A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[mvp 78]

The answer to this question should be yes, I'd rather trade Mayer to have another shot at a ring.

 

The problem with this question, is it doesn't point at that their are just as many, perhaps more permutations of the future that lead to Sox rings with Mayer at SS.

 

Not without TOTR staters.

[mvp 78]

Keller really isn't close to a #1. He might be a lower #2. 2 years of control for him and 3 for Bednar is probably not enough of a return for Mayer.

 

You talked me out of it.

 

Funny how some think PIT would say no.

 

To me, Keller is just a newer version of Derek Lowe.

[harmony]

Keller really isn't close to a #1. He might be a lower #2. 2 years of control for him and 3 for Bednar is probably not enough of a return for Mayer.

 

You talked me out of it.

 

Funny how some think PIT would say no.

Righthander Mitch Keller, a 27-year-old with two more years of team control, ranked 23rd among all pitchers in fWAR this season (a decimal point behind Justin Verlander):

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2023&season1=2023&ind=0&postseason=

 

Marcelo Mayer's stock has not risen in the past 12 months.

[sk7326]

Righthander Mitch Keller, a 27-year-old with two more years of team control, ranked 23rd among all pitchers in fWAR this season (a decimal point behind Justin Verlander):

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2023&season1=2023&ind=0&postseason=

 

Marcelo Mayer's stock has not risen in the past 12 months.

 

He was a top 15 prospect entering the season, held that midseason and is one of the youngest regulars in Double-A. His stock is just fine. It only looks bad when compared to Roman Anthony who might be THE youngest regular at the level.

[Hugh2]

Not without TOTR staters.

 

Trading isn't the only way to bring people into your organization, and Mayer isn't your only prospect. So again, I'd say there are just as many permutations to future success that involve Mayer on this roster. Perhaps even more.

[mvp 78]

Righthander Mitch Keller, a 27-year-old with two more years of team control, ranked 23rd among all pitchers in fWAR this season (a decimal point behind Justin Verlander):

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2023&season1=2023&ind=0&postseason=

 

Marcelo Mayer's stock has not risen in the past 12 months.

 

Mayer hit well to start the year in High A and his prospect status increased in a few rankings. At some point, he was injured in AA and tried to play through it. I think most scouts are still excited about him.

[mvp 78]

Trading isn't the only way to bring people into your organization, and Mayer isn't your only prospect. So again, I'd say there are just as many permutations to future success that involve Mayer on this roster. Perhaps even more.

 

I never said he was the only way. I'm just saying that they should CONSIDER IT if the right trade came along. Sure, they could try FA or other trades too.

[Old Red]

Re-sign Duvall right away and clear up that issue.

 

For how long, and for how much?

[moonslav59]

For how long, and for how much?

 

1 year longer and $10M more than you think he should be.

 

(That's kinda true for most good FA signings.)

[Old Red]

1 year longer and $10M more than you think he should be.

 

(That's kinda true for most good FA signings.)

 

You won’t get him for 1 yr again, and I don’t know if two would be good, and definitely not three.

[mvp 78]

1 year longer and $10M more than you think he should be.

 

(That's kinda true for most good FA signings.)

 

After a second straight injury plagued season?

[Hugh2]

One word. Harrison Bader

[mvp 78]

You won’t get him for 1 yr again, and I don’t know if two would be good, and definitely not three.

 

A 35 year old who averaged 334 PA's the past 2 seasons isn't getting a big deal.

[mvp 78]

One word. Harrison Bader

 

Which word? Harrison or Bader?

[Hugh2]

Which word? Harrison or Bader?

 

One word. Both words

[mvp 78]

One word. Both words

 

HarrisonBader

[Old Red]

HarrisonBader

 

Bader would be a better fielder, but Duvall a better hitter providing he stays healthy.

[Hugh2]

Bader would be a better fielder, but Duvall a better hitter providing he stays healthy.

 

Considering neither a full time player anymore, I'd put my money on the guy much younger. Bader vs. LHP is just as good as Duval, if used properly he'd be an upgrade.

[Bellhorn04]

Considering neither a full time player anymore, I'd put my money on the guy much younger. Bader vs. LHP is just as good as Duval, if used properly he'd be an upgrade.

 

Duvall can hit righties too, though.

[Hugh2]

Duvall can hit righties too, though.

 

But he can't stay healthy for an entire season, I don't want to rely on him starting.

 

Also, we have plenty of guys who can hit righties, it's good RHB this team is lacking.

[mvp 78]

Duvall can hit righties too, though.

 

Bader is Refsnyder if he could play above average CF defense rather than garbage defense. I guess you just platoon him with Duran?

 

Trade Verdugo and Refsnyder to free up spots for Bader and Duvall? IDK.

 

We'll see how much faith they have in Rafaela and Abreu.

[Hugh2]

Bader is Refsnyder if he could play above average CF defense rather than garbage defense. I guess you just platoon him with Duran?

 

Trade Verdugo and Refsnyder to free up spots for Bader and Duvall? IDK.

 

We'll see how much faith they have in Rafaela and Abreu.

 

They're not starting all of Rafaela, Duran and Abreu, I'd be surprised if two of those guys are starting. Duval isn't a good option to start, giving his age and injury history he should be relegated to a platoon role. He fits the need of a RH-hitting bench bat that can play all three outfield positions. He's actually a good fit for the roster, but he has even splits, even reverse splits at times. That's fine, even preferable for an everyday player.......which Duval is not.

 

All this makes the argument for keeping Verdugo, you need starters in the outfield.

[mvp 78]

They're not starting all of Rafaela, Duran and Abreu, I'd be surprised if two of those guys are starting. Duval isn't a good option to start, giving his age and injury history he should be relegated to a platoon role. He fits the need of a RH-hitting bench bat that can play all three outfield positions. He's actually a good fit for the roster, but he has even splits, even reverse splits at times. That's fine, even preferable for an everyday player.......which Duval is not.

 

All this makes the argument for keeping Verdugo, you need starters in the outfield.

 

Bader isn't a good option to start because he didn't OPS 600 against RHP last season.

 

So Bader, Duvall, Duran, Abreu and Rafaela won't be starting?

[moonslav59]

You won’t get him for 1 yr again, and I don’t know if two would be good, and definitely not three.

 

I said one year longer than you think he should get.

[moonslav59]

After a second straight injury plagued season?

 

1 year longer than 1 is 2.

 

1 year longe rthan 2 is 3.

 

I think he gets 2.

 

I think red thinks he'll get at least 2, so maybe he gets 3.

[moonslav59]

They're not starting all of Rafaela, Duran and Abreu, I'd be surprised if two of those guys are starting. Duval isn't a good option to start, giving his age and injury history he should be relegated to a platoon role. He fits the need of a RH-hitting bench bat that can play all three outfield positions. He's actually a good fit for the roster, but he has even splits, even reverse splits at times. That's fine, even preferable for an everyday player.......which Duval is not.

 

All this makes the argument for keeping Verdugo, you need starters in the outfield.

 

I could see thinking Rafala, Abreu and Duran could maybe be counted on to fill 2 OF slots, combined, but that could backfire, badly. (LF and CF with Abreu backing up RF)

[mvp 78]

1 year longer than 1 is 2.

 

1 year longe rthan 2 is 3.

 

I think he gets 2.

 

I think red thinks he'll get at least 2, so maybe he gets 3.

 

You think he's going to get 2/20? More?

[moonslav59]

You think he's going to get 2/20? More?

 

I think he should get $9M/1. He will get $19M/2. (1 more year and $10M more.)

[sk7326]

I could see thinking Rafala, Abreu and Duran could maybe be counted on to fill 2 OF slots, combined, but that could backfire, badly. (LF and CF with Abreu backing up RF)

 

It could - but frankly I am more interested now in ripping the band-aid off and seeing what you have instead of more half-measures. If the team brings in a stud though that is a different calculus.

[mvp 78]

I think he should get $9M/1. He will get $19M/2. (1 more year and $10M more.)

 

Maybe the 2nd year has some weird option or opt outs or whatever?