Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[Bellhorn04]

His high in wins is 10 in his career, which was last year. I know some don’t care about W-L records, but that just doesn’t add up to me being worth $100M+ no matter what, or how many other stats you bring up.

 

You don't like his 3.20 ERA in 188.2 innings last year?

 

Eovaldi has a career record of 79-73 in 12 seasons/part-seasons. What do you think of him as a pitcher?

[Dipre]

His high in wins is 10 in his career, which was last year. I know some don’t care about W-L records, but that just doesn’t add up to me being worth $100M+ no matter what, or how many other stats you bring up.

 

People don't care about them because they're stupid. Check out the best season's of Jacob Degrom's and Felix Hernandez' careers and then talk to me about pitcher wins and losses.

[mvp 78]

I wouldn’t compare Monty to Scherzer. Scherzer has accomplished a hell of a lot more in his career than Monty ever has, or will. I understand W-L records, but I just don’t think Monty is worth any $100M+ contract based on what he’s done in his career so far. He had a good postseason, and is a FA, so now all of a sudden he’s a hot commodity. Even though I think he would most likely improve the rotation just don’t think he worth it. I’d pass. Just, because he’s available doesn’t mean he’s all that good.

 

He missed 18-19 due to TJS. He's been healthy and productive ever since.

 

3.61 ERA

8.44 K/9

13th most fWAR

9th most starts

19th most IP

 

Is he an ace? No, but he's at least a very good and reliable 2/3.

[Old Red]

You don't like his 3.20 ERA in 188.2 innings last year?

 

Eovaldi has a career record of 79-73 in 12 seasons/part-seasons. What do you think of him as a pitcher?

 

His ERA the past 3 seasons have been real good. The article I read on CBS predicting the contracts of the top 10 FA said said that Monty might not be a flashy as the other top FA pitchers, and some don’t view him as a frontline starter. I think that sums Onty up pretty well.

[Old Red]

He missed 18-19 due to TJS. He's been healthy and productive ever since.

 

3.61 ERA

8.44 K/9

13th most fWAR

9th most starts

19th most IP

 

Is he an ace? No, but he's at least a very good and reliable 2/3.

Productive to me means he wins games. All the other stats are good enough though.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You don't like his 3.20 ERA in 188.2 innings last year?

 

Eovaldi has a career record of 79-73 in 12 seasons/part-seasons. What do you think of him as a pitcher?

 

He's injury-prone, so he must pitch for a living. All he can do is win a World Series, every five years. Gruntled fans will be quick to point at those banners every time they see them flying, at least until eternity...

[mvp 78]

Productive to me means he wins games. All the other stats are good enough though.

 

His ERA the past 4 seasons have been real good.

[notin]

His high in wins is 10 in his career, which was last year. I know some don’t care about W-L records, but that just doesn’t add up to me being worth $100M+ no matter what, or how many other stats you bring up.

 

$100mill would be fine. But I don’t think you will get Montgomery for that price…

[notin]

People don't care about them because they're stupid. Check out the best season's of Jacob Degrom's and Felix Hernandez' careers and then talk to me about pitcher wins and losses.

 

Hernandez and deGrom had good numbers all around. If W-L record is such a tell-all, do you think Wade Miley is a better pitcher than Montgomery?

[notin]

He missed 18-19 due to TJS. He's been healthy and productive ever since.

 

3.61 ERA

8.44 K/9

13th most fWAR

9th most starts

19th most IP

 

Is he an ace? No, but he's at least a very good and reliable 2/3.

 

All true.

 

The thing is, the early buzz on Montgomery is he might be paid closer to ace money. ..

[mvp 78]

Montgomery is 24th in wins since the beginning of 2020. There are a lot of pitchers with more wins than him with much higher ERA's. Gibson has 10 more wins, but his ERA is 4.58 over that time period. I don't think anyone would say he's better than Montgomery and his contract this offseason will be much smaller than Montgomery's.

[Bellhorn04]

He missed 18-19 due to TJS. He's been healthy and productive ever since.

 

3.61 ERA

8.44 K/9

13th most fWAR

9th most starts

19th most IP

 

Is he an ace? No, but he's at least a very good and reliable 2/3.

 

He's the closest thing to the next Jon Lester.

[mvp 78]

All true.

 

The thing is, the early buzz on Montgomery is he might be paid closer to ace money. ..

 

And I'm not sure I'd pay it. I expressed that before the Rangers were even in the WS.

[moonslav59]

Montgomery has a 10.2 fWAR over the last 3 seasons. He's been pitching like a solid #2.

 

He’s no “journeyman”

[mvp 78]

He’s no “journeyman”

 

He's a very good pitcher. The question is if the money can be used more wisely if you aren't spending it on a true top of the rotation guy like Yamamoto.

[Bellhorn04]

1. Yamamoto

2. Snell

3. Montgomery

4. Gray

5. ERod

 

Those are the top 5 names after Nola's elimination.

[notin]

And I'm not sure I'd pay it. I expressed that before the Rangers were even in the WS.

 

He probably wasn’t looking at that type payday then.

 

To me, he’s a Plan B option if you can’t get Snell, Yamamoto, or Gray…

[notin]

1. Yamamoto

2. Snell

3. Montgomery

4. Gray

5. ERod

 

Those are the top 5 names after Nola's elimination.

 

 

I do like Gray over Montgomery, but I think that’s just a personal preference. I can see arguments the other way as well…

[Bellhorn04]

He probably wasn’t looking at that type payday then.

 

Even before the playoffs, he just had the best season of his career and his last 3 seasons all show a solid trend, so I think he'd still be looking at a big payday.

 

It's not like Sonny Gray has been Mr. October, but he's going to get paid too.

 

A lot of money chasing a little group of elite and semi-elite starters.

[notin]

Montgomery is 24th in wins since the beginning of 2020. There are a lot of pitchers with more wins than him with much higher ERA's. Gibson has 10 more wins, but his ERA is 4.58 over that time period. I don't think anyone would say he's better than Montgomery and his contract this offseason will be much smaller than Montgomery's.

 

Montgomery also spent most of this season pitching on a last place team. That alone can impact win totals over a 3 year stretch…

[mvp 78]

He probably wasn’t looking at that type payday then.

 

To me, he’s a Plan B option if you can’t get Snell, Yamamoto, or Gray…

 

Sonny Gray is a good pitcher, but I think may opt to have Montgomery instead. I guess it depends on the contracts.

 

Yamamoto is really the only guy I'd be all in on. Everyone else has a certain amount of concerns.

[moonslav59]

I do like Gray over Montgomery, but I think that’s just a personal preference. I can see arguments the other way as well…

 

The draft choice tilts me to Monty.

[Bellhorn04]

Sonny Gray is a good pitcher, but I think may opt to have Montgomery instead. I guess it depends on the contracts.

 

Yamamoto is really the only guy I'd be all in on. Everyone else has a certain amount of concerns.

 

There should be probably be concerns that Yamamoto will fulfill his $300 million cost too...

[Old Red]

If Monty wasn’t a FA would you trade a top prospect for him?

[Dipre]

Hernandez and deGrom had good numbers all around. If W-L record is such a tell-all, do you think Wade Miley is a better pitcher than Montgomery?

 

What? I literally said pitcher W-L basically don't matter. They're as much a product of the team as they are actual pitching performance.

[mvp 78]

There should be probably be concerns that Yamamoto will fulfill his $300 million cost too...

 

There are concerns with every pitcher simply due to the injury risk. With Yamamoto, there is a projection for a TOTR classic ace type starter. The other pitchers are 1b's or 2's. For the Sox to turn the franchise around, they need to find the next Tiant/Roger/Pedro/Sale.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

There should be probably be concerns that Yamamoto will fulfill his $300 million cost too...

 

What's the formula for WAR per million? Darvish is 37, joined MLB at 25, and has 31 WAR.

 

According to bb-ref, Darvish has made $167M to date... can we agree he's earned that? If so, does that mean Yamamoto would need close to 60 WAR to justify, say, a $330M contract (cost of living adjustments included for the next decade)?

[Dipre]

There should be probably be concerns that Yamamoto will fulfill his $300 million cost too...

 

I doubt Yama-San gets 300 mill honestly.

[mvp 78]

If Monty wasn’t a FA would you trade a top prospect for him?

 

Depends on which one. Not Mayer, Anthony or Teel. I'd package some of the other guys depending on what the contract is.

[mvp 78]

What's the formula for WAR per million? Darvish is 37, joined MLB at 25, and has 31 WAR.

 

According to bb-ref, Darvish has made $167M to date... can we agree he's earned that? If so, does that mean Yamamoto would need close to 60 WAR to justify, say, a $330M contract (cost of living adjustments included for the next decade)?

 

According to FanGraphs (the good website that looks like it's from 2008 rather than 1998), he's earned $264M to date.