Bloom fired

[moonslav59]

https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/28039095

 

The Soxprospects have an amazing breakdown of the Bloom firing.

 

There are some things in here that I was unaware of that actually have me very optimistic of the future and that I did not know Bloom had been overseeing.

 

Over the past several years under Bloom the Sox have vastly ramped up the amount of money they spend on amateur scouting and increased the number of scouts they have as well. This was the jist of it.

 

These are the types of moves that build long-term success, that help a sustainable winning franchise but don't bear immediate fruit. Bloom did a piss poor job of building the MLB roster, but he apparently did do some great things for this organization top to bottom. Frankly, I'm a little ired that this wasn't the case before hand. We are Boston, we should be spending heavily there compared to most other teams anyways.

 

They made an interesting comment about Bloom seemingly feeling confident in keeping his job when he failed to make any trades at teh deadline to try and save his job- assuming he knew he might lose it based on the 2023 results.

[Old Red]

They made an interesting comment about Bloom seemingly feeling confident in keeping his job when he failed to make any trades at teh deadline to try and save his job- assuming he knew he might lose it based on the 2023 results.

 

Henry might have finally woken up, and smelled the roses, and didn’t like what what he smelled, and noticed none of the roses were in Bloom, and all had died on the vine.

[moonslav59]

Henry might have finally woken up, and smelled the roses, and didn’t like what what he smelled, and noticed none of the roses were in Bloom, and all had died on the vine.

 

Maybe, someday, your fixation with Bloom will wilt and wither on the vine.

[Old Red]

Maybe, someday, your fixation with Bloom will wilt and wither on the vine.

 

My fixation with Bloom? Many have have been fixated with Bloom since he got in Boston, and still are even with him gone. You did see the standings today? That’s the parting gift Bloom have left all of Red Sox Nation. Some don’t like it as well as others.

[FredLynn]

My fixation with Bloom? Many have have been fixated with Bloom since he got in Boston, and still are even with him gone. You did see the standings today? That’s the parting gift Bloom have left all of Red Sox Nation. Some don’t like it as well as others.

 

He wasn't all bad. We now have the fifth highest rated farm system. That bodes well for the future. Of course we will have to tolerate another year or two of holding our noses watching this team but eventually, hopefully, our farm system will pay dividends.

[Old Red]

He wasn't all bad. We now have the fifth highest rated farm system. That bodes well for the future. Of course we will have to tolerate another year or two of holding our noses watching this team but eventually, hopefully, our farm system will pay dividends.

 

You do realize Pipeline ranked the Red Sox 16th, and another ranking had them 14th, but whatever.

[FredLynn]

You do realize Pipeline ranked the Red Sox 16th, and another ranking had them 14th, but whatever.

 

If I am interpreting this right Fangraphs has the Sox farm system ranked THIRD:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/farm-system-rankings

 

Others have them lower-but the farm is a lot better than it use to be.

Edited September 18, 2023 by FredLynn

[sk7326]

If I am interpreting this right Fangraphs has the Sox farm system ranked THIRD:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/farm-system-rankings

 

Others have them lower-but the farm is a lot better than it use to be.

 

No matter the ranking - if you read The Athletic, ESPN, Fangraphs, MLB.com ... they all say roughly the same thing. The org is loaded with position prospects - best in years ... and a pitching desert, with a lot of arms but almost nothing above a swingman.

[Hugh2]

My fixation with Bloom? Many have have been fixated with Bloom since he got in Boston, and still are even with him gone. You did see the standings today? That’s the parting gift Bloom have left all of Red Sox Nation. Some don’t like it as well as others.

 

I think a lot of people got fixated on his organizational philosophy and what he wanted to build. I agreed with it and still do, but it was blatantly obvious he failed to have the execution at the big league level to put together a strong ball club.

 

With me it’s not what Bloom did, it’s what he didn’t do. I suppose that’s semantics

[moonslav59]

My fixation with Bloom? Many have have been fixated with Bloom since he got in Boston, and still are even with him gone. You did see the standings today? That’s the parting gift Bloom have left all of Red Sox Nation. Some don’t like it as well as others.

 

Don't like what as much?

 

BTW, you still won't answer why you have an issue with when I do and don't post standings.

 

[moonslav59]

You do realize Pipeline ranked the Red Sox 16th, and another ranking had them 14th, but whatever.

 

Okay, so between 3 and 16 compared to 24th to 30th.

 

Which would you prefer?

 

Why you can't even answer this simple question is very telling about you and your complete refusal to comment on anything even remotely optimistic, other than rejoicing in Bloom's demise.

[FredLynn]

No matter the ranking - if you read The Athletic, ESPN, Fangraphs, MLB.com ... they all say roughly the same thing. The org is loaded with position prospects - best in years ... and a pitching desert, with a lot of arms but almost nothing above a swingman.

 

Here's one ranking where they are ranked fifth:

 

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/red-sox-shoot-up-to-fifth-in-new-baseball-america-farm-system-rankings/548563/#:~:text=NBC%20Universal%2C%20Inc.,the%20major%20league%20club%20better.

 

But you're right: there are no pitchers in our farm system worth even an honorable mention. Thats concerning. We are going to have to obtain via trade or FA probably two high quality SPs to become relevant.

[dgalehouse]

Danny Dreamer: " Great news. According to the latest official Farmer's Almanac farm rankings, we are now ranked in the top ten. Hooray " Larry Lykitis: " Looks like yet another last place finish. Another wasted year. Damn. "

[Old Red]

Okay, so between 3 and 16 compared to 24th to 30th.

 

Which would you prefer?

 

Why you can't even answer this simple question is very telling about you and your complete refusal to comment on anything even remotely optimistic, other than rejoicing in Bloom's demise.

 

Optimistic gets you what? A few weeks ago you said you couldn’t wait to play the Yankees, and Jays again when you were all giddy. How did that 1-6 record work out for you? When the Red Sox are back to being a winning team, and in the postseason again is when I’ll get optimistic. Is the farm rankings being lower today better than being higher yes, and has it helped that not much infusion into the big league club helped where the Sox where they are today? No, but it’s not a major reason to me, and more of some bad decisions from JH, DD, and Bloom is why the Red Sox are today.

[moonslav59]

Here's one ranking where they are ranked fifth:

 

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/red-sox-shoot-up-to-fifth-in-new-baseball-america-farm-system-rankings/548563/#:~:text=NBC%20Universal%2C%20Inc.,the%20major%20league%20club%20better.

 

But you're right: there are no pitchers in our farm system worth even an honorable mention. Thats concerning. We are going to have to obtain via trade or FA probably two high quality SPs to become relevant.

 

We did just graduate Bello, but your point is still a valid one.

 

Houck, Crawford, Whitlock and Wink are also recent grads. This group of 5 is better than any 5 I have seen in a very long time.

 

The next five look very concerning. Like you said, not are even on anyone's honorable mention list.

 

Mata can't stay healthy and should be converted to a RP'er ASAP.

Wikelman can't improve his BB/9, but does show some promise.

Perales is only 20 but has a ways to go to make anyone's list.

Drohan is dropping like a lead Zeppilin

Walter and Murphy have probably peaked.

We do have quite a few lower ranked pitchers, and maybe 1-2 show marked improvement, soon, but again, I doubt any make a list:

Gambrell, E R-C, Dobbins, Bastardo, Guerrero (RP), Hoppe, Rogers, ICoffey, Troye, Paez, Penrod, Duffy, Uberstine and of course, good ole Noah Song.

[Old Red]

Optimistic gets you what? A few weeks ago you said you couldn’t wait to play the Yankees, and Jays again when you were all giddy. How did that 1-6 record work out for you? When the Red Sox are back to being a winning team, and in the postseason again is when I’ll get optimistic. Is the farm rankings being higher today better than being lower yes, and has it helped that not much infusion into the big league club helped where the Sox where they are today? No, but it’s not a major reason to me, and more of some bad decisions from JH, DD, and Bloom is why the Red Sox are today.

A losing last place team.

[moonslav59]

Optimistic gets you what? A few weeks ago you said you couldn’t wait to play the Yankees, and Jays again when you were all giddy. How did that 1-6 record work out for you? When the Red Sox are back to being a winning team, and in the postseason again is when I’ll get optimistic. Is the farm rankings being lower today better than being higher yes, and has it helped that not much infusion into the big league club helped where the Sox where they are today? No, but it’s not a major reason to me, and more of some bad decisions from JH, DD, and Bloom is why the Red Sox are today.

 

Thanks for finally answering.

 

Shoot me for thinking our future looks bright, or at least brighter than it did after 2019.

[Old Red]

Thanks for finally answering.

 

Shoot me for thinking our future looks bright, or at least brighter than it did after 2019.

Wishing to play the Yankees, and Jays again was in the moment.

[moonslav59]

You guys do know Betts, Bogey, Devers and others were once highly ranked prospects, right?

 

You gotta start somewhere.

 

It is rare when you get guys like Bello and Casas from low-ranked farms, but since we finished last again, with them, to hell with optimism, right?

 

Let's just trade em all and start from scratch. The whole system sucks! The sky has fallen.

[moonslav59]

Wishing to play the Yankees, and Jays again was in the moment.

 

Again, you get it wrong.

 

I said our chances could be in our own hands, because we were going to play TOR and TEX. I ever said I expected we'd win.

 

Was I optimistic we still had a chance. because we were playing the teams we had to pass? Yes, to some extent, but I still don't get why that bothers you, or that I stopped posting the WC standings once we had no hope.

 

You won't tell me what the problem you see in that.

[Bellhorn04]

You guys do know Betts, Bogey, Devers and others were once highly ranked prospects, right?

 

You gotta start somewhere.

 

It is rare when you get guys like Bello and Casas from low-ranked farms, but since we finished last again, with them, to hell with optimism, right?

 

Let's just trade em all and start from scratch. The whole system sucks! The sky has fallen.

 

It's just funny or ironic or whatever that we're in such a similar place to where we were when they hired DD. Good pieces and good prospects, hardly any starting pitching.

 

Who's gonna be the new DD?

[FredLynn]

Danny Dreamer: " Great news. According to the latest official Farmer's Almanac farm rankings, we are now ranked in the top ten. Hooray " Larry Lykitis: " Looks like yet another last place finish. Another wasted year. Damn. "

 

Yup. Last place again. I expect the same or slightly better next year too-and unless Henry opens his purse it could be several more years before we are competitive. So hold your nose again next year and hope for the best in 2025.

[sk7326]

We did just graduate Bello, but your point is still a valid one.

 

Houck, Crawford, Whitlock and Wink are also recent grads. This group of 5 is better than any 5 I have seen in a very long time.

 

The next five look very concerning. Like you said, not are even on anyone's honorable mention list.

 

Mata can't stay healthy and should be converted to a RP'er ASAP.

Wikelman can't improve his BB/9, but does show some promise.

Perales is only 20 but has a ways to go to make anyone's list.

Drohan is dropping like a lead Zeppilin

Walter and Murphy have probably peaked.

We do have quite a few lower ranked pitchers, and maybe 1-2 show marked improvement, soon, but again, I doubt any make a list:

Gambrell, E R-C, Dobbins, Bastardo, Guerrero (RP), Hoppe, Rogers, ICoffey, Troye, Paez, Penrod, Duffy, Uberstine and of course, good ole Noah Song.

 

Are we sure Houck is THAT much more than a swingman? Crawford is interesting but similar question.

 

Bello is a keeper tho.

[mvp 78]

It's just funny or ironic or whatever that we're in such a similar place to where we were when they hired DD. Good pieces and good prospects, hardly any starting pitching.

 

Who's gonna be the new DD?

 

A little too ironic, and yeah I really do think

[Dipre]

A little too ironic, and yeah I really do think

 

It's like rain on my wedding day?

[moonslav59]

Are we sure Houck is THAT much more than a swingman? Crawford is interesting but similar question.

 

Bello is a keeper tho.

 

Tell me the last 3 year period we brought up 5 pitchers as good as Bello, Crawford, Whitlock, Houck and Wink?

 

I'm not saying all 5 are great or even sure bets to be good, but when?

[Old Red]

Again, you get it wrong.

 

I said our chances could be in our own hands, because we were going to play TOR and TEX. I ever said I expected we'd win.

 

Was I optimistic we still had a chance. because we were playing the teams we had to pass? Yes, to some extent, but I still don't get why that bothers you, or that I stopped posting the WC standings once we had no hope.

 

You won't tell me what the problem you see in that.

 

No you said you can’t wait to play the Yankees, and Jays again. I guess that was from beating up on them earlier in the season, and thinking the Red Sox would do it again. 1-6 bit you in the ass. Kind like earlier in the season too when the Red Sox were winning some games, and you said I don’t hear any we want DD talk now. How did that work out? You’ve been bitten in the ass so many times that a rabies shot wouldn’t have any effect at all.🙈

[moonslav59]

It's like rain on my wedding day?

 

Most of the examples in that song are not irony.

[mvp 78]

It's like rain on my wedding day?

 

It's a free ride, when you already paid

[moonslav59]

No you said you can’t wait to play the Yankees, and Jays again. I guess that was from beating up on them earlier in the season, and thinking the Red Sox would do it again. 1-6 bit you in the ass. Kind like earlier in the season too when the Red Sox were winning some games, and you said I don’t hear any we want DD talk now. How did that work out? You’ve been bitten in the ass so many times that a rabies shot wouldn’t have any effect at all.🙈

 

I don't think I did, but I'll apologize if and when you find the link.

 

Again, why does a fan's optimsm bug you so much?

 

I can see my optimism for this year was unfounded, but I'm not sure why you have to stomp all over the idea of optimism for fans.

 

Gloat all you want and throw it in my face that I was wrong, fine, but it seems you just can't handle optimism, in and of itself.