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I think Cohen isn’t letting him get away. He might not have had Yamamoto on his radar when the Mets unloaded Scherzer and Verlander last deadline, but it certainly is some fortunate happenstance right now…

 

He did mention stepping back, but at age 25, Yamo will be around for when he decides to pounce, again. (Not that $350 for Yamo is less than a pounce.)

 

I do think he has an upper limit and plan B, though.

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Money is definitely the motivator but in the event that there is competition for a player the chance to play on a team with better players and commitment to the future is a big deal.
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Money is definitely the motivator but in the event that there is competition for a player the chance to play on a team with better players and commitment to the future is a big deal.

 

Agreed at some point.

 

Again, jad’s quote from Charles Barnsley is probably the best

 

1. Money

2. Minutes (or playing time in general)

3. Winning

 

We’ve all probably seen a player occasionally take a lesser deal for a chance at a ring, but it’s also almost always an aging veteran winding down his career…

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Agreed at some point.

 

Again, jad’s quote from Charles Barkley is probably the best

 

1. Money

2. Minutes (or playing time in general)

3. Winning

 

We’ve all probably seen a player occasionally take a lesser deal for a chance at a ring, but it’s also almost always an aging veteran winding down his career…

 

 

Barkley. As in Sir Charles.

 

No idea why my spell checker refuses to acknowledge him and keeps insisting I need to be referring to some unnamed Barnsley character or Berkeley. In the case of the latter, not sure if it thinks I should be referring to the University of California or the cartoonist responsible for Bloom County…

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You guys are all wrong. Hasn't anyone been listening to pro athletes this century?

 

"It's not about the money.

 

R-E-S-P-E-C-T (just a little bit)"

 

“Respect” is actually measured in US dollars. Didn’t you know that?

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Money is definitely the motivator but in the event that there is competition for a player the chance to play on a team with better players and commitment to the future is a big deal.

 

Certainly, Cohen seems more motivated to build a winner than JH, but if you look at the team foundations and near ML ready prospects, I think the Sox might look better than the Mets, right now.

 

I'm no expert on the Mets farm, but I think ours looks better.

 

2024 ZiPs:

 

11.2 BOS (2.6 Bello, 2.2 Sale, 2.1 Pivetta, 1.8 Crawford, 1.5 Houck, 1.0 others)

10.9 NYM (3.9 Senga, 1.9 Quintana, 1.3 Megill, 1.2 Peterson, 1.0 Lucchesi, 1.6 others)

 

4.1 BOS Pen: Mets 2.8

1.5 BOS C: Mets 2.8

2.4 BOS 1B: Mets 3.2

2.0 BOS 2B: Mets 21.7

3.4 BOS SS: Mets 5.0

3.6 BOS 3B: Mets 1.9

1.9 BOS LF: Mets 0.5

1.9 BOS CF (no O'Neill): Mets 4.2

2.3 BOS RF (w Dugo): Mets 1.7

2.4 BOS DH: NYM 2.0

 

Totals before winter additions:

Pitching:

15.3 BOS

13.7 NYM

 

Positions:

23.4 NYM

21.4 BOS

 

Total:

37.1 NYM

36.7 BOS

 

I'm not sure how much having Yoshida matters, but it likely does not hurt our chances.

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MLBTR reports the LAD are interested in just about every pitcher, "except Snell."

 

This make me like Monty>Snell even more, now.

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Marino Pepen reporting that the Red Sox have an offer on the table for Yamamoto worth over $300 million.

 

With multiple clauses, and incentives for both player, and team. Leaks only for Boston’s offer.🤫

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With multiple clauses, and incentives for both player, and team. Leaks only for Boston’s offer.🤫

 

I wonder why there is nothing on MLBTR about this.

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Money is definitely the motivator but in the event that there is competition for a player the chance to play on a team with better players and commitment to the future is a big deal.

 

Not so sure.

 

I’d think - assuming money is equal - a significant amount of athletes would prefer to actually play on a losing team over being benched on a winning one. Certainly the “aging veteran that’s just missing a ring” type player might prefer being benched on a winning team, but in general, I think most highly competitive types prefer physically competing over watching others compete…

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Money is definitely the motivator but in the event that there is competition for a player the chance to play on a team with better players and commitment to the future is a big deal.

 

Now, assuming money is roughly equal, if you think a player would select an opportunity to play on a good team over playing on a bad team, I agree on that.

 

Of course, how much less the good team can pay and secure the services is another matter?

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Winning has never mattered to almost all of them.

 

They don’t hire agents to be placed on winning teams. Most of them are egomaniacal enough to think they can turn any team into a winner. (Even if past history says this is obviously false.)

 

But they can’t just say “i want the most money, because it’sa bad look with the fans. So they say they want to win. They don’t mean it. (It can be a tiebreaker if money is equal.)

 

I don't know about that. Every case is different. I think money is always the big factor. But most players do want to win now. As it stands, the teams that do offer big money are usually the same teams that are looking to win now .

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I don't know about that. Every case is different. I think money is always the big factor. But most players do want to win now. As it stands, the teams that do offer big money are usually the same teams that are looking to win now .

 

And yet plenty of players this off-season have signed with Kansas City (56-106) and St. Louis (71-91). Certainly it’s possible Missouri is the next hot “It” state. But probably not.

 

More likely these teams offered reasonable money for a chance to actually play. Seth Lugo could easily take less money to be just another middle reliever on any of a dozen contenders. And I’m doing so, he could actually go along way towards fortifying that bullpen, thus increasing (possibly significantly) his new team’s chance to win.

 

But instead he took more money to have a larger role on one of the worst teams in MLB.

 

Why?

 

Obviously to Lugo, money and minutes matter much more than winning…

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And yet plenty of players this off-season have signed with Kansas City (56-106) and St. Louis (71-91). Certainly it’s possible Missouri is the next hot “It” state. But probably not.

 

More likely these teams offered reasonable money for a chance to actually play. Seth Lugo could easily take less money to be just another middle reliever on any of a dozen contenders. And I’m doing so, he could actually go along way towards fortifying that bullpen, thus increasing (possibly significantly) his new team’s chance to win.

 

But instead he took more money to have a larger role on one of the worst teams in MLB.

 

Why?

 

Obviously to Lugo, money and minutes matter much more than winning…

 

Obviously the guys like the BBQ. KC has stated they are all in to win the Div next year.

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Obviously the guys like the BBQ. KC has stated they are all in to win the Div next year.

 

They probably do have that goal. It doesn't take a whole lot to win that Division.

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Obviously the guys like the BBQ. KC has stated they are all in to win the Div next year.

 

Barbecue seems more likely than wanting to win. If Nashville had a team, we could do some real comparing…

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They probably do have that goal. It doesn't take a whole lot to win that Division.

 

 

The Royals finished 31 games out in a weak division. The Red Sox were closer to being AL East champs…

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Now, assuming money is roughly equal, if you think a player would select an opportunity to play on a good team over playing on a bad team, I agree on that.

 

Of course, how much less the good team can pay and secure the services is another matter?

You’re right for sure notin. I want to win…

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