A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[moonslav59]

Disagree. The best hope for significant rotation improvement are third tier brass: Breslow, Bailey and Bloom (the latter for prospect capital he wouldn't trade that will soon be dealt...).

 

The Standstiller Bees are about to become the Uphiller Bees.

 

I would prefer we get a tier 2 guy or two. My point was that we may not out bid others for the remaining good 3-4 SPers left. Leaving us with a best hope of 3 not 2 of the ne t best group.

 

The sham may continue.

[moonslav59]

So Verdugo is gone because of the primary reason that he and Cora just weren't seeing eye to eye. I get that . The return for us was pretty puny so we are probably pretty sure that he was shipped out just because.

Now we have hired Tip O'neil essentially to take his place. Tell me please that this franchise is going to start to try to play with the big boys again. Oh i know - i'm just one of those spoiled whiny fans but have to say that most of what we have done recently is embarrassing for me anyway. Is this who we are now?

 

I doubt the run ins with Cora was the main reason we traded the glorified platoon OFer with one year left.

[moonslav59]

my gawd has Henry has lowered the expectations of a once great franchise.

 

I’ve given up hoping. I think it’s all a sham.

 

That being said, things can still change. I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[Larry Cook]

I’ve given up hoping. I think it’s all a sham.

 

That being said, things can still change. I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

 

Bres-slow may not be attacking the free agent market like a man possessed, but when it comes to making minor trades, for mediocre talent, he seems fairly capable

[moonslav59]

Bres-slow may not be attacking the free agent market like a man possessed, but when it comes to making minor trades, for mediocre talent, he seems fairly capable

 

The big spending comes from above Brez's pay grade.

 

Give Brez $700M and he'll do better with it than LA's.

 

[Randy Red Sox]

The big spending comes from above Brez's pay grade.

 

Give Brez $700M and he'll do better with it than LA's.

 

 

and just what would you base this post on to back your statement?

[Randy Red Sox]

I'm glad Ohtani is in the NL.

 

I wonder if Kershaw is up for grabs, now.

 

why would Kershaw be available? He is year to year at this point but can pitch in 2024 unlike Ohtani.

[moonslav59]

and just what would you base this post on to back your statement?

 

Just a strong hunch, if Brez was given $700M, this winter, he'd nab at least 2 from Yamo, Snell and Monty, plus find a 2Bman and maybe a CF'er and/or catcher upgrade.

[moonslav59]

why would Kershaw be available? He is year to year at this point but can pitch in 2024 unlike Ohtani.

 

I'm thinking maybe the Dodgers will pass on more big contracts for a couple months.

 

Probably not, but I will say the chances are higher, now than had Ohtani signed with TOR.

[harmony]

We asked Red Sox assistant team physician, Dr. Jerry Graham, for his opinion on O'Neill . He said , " Tyler (The Body ) O'Neill is the real deal. A steal. The man with appeal. The ladies will squeal. A physical specimen who lifts thousands of pounds . Absolutely free of anabolic steroids. We are going to get him to cut back a bit in the gym to avoid all those workout injuries. Buy your tickets now. "

Near the bottom check out the photo of Tyler O’Neill’s father and Arnold Schwartzennegger:

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2023/12/9/23994595/meet-the-new-guy-tyler-oneill-red-sox-trade-cardinals-analysis

[moonslav59]

Near the bottom check out the photo of Tyler O’Neill’s father and Arnold Schwartzennegger:

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2023/12/9/23994595/meet-the-new-guy-tyler-oneill-red-sox-trade-cardinals-analysis

 

Man, the highlight reel makes him look like the best player in MLB.

[jacksonianmarch]

If the sox don't add a TOTR starter, then Breslow and Henry have shown their hand as management unwilling to make the sox a winner

[Duran Is The Man]

If the sox don't add a TOTR starter, then Breslow and Henry have shown their hand as management unwilling to make the sox a winner

 

Yep

[Bellhorn04]

Just a strong hunch, if Brez was given $700M, this winter, he'd nab at least 2 from Yamo, Snell and Monty, plus find a 2Bman and maybe a CF'er and/or catcher upgrade.

 

Listen, Bloom could sign 70 starting pitchers with that money.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Listen, Bloom could sign 70 starting pitchers with that money.

 

Half of them won't be ready to pitch until mid-summer, but Sam swears they'll be better than any old trade acquisition we can make at the deadline.

[Bellhorn04]

Just a strong hunch, if Brez was given $700M, this winter, he'd nab at least 2 from Yamo, Snell and Monty, plus find a 2Bman and maybe a CF'er and/or catcher upgrade.

 

And Steve Cohen is probably thinking right about now that he can use the $700M he didn't spend on Ohtani to sign Moto, Snell and more.

[Old Red]

And Steve Cohen is probably thinking right about now that he can use the $700M he didn't spend on Ohtani to sign Moto, Snell and more.

 

Spending money didn’t help the Mets last year, or the Padres for that matter, but unfortunately you have a handful of owners now that are going to outspend everyone else, and JH isn’t one of them anymore. He used to be the the money game has changed big time just in the last 5 years.

[Bellhorn04]

There are some folks speculating that signing Ohtani doesn't put the Dodgers out of the Moto bidding, that it might actually improve their chances. And Ohtani is apparently deferring most of his money so that the Dodgers have more cash to play with right now for more upgrades.

[Old Red]

There are some folks speculating that signing Ohtani doesn't put the Dodgers out of the Moto bidding, that it might actually improve their chances. And Ohtani is apparently deferring most of his money so that the Dodgers have more cash to play with right now for more upgrades.

Load em up. I hope the Dodgers sign the Yam Man, and might as well get Soto next year too. Get a super team that only money can buy.

[Bellhorn04]

If the Red Sox big plan for this offseason was to go all in on Moto, it might be a pretty dumb plan. Let's say there are 5 big spenders in on Moto. I can't see anything that would give us an edge over any of the other spenders. Even if we the same shot as the other 4 teams, that would give us a 20% chance of success. That's really "hope as a strategy".

[Old Red]

If the Red Sox big plan for this offseason was to go all in on Moto, it might be a pretty dumb plan. Let's say there are 5 big spenders in on Moto. I can't see anything that would give us an edge over any of the other spenders. Even if we the same shot as the other 4 teams, that would give us a 20% chance of success. That's really "hope as a strategy".

 

It was a dumb plan, because how many of those teams that are serious bidders are the Red Sox going to outbid? Like someone said earlier the only way the Yam Man would end up in Boston is, because he really wanted to play there, but Boston isn’t going to be the highest bidder like they were with Yoshida, which made him pick Boston. Money most always wins out.

[Bellhorn04]

Let's hope the Moto drama doesn't drag out too long.

[Old Red]

Let's hope the Moto drama doesn't drag out too long.

 

It will if a few teams keeps the price going higher, and higher, which is most likely. It wouldn’t surprise if the $200M-$300M is now $300M-$400M.

[notin]

If the Red Sox big plan for this offseason was to go all in on Moto, it might be a pretty dumb plan. Let's say there are 5 big spenders in on Moto. I can't see anything that would give us an edge over any of the other spenders. Even if we the same shot as the other 4 teams, that would give us a 20% chance of success. That's really "hope as a strategy".

 

I hope no team ever has an off-season plan that includes going all in on one player only…

Edited December 10, 2023 by notin

[oldtimer]

It will if a few teams keeps the price going higher, and higher, which is most likely. It wouldn’t surprise if the $200M-$300M is now $300M-$400M.

 

These are insane salaries. No doubt about it and no end in sight although it could all come crashing down. I find it hard to believe the revenues can keep rising fast enough to pay these guys with the fan base incomes barely increasing in real terms.

[notin]

Let's hope the Moto drama doesn't drag out too long.

 

It will and the Sox need to ignore and move on to other pitchers. Yamamoto is a waste of time since the Sox are not outbidding the Mets or Yankees…

[Old Red]

It will and the Sox need to ignore and move on to other pitchers. Yamamoto is a waste of time since the Sox are not outbidding the Mets or Yankees…

 

The problem is is not only has Yam Man’s price tag has gone up, but so has Snell’s, and Monty, and who doesn’t get the Yam Man will be after Snell, and Monty too.

[moonslav59]

If the sox don't add a TOTR starter, then Breslow and Henry have shown their hand as management unwilling to make the sox a winner

 

I will blame JH not Brez.

[Bellhorn04]

I will blame JH not Brez.

 

JH will blame Brez.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yamamoto is a waste of time since the Sox are not outbidding the Mets or Yankees…

 

I've been inclined

To believe they never would