Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

There could be legitimate reasons for trading Jansen now or later. But to just say, " We could throw in Jansen, too, " seems disrespectful. Like he is just another pawn in this chess game. Just another jabroni. Just another throw in.

 

Jansen is a great pitcher. The Sox just can’t afford his contract as they are a poverty franchise. It has been rumored that he has been already shopped around. That’s why he was a throw in here. It has nothing to do with his talent level, but where the Sox are at.

[mvp 78]

I going for 84 wins this year, and they’ll be in it.

 

If they were in the NL or in another division, not in the AL East. 84 won’t do s***.

[Old Red]

Jansen is a great pitcher. The Sox just can’t afford his contract as they are a poverty franchise. It has been rumored that he has been already shopped around. That’s why he was a throw in here. It has nothing to do with his talent level, but where the Sox are at.

 

There have been all kinds of rumors of lots of guys have been shopped around. Masa, Story, Jansen, Martin, and who knows who else.

[mvp 78]

There have been all kinds of rumors of lots of guys have been shopped around. Masa, Story, Jansen, Martin, and who knows who else.

 

I’d trade all of those guys in the right trade.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@JonHeyman on the Red Sox (via @BRWalkoff stream):

 

“I think the Red Sox still have a big move in them … I do think the Red Sox will do something.”

 

.@JonHeyman called the Red Sox a “good possibility” for Jordan Montgomery if things don’t work out in Texas.

 

 

Springfield? Too far west.

 

Cape Cod? Crowded bridges.

 

Foxboro? Ugh...

 

It's gotta be Hartford.

[Larry Cook]

Current Red Sox roster = 70 wins

[Larry Cook]

Current Red Sox roster = 4 out of 5 on the dumpster fire scale!

[moonslav59]

There could be legitimate reasons for trading Jansen now or later. But to just say, " We could throw in Jansen, too, " seems disrespectful. Like he is just another pawn in this chess game. Just another jabroni. Just another throw in.

 

I was responding to a reply about HOU going for it, now, and trading Abreu would hurt their chances.

 

Jansen would mitigate the loss of Abreu for 2024.

 

We'd get 3 years of a very nice RP'er and a SP I like more than many, here.

 

I'm not throwing anyone away.

 

Maybe I could have used different terminology.

[mvp 78]

Current Red Sox roster = 70 wins

 

I don't think it's that much of a drop off from last year's overall team. The '23 team never fired on all cylinders and kind of sputtered to 78 wins. I think this team could play up to its potential and exceed that amount. However, it's more likely to be around the prior year win %.

[Bellhorn04]

Eager if we can add a quality SP'er with the budget space.

 

My problem with that is...they already have the damn payroll room if they're serious about adding a quality SP'er.

[mvp 78]

My problem with that is...they already have the damn payroll room if they're serious about adding a quality SP'er.

 

They aren't serious and there aren't many quality options left on the FA market.

[Bellhorn04]

They aren't serious and there aren't many quality options left on the FA market.

 

It's gonna be a stunner if they don't spend much more this year. They'll be 30 million or so below the first tax threshold. How the f*** they think fans and media won't go apeshit about that is beyond me.

[moonslav59]

I don't think it's that much of a drop off from last year's overall team. The '23 team never fired on all cylinders and kind of sputtered to 78 wins. I think this team could play up to its potential and exceed that amount. However, it's more likely to be around the prior year win %.

 

Agreed.

 

The team was 8 games over .500, as late as August 26th, but they collapsed over the final 5 weeks of the season. It's easy to remember how poorly we looked in our most recent games, but we were not all that bad for over 5 months.

 

We were 72-66 on September 4th.

 

Finishing 6-18 was horrible, and maybe that was who we really were more like than earlier in the season. It seems some felt it was.

 

I still think this team could be in contention, if we add a #1 or solid #2 type. (Note: I consider a top 30 SP'er a "number 1." To me, Monty is a #1.)

[moonslav59]

My problem with that is...they already have the damn payroll room if they're serious about adding a quality SP'er.

 

That's the part that bugs me and brought out my "sham" comment. "Full throttle" or "pushing all levers" includes spending.

 

We could get competitive by just spending to within a couple million of the first line.

 

If we cut some salary by trading Yoshida or Jansen, and spent up to the line, maybe we could even look like co-faves for making the WC slot.

 

Hell, there is no reason to think we couldn't spend up to the second line, but these guys have their plans and budgets.

[notin]

Agreed.

 

The team was 8 games over .500, as late as August 26th, but they collapsed over the final 5 weeks of the season. It's easy to remember how poorly we looked in our most recent games, but we were not all that bad for over 5 months.

 

We were 72-66 on September 4th.

 

Finishing 6-18 was horrible, and maybe that was who we really were more like than earlier in the season. It seems some felt it was.

 

I still think this team could be in contention, if we add a #1 or solid #2 type. (Note: I consider a top 30 SP'er a "number 1." To me, Monty is a #1.)

 

 

The pessimistic viewpoint is always that the 24 game sample is reality and the 138 game sample was the outlier.

 

The Sox are not the horrible team many claim they are. But it’s hard to see them taking the AL East.

 

Then again, who said “Baltimore!!” twelve months ago?

[mvp 78]

It's gonna be a stunner if they don't spend much more this year. They'll be 30 million or so below the first tax threshold. How the f*** they think fans and media won't go apeshit about that is beyond me.

 

They'll spend less than last year and most likely under 215M. That's what I've seen and heard.

 

Maybe they sign a platoon bat like Grichuk and sign Clevinger too? That would keep them under 215. Bringing back Justin Turner could push them over that amount, but he provides some defense at 3B and 1B.

[mvp 78]

The pessimistic viewpoint is always that the 24 game sample is reality and the 138 game sample was the outlier.

 

The Sox are not the horrible team many claim they are. But it’s hard to see them taking the AL East.

 

Then again, who said “Baltimore!!” twelve months ago?

 

Baltimore had a clearer path with the young talent they have. Sox could be in that position in '26 for sure.

[Bellhorn04]

They'll spend less than last year and most likely under 215M. That's what I've seen and heard.

 

Maybe they sign a platoon bat like Grichuk and sign Clevinger too? That would keep them under 215. Bringing back Justin Turner could push them over that amount, but he provides some defense at 3B and 1B.

 

No matter what arguments they're now putting out about playin' the kids, it's impossible for them to cover up the fact that a payroll that low is strictly in the interests of ownership.

[mvp 78]

Agreed.

 

The team was 8 games over .500, as late as August 26th, but they collapsed over the final 5 weeks of the season. It's easy to remember how poorly we looked in our most recent games, but we were not all that bad for over 5 months.

 

We were 72-66 on September 4th.

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Finishing 6-18 was horrible, and maybe that was who we really were more like than earlier in the season. It seems some felt it was.

 

I still think this team could be in contention, if we add a #1 or solid #2 type. (Note: I consider a top 30 SP'er a "number 1." To me, Monty is a #1.)

 

They were 57-54 on 8/6, then got to play the dregs of the league: KC, DET, WSH, NYY. After that, they turtled. This was not a very good team. Season was over when they lost 2 of 3 in OAK in mid July.

[mvp 78]

No matter what arguments they have about playin' the kids, it's impossible for them to cover up the fact that a payroll that low is strictly in the interests of ownership.

 

I agree. You play the kids, but supplement the kids with a few high priced FA in places where you don't have kids to play: SP1 and SP2.

[Bellhorn04]

They were 57-54 on 8/6, then got to play the dregs of the league: KC, DET, WSH, NYY. After that, they turtled. This was not a very good team. Season was over when they lost 2 of 3 in OAK in mid July.

 

It was a team that could have been pretty good if they had signed a good starting pitcher instead of Kluber, and then followed up with an acquisition or two at the deadline.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Baltimore had a clearer path with the young talent they have. Sox could be in that position in '26 for sure.

 

Or the Orioles; according to current prospect ratings on MLB.com, Baltimore still has the #1 shortstop, #2 catcher, #4 third baseman and #7 second baseman ON THE RISE.

 

The Rays only have the #1 first baseman and #1 third baseman (and #8). In baseball.

 

Where does the Red Sox' mighty core of their future sustained World Series contenders rate? Mayer and Teel are both #5 guys. But coming in hot for first baseman at #7: Blaze Jordan.

[notin]

They were 57-54 on 8/6, then got to play the dregs of the league: KC, DET, WSH, NYY. After that, they turtled. This was not a very good team. Season was over when they lost 2 of 3 in OAK in mid July.

 

57-54 extrapolates out to an 83 win team…

[mvp 78]

It was a team that could have been pretty good if they had signed a good starting pitcher instead of Kluber, and then followed up with an acquisition or two at the deadline.

 

1. Sign Kyle Gibson instead of Kluber (same deal as Kluber's)

2. Play Kiké at 2B instead of SS

3. Sign Elvis Andrus to play SS like we all asked

 

That's a much better Opening Day lineup. Cheap trade for Hill at the deadline just to add to the rotation. Prospect for Lorenzen and don't run him to the ground the way the Phills did?

[mvp 78]

57-54 extrapolates out to an 83 win team…

 

If they only played that way for the full season!

[mvp 78]

Or the Orioles; according to current prospect ratings on MLB.com, Baltimore still has the #1 shortstop, #2 catcher, #4 third baseman and #7 second baseman ON THE RISE.

 

The Rays only have the #1 first baseman and #1 third baseman (and #8). In baseball.

 

Where does the Red Sox' mighty core of their future sustained World Series contenders rate? Mayer and Teel are both #5 guys. But coming in hot for first baseman at #7: Blaze Jordan.

 

I think Teel is better than people think. I'm higher on Anthony than Mayer. I don't care about Jordan at all. I'd deal him for a middle reliever.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think Teel is better than people think. I'm higher on Anthony than Mayer. I don't care about Jordan at all. I'd deal him for a middle reliever.

 

That video of Anthony taking swings off Matt Holliday, along with Jackson and Ethan Holliday, in their home batting cage -- three big lefty line drive machines, and it was hard to tell them apart.

[notin]

If they only played that way for the full season!

 

A simple 13-14 September and they do…

[notin]

1. Sign Kyle Gibson instead of Kluber (same deal as Kluber's)

2. Play Kiké at 2B instead of SS

3. Sign Elvis Andrus to play SS like we all asked

 

That's a much better Opening Day lineup. Cheap trade for Hill at the deadline just to add to the rotation. Prospect for Lorenzen and don't run him to the ground the way the Phills did?

 

Other than hindsight, why would the Sox have signed Kyle Gibson over Kluber?

[moonslav59]

The pessimistic viewpoint is always that the 24 game sample is reality and the 138 game sample was the outlier.

 

The Sox are not the horrible team many claim they are. But it’s hard to see them taking the AL East.

 

Then again, who said “Baltimore!!” twelve months ago?

 

Playing less games vs the ALE, last year, as compared to 2022, was supposed to help our record. We failed to mop up on non ALE teams, like we did in '22. Maybe that chances, this season. No doubt, playing in the ALE sure hurts a team's chances, but we need to rise above that, at some point.

 

If BAL ever starts spending, watch out!

The Yanks have Judge, Soto and Cole, but their supporting cast is so fragile, I'm not as worried about them, as some seem to be.

The Rays always find a way.

The Jays might be the easiest team to catch, but my sites are on the Yanks.