Playoffs

[Hugh2]

Some GMs, too…

I’m also not so certain anyone on this site has said defense doesn’t matter.

 

As a matter of fact the people salivating over Schwarber are the ones who don’t value defense enough because he was literally the worse outfielder in all of baseball the past 2 years.

[Hugh2]

Really they could have brought him back to play 1b. Not like Cordero/Dalbec/Hosmer anchored that position memorably…

 

I would have been ok with it. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

 

But, hindsight again is 20/20 Dalbec was looking pretty good at the end of 2021

[moonslav59]

I would have been ok with it. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

 

But, hindsight again is 20/20 Dalbec was looking pretty good at the end of 2021

 

Indeed, there was a reason Schwarber played mostly LF in 2021.

 

By the end of 2021, Dalbec had 545 career PAs and an .819 OPS (114 OPS+.)

Per 650 PAs, his line would have been: .244 41 120, which is almost exactly what Schwarber's is, now.

Although he had a horrible playoffs, he was a big part of us getting there. He finished the '21 season with an .867 OPS over his last 103 games (345 PAs). Over that stretch he averaged this over 650: .256 44 120.

 

Bobby Dee is a good cautionary tale on not getting your hopes up too highly based on a players first 300 to 600 PAs.

[dgalehouse]

The Phillies caught a break when Harper was able to adjust to first base so quickly , enabling Schwarber to D H. Another thing with Schwarber is that , in addition to the home runs and strikeouts, he draws a lot of walks. His OBP is pretty good.

[dgalehouse]

The scoreboard tells the story. Schwarber is playing in the NLCS , possibly the World Series. And he is a big part of why the Phils are there. I don't think there is any doubt about that.

[moonslav59]

The Phillies caught a break when Harper was able to adjust to first base so quickly , enabling Schwarber to D H. Another thing with Schwarber is that , in addition to the home runs and strikeouts, he draws a lot of walks. His OBP is pretty good.

 

No doubt. Keeping Schwarber over Dalbec would have been the right move, no matter the added cost.

 

We still would not have made the playoffs in 2022 or 2023. That's the "scoreboard," too.

[notin]

No doubt. Keeping Schwarber over Dalbec would have been the right move, no matter the added cost.

 

We still would not have made the playoffs in 2022 or 2023. That's the "scoreboard," too.

 

Better pitching. Even at the deadline would have been ok…

[moonslav59]

Better pitching. Even at the deadline would have been ok…

 

Even that would not have been enough.

 

In hindsight, we should have gone full firesale in '22 and '23.

[a700hitter]

Dude, back In august of 2021 you were leading the charge against the trade.

 

Bloom was dumb, gave us crap, and trades for Injured garbage.

 

It’s almost as if…..:peoples opinions are emotionally charged because they watched a game last night.

Trading for a guy on the FL with a pulled hamstring is never a good idea. But after he was here and with his history with the bat, it was dumb to let him go. Those positions are not mutually exclusive.

[moonslav59]

Trading for a guy on the FL with a pulled hamstring is never a good idea. But after he was here and with his history with the bat, it was dumb to let him go. Those positions are not mutually exclusive.

 

"Let him go?"

 

He was a FA and he had the choice- not us.

[notin]

Trading for a guy on the FL with a pulled hamstring is never a good idea. But after he was here and with his history with the bat, it was dumb to let him go. Those positions are not mutually exclusive.

 

Actually I think they are…

[notin]

I’m also not so certain anyone on this site has said defense doesn’t matter.

 

As a matter of fact the people salivating over Schwarber are the ones who don’t value defense enough because he was literally the worse outfielder in all of baseball the past 2 years.

 

It just makes me think of former Cubs’ GM Jim Hendry, whose attitude clearly was “give me 8 hitters and we’ll figure out their positions later.”..

[Bellhorn04]

Even that would not have been enough.

 

In hindsight, we should have gone full firesale in '22 and '23.

 

So even with perfect hindsight you can't find moves that would have put the team in the playoffs either year?

 

Are you sure you're really trying?

[Bellhorn04]

Actually I think they are…

 

Not sure why.

[notin]

Not sure why.

 

It’s a case of not wanting him here in the first place and then not wanting him to go. Just feels contradictory. Its ok to change your mind about the guy, but it does feel inconsistent…

[notin]

So even with perfect hindsight you can't find moves that would have put the team in the playoffs either year?

 

Are you sure you're really trying?

 

 

I think he just likes fire sales…

[Bellhorn04]

It’s a case of not wanting him here in the first place and then not wanting him to go. Just feels contradictory. Its ok to change your mind about the guy, but it does feel inconsistent…

 

But I thought the only objection to trading for him was that he was injured at the time.

[notin]

But I thought the only objection to trading for him was that he was injured at the time.

 

I suppose. It does feel inconsistent on the surface. But I’m not adamant about this or anything…

[moonslav59]

So even with perfect hindsight you can't find moves that would have put the team in the playoffs either year?

 

Are you sure you're really trying?

 

In hindsight, maye- yes. You'd have to hit on every move and have the current team not slump.

 

IMO, the types of "now" moves they might have tried were the ones like Castillo, but only if we extended him like SEA did and Civale, who had multiple years left.

 

The teams were not good enough for giving up good prospects for rentals. You save those moves for seasons like 2018 and Nate.

 

The one Bloom season worthy of that was 2021, when we got Schwarber, Robles, Davis, Shaw and later Iggy. We should have gotten a solid SP'er or closer.

 

I was for buying in 2023, but not giving top prospects for rentals.

[moonslav59]

I think he just likes fire sales…

 

I was for one fire sale: 2022.

[sk7326]

Boy Eovaldi provides a lot of high leverage performance for the cost of a cup of coffee or two.

[mvp 78]

So even with perfect hindsight you can't find moves that would have put the team in the playoffs either year?

 

Are you sure you're really trying?

 

With perfect moves, they could have been in the playoffs both years. It was most likely that the FO wasn't going to make perfect moves and that they should have had a fire sale in '22. In '23? There wasn't much left to trade except for Paxton and Turner. That's not really a fire sale.

[mvp 78]

I was for one fire sale: 2022.

 

At the deadline?

[mvp 78]

Boy Eovaldi provides a lot of high leverage performance for the cost of a cup of coffee or two.

 

That's an expensive cup of coffee.

[Nick]

I loved the extension on Eovaldi knowing that Porcello's final year was coming up.

 

I also thought signing Story was a good idea no matter what the FO said publicly about it wasn't about Xander's final contract year. But maybe it should have been another player. Simien from Texas comes to mind. In great part, Bloom was always looking for reclamation project and that ultimately doomed him. Simien has played in all but 3 or 4 games the last two years.

 

I always like Schwarber in big part because he's an IU grad. He caught and batted second for the Hoosiers when they had their success. I realized the argument about JD still being on the payroll. I thought they could at least co-exist for one year. I rather have Schwarber than Yoshida. Power and defense still wins in short series, Yoshida has neither.

 

I seriously doubt Ohtani would sign with the Sox. But it sure would perk me up if we gave an offer he has to think about.

 

I will puke, if our first signing is a has been pitcher for $8M.

 

I wonder if Dave Dombrowski is available.

Edited October 23, 2023 by Nick

[Dipre]

So, about the MLB playoffs, it's a pretty cool tidbit that the road team has won every game in both LCS series so far.

[mvp 78]

So, about the MLB playoffs, it's a pretty cool tidbit that the road team has won every game in both LCS series so far.

 

An untrue tidbit, sure.

[Dipre]

An untrue tidbit, sure.

 

Got ya on track though.

[sk7326]

So, about the MLB playoffs, it's a pretty cool tidbit that the road team has won every game in both LCS series so far.

 

The last time the road team won all 7 games in a best of 7 - the only other time iirc - was the Nationals beating the Astros in the 2019 WS.

[notin]

So, about the MLB playoffs, it's a pretty cool tidbit that the road team has won every game in both LCS series so far.

 

Except in the NLCS, where the only road win so far was the Phillies in game 5…