’m not sure why it seems to bother anyone who does not do it.

[moonslav59]

You can use BTV all you want, but to me it’s useless. Difference of option. I’ll ask again when has a BTV suggested trade for the Red Sox happened on here? Like I keep saying that BTV, and speculations for the Red Sox have led to nothing but pouting, and shouting, and long faces. That doesn’t sound like much fun to me, but different strokes for different folks. For me my speculations have pretty much played out so far, so I’m just sitting back relaxing, and taking everything in. Did you hear the Red Sox had a meeting with the Yam Man? I guess they just wanted to meet him.

 

Why does the fact that suggested trades on BTV don’t happen mean it’s useless?

 

Is that what it’s meant for?

[moonslav59]

Name one non-BTV trade that has happened. Name one free agent recommendation that has happened.

 

Like people keep saying, BTV just tells you a trade is fair.

 

For example, you keep saying the Sox should get young pitchers with multiple years of control. Of course you won’t actually name any, but thank you for at least limiting it to MLB players.

 

Dylan Cease and Edward Cabrera are two available names that fit that bill. What would be a good deal for Cease? That’s where BTV is useful. It can’t tell you Boston is interested in Cease and Chicago is interested in the specific combination like you seem to think is necessary. But it at least tells you what is fair. And that’s all anyone needs it for…

 

Indeed. It’s also pretty good at pointing out Dalbec and Mata for Cease won’t work.

 

It exposes the absurd trades suggested by some.

 

It’s easy to say we should trade for young pitchers, then beat your chest on how you were right, but giving no suggested offers is more lame than blaming others for actually trying to suggest what might be possible.

[moonslav59]

You can use BTV all you want, but to me it’s useless. Difference of option. I’ll ask again when has a BTV suggested trade for the Red Sox happened on here?.

 

If usefulness is determined by getting a suggested trade right, name one thing you suggested we do that we have done? Even in general.

 

How “useful” are your suggestions, then, if none ever come true?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Until any Red Sox CBO this decade spends more than $10 million on a starting pitcher, we really can't anticipate big trades for established extension-candidates.

 

Maybe the "blockbuster" of hope only entails the Sox acquiring hurlers they can control... quite possibly, youngsters familiar with new faces in charge.

 

MLB.com just heaped some high praise on the Cubs' farm system... perhaps Breslow swings a deal for an arm he once prized, or even helped recruit?

 

Another swap might also involve a prospect or two that Boston's new pitching coach once mentored in the San Francisco system.

 

Such scenarios make more sense in a rebuild, instead of (forbid) investing good money on a roster before it's actually good...

[moonslav59]

Until any Red Sox CBO this decade spends more than $10 million on a starting pitcher, we really can't anticipate big trades for established extension-candidates.

 

Maybe the "blockbuster" of hope only entails the Sox acquiring hurlers they can control... quite possibly, youngsters familiar with new faces in charge.

 

MLB.com just heaped some high praise on the Cubs' farm system... perhaps Breslow swings a deal for an arm he once prized, or even helped recruit?

 

Another swap might also involve a prospect or two that Boston's new pitching coach once mentored in the San Francisco system.

 

Such scenarios make more sense in a rebuild, instead of (forbid) investing good money on a roster before it's actually good...

 

To me, this looks like the only real hope for 2024: trade a top 3 prospect and maybe some others for a young pitcher with 3 or more years of control.

 

I’ve suggested several I feel are worth the dice roll, but as was pointed out by the master pouter, none ever come true, so it’s useless being specific about some possible good moves.

 

Keep it simple: trade suspects for great young pitchers and call it a day.

[Hugh2]

Personally I get passing on Burnes, since he is so insistent on testing the market and the Sox are unlikely to blow him away. He doesn’t even seem concerned about poorly timed injuries ruining his free agency, like it did to his teammate Brandon Woodruff. If a pitcher isn’t worried about injury, you have no chance at getting him to extend early for less…

 

I would still consider him considering on what the price tag is. He's a premium player that will cost you something, but him positioning himself as an absolute 1 year rental is going to hurt the Brewers return if they do in fact chose to move him.

[notin]

I would still consider him considering on what the price tag is. He's a premium player that will cost you something, but him positioning himself as an absolute 1 year rental is going to hurt the Brewers return if they do in fact chose to move him.

 

It might hurt their return, but it’s still the best case scenario for Milwaukee…

[moonslav59]

It might hurt their return, but it’s still the best case scenario for Milwaukee…

 

The way the Sox are not even keeping players like Betts and Bogey, I’m pretty sure Burnes will bolt.

 

He’s a damn good pitcher- an ace IMO, but we are not a team looking for a rental to win it all in 2024. Not even close.