Bloom fired

[moonslav59]

How often does a free agent signing, especially the big ones, ever return exact value or more?

 

The trick is to not get completely screwed. The Story isn't out yet on Yoshida, or Story if he can stay healthy. Next year will be very telling. Can Yoshida improve in his Sophmore campaign? with his Elbow healed can Story be the player he was before Boston for a few seasons?

 

If the answer to those questions are yes, then it makes Blooms replacement job simple, maybe not easy but simple. Pitching, pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

 

Imagine Story has a huge year for the next GM. It would make the next GM a genius, in some eys.

 

Kinda like HRam sucking for Ben, then having a decent season for DD.

 

I said it then, Had Porcello (9-15 to 22-4)and HRam (.717 to .866) had their first season with DD during their last season with Ben, maybe we never see a GM change made.

[Hugh2]

If Henry is ready to let it fly and give a guy a long term look. I think it's time to let Eddie Romero have his say, he's been with the organization for almost 2 whole decades, and he's been here for a reason. He's very good at his job, he's well respected, he knows Boston and our system, and he's our guy.

[Old Red]

So, why do you continually try to paint Bloom as the main guy on the Betts trade decision?

 

Wrong again. I said there was reports out there that said Bloom was never told he had to trade Betts. Before I saw that report in the past my main criticism on the trade was that they didn’t get enough back like some pitching. I had always assumed that the decision to trade Mookie was made before Bloom was hired. Maybe trading Mookie was one of the reasons DD,and JH had the fallen out.

[Old Red]

Imagine Story has a huge year for the next GM. It would make the next GM a genius, in some eys.

 

Kinda like HRam sucking for Ben, then having a decent season for DD.

 

I said it then, Had Porcello (9-15 to 22-4)and HRam (.717 to .866) had their first season with DD during their last season with Ben, maybe we never see a GM change made.

 

The good, or the bad for Story will always be on Bloom. Credit, or blame just like Sale has been for DD.

[Bellhorn04]

This last winter choices and budget is a complete mystery to me.

 

The 2020 one seems more concrete and easier to understand.

 

Also, regardless of why the budget ended up where it was, Bloom still had enough to do better than he did.

 

BTW, let's wait and see what the final tax budget was, before saying we underspent bya whole lot.

 

We were middle of the pack in payroll this year. I think that's an established fact.

[notin]

The good, or the bad for Story will always be on Bloom. Credit, or blame just like Sale has been for DD.

 

Not true.

 

We’ve got a BS post going around this morning that Bloom held off on unloading Sale plus his full contract. If nothing else, it’s a clear attempt to blame Bloom for Sale still being here…

[Bellhorn04]

Doesn't exactly promote a selling point when looking to hire someone new.

 

There's value in continuity, I'm hoping it hasn't been broken to the point that the Sox can't get and retain talent.

 

They'll probably just have to pay a little more. Chaim Bloom might be a little shocked and pissed right now, but the money the Sox paid him (and will pay him for next year) has probably put him and his family in a pretty good financial position.

[Elktonnick]

Doesn't exactly promote a selling point when looking to hire someone new.

 

There's value in continuity, I'm hoping it hasn't been broken to the point that the Sox can't get and retain talent.

Your point has been talked about repeatedly on Boston sports media. Your fear is a legitimate one shared by many myself included.

[Old Red]

Not true.

 

We’ve got a BS post going around this morning that Bloom held off on unloading Sale plus his full contract. If nothing else, it’s a clear attempt to blame Bloom for Sale still being here…

 

Nothing confirmed, and I can’t believe anyone was that interested in Sale, and his salary. As a #1 critic of Bloom even I don’t believe that story.

[Bellhorn04]

If Henry is ready to let it fly and give a guy a long term look. I think it's time to let Eddie Romero have his say, he's been with the organization for almost 2 whole decades, and he's been here for a reason. He's very good at his job, he's well respected, he knows Boston and our system, and he's our guy.

 

Henry isn't giving anyone a "long term look", that much has to be obvious by now.

[Randy Red Sox]

Not true.

 

We’ve got a BS post going around this morning that Bloom held off on unloading Sale plus his full contract. If nothing else, it’s a clear attempt to blame Bloom for Sale still being here…

 

nonetheless if that IS true that may well have been one of the reasons Bloom was fired as that would have lowered the payroll even more

[Old Red]

Henry isn't giving anyone a "long term look", that much has to be obvious by now.

 

Is Henry actually making all these decisions since he doesn’t have Larry running the team anymore? Who’s hiring the next GM/HOBO?

[Bellhorn04]

nonetheless if that IS true that may well have been one of the reasons Bloom was fired as that would have lowered the payroll even more

 

If they fired Bloom for not lowering the payroll even more, that means they're even more full of s*** I've been giving them credit for.

[Dipre]

This FO sure is good at finding scapegoats. The hit pieces are everywhere.

[Old Red]

nonetheless if that IS true that may well have been one of the reasons Bloom was fired as that would have lowered the payroll even more

 

That would have been a major relief IF it had happened, or had a chance to happen. BIG if though.

[Elktonnick]

nonetheless if that IS true that may well have been one of the reasons Bloom was fired as that would have lowered the payroll even more

I do not think John Henry needs a reason to fire a HBO other than in his mind it is time for a change which is about every Presidental election

[Bellhorn04]

Is Henry actually making all these decisions since he doesn’t have Larry running the team anymore? Who’s hiring the next GM/HOBO?

 

Larry departed in 2015, right?

 

Somebody is definitely making decisions to fire and hire. Henry is the principal shareholder. Unless he's lost his marbles and Linda is telling him what to do, I think he's still the guy.

[Bellhorn04]

This FO sure is good at finding scapegoats. The hit pieces are everywhere.

 

This time I think they're going to backfire.

[Old Red]

Larry departed in 2015, right?

 

Somebody is definitely making decisions to fire and hire. Henry is the principal shareholder. Unless he's lost his marbles and Linda is telling him what to do, I think he's still the guy.

How much input does Werner have I wonder.

[mvp 78]

Maybe Henry had already given up on the Bloom experiment after 2022 and was semi-hoping for a s***** 2023 to justify canning him.

 

“Ooops, I went over the CBT barely” was enough justification.

[mvp 78]

This time I think they're going to backfire.

 

Nah, this firing was very justifiable and Bloom wasn’t all that likable of a person.

[Dipre]

Nah, this firing was very justifiable and Bloom wasn’t all that likable of a person.

 

Is the point him being likeable of bringing in results?

[mvp 78]

Is the point him being likeable of bringing in results?

 

The likable part is in reference to the PR spin backlash. People won’t care. People don’t like Bloom.

[Bellhorn04]

“Ooops, I went over the CBT barely” was enough justification.

 

Nope. Henry authorized going over in the first place. And if the narrative is they were all-in on contending, selling off at the 2022 deadline when they were 3 games out would totally contradict that.

[Old Red]

The likable part is in reference to the PR spin backlash. People won’t care. People don’t like Bloom.

 

When Bloom, and JH showed up together, and the boo boo birds let them have it I think it would have been hard to decipher who was getting the loudest boos, but since JH owns the team I guess he didn’t want to fire himself, so he gave Bloom the boot.

[Bellhorn04]

Nah, this firing was very justifiable and Bloom wasn’t all that likable of a person.

 

Either are Henry and Werner. Not sure what that has to do with it.

[moonslav59]

Wrong again. I said there was reports out there that said Bloom was never told he had to trade Betts. Before I saw that report in the past my main criticism on the trade was that they didn’t get enough back like some pitching. I had always assumed that the decision to trade Mookie was made before Bloom was hired. Maybe trading Mookie was one of the reasons DD,and JH had the fallen out.

 

When you keep posting "the reports" that said Bloom was "never told he had to trade Betts," what is your point?

 

Yes, your big beef was the return, and as far as we know the only other discussion was with the Padres, and some think they would not take Price.

 

I have long thought and said, that the falling out between DD and upper brass probably began when they did not allow him to bring Kimbrell back or spend beyond the extensions after 2028. I'm not sure, if they told him not to make prospect trades at the deadline in 2019, but I do think he knew about plans for massive cuts to the budget after 2019, and that led to his departure.

 

DD wanted no part of what was handed to Bloom and actually began under DD.

[moonslav59]

We were middle of the pack in payroll this year. I think that's an established fact.

 

Yes, but if the reset was always part of the plan, then how much higher could we have gotten in the rankings without going over the tax line?

 

That was my point.

 

Yes, the ranking slip was a major choice made, and I'm assuming not by Bloom.

[Old Red]

When you keep posting "the reports" that said Bloom was "never told he had to trade Betts," what is your point?

 

Yes, your big beef was the return, and as far as we know the only other discussion was with the Padres, and some think they would not take Price.

 

I have long thought and said, that the falling out between DD and upper brass probably began when they did not allow him to bring Kimbrell back or spend beyond the extensions after 2028. I'm not sure, if they told him not to make prospect trades at the deadline in 2019, but I do think he knew about plans for massive cuts to the budget after 2019, and that led to his departure.

 

DD wanted no part of what was handed to Bloom and actually began under DD.

The point is that with reports out there, which I just found out about a few weeks ago just make me more skeptical of the who thing. That’s all.

[mvp 78]

Nope. Henry authorized going over in the first place. And if the narrative is they were all-in on contending, selling off at the 2022 deadline when they were 3 games out would totally contradict that.

 

Wrong. If they were going to go over:

 

Why trade Vaz?

Why admit they tried trading JD?