Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

Isaiah Campbell could be fantastic pickup for the Red Sox.

 

Mariners fans apparently are not crazy about Luis Urias:

 

https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8824

 

Urias didn’t look great for the Sox last season. He’s not good defensively. If he’s not raking, he’s useless.

[mvp 78]

Isaiah Campbell could be fantastic pickup for the Red Sox.

 

Mariners fans apparently are not crazy about Luis Urias:

 

https://www.marinertalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8824

 

Campbell has a nice slider/sweeper, but gives up hard contact and walks too many guys. Even if he’s just on the taxi squad, it’s a good trade. Sox need someone better than Urias.

[cp176]

Makes me think we will be adding a 2Bman, this winter.

 

Trying to find an available quality second baseman would be great I think. As for trading Urias, a good trade I think. Urias is as replaceable as a player can be.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Urias didn’t look great for the Sox last season. He’s not good defensively. If he’s not raking, he’s useless.

 

A lot of MLB trades the last few days; good to see the Sox get involved. Nothing against Pablo, a bright spot on the roster last year, but second base seems wide open...

 

Is Jonathan India a fit in Boston? Let's see... 26 years old, some righty pop, negative dWAR -- all the same as Urias -- and BB-Ref Most Similar batters: 1. Estrada, 2. Gimenez, 3. Rengifo... 6. Luis Urias!

[cp176]

Trout has played an average of 79 games in the past 3 years- in peak prime years.

 

Now, he's over 32.

 

I'm all for making a super strong effort to get this team back into the mix. I just don't think going for shiny pieces is the way to do it. It might put more Sox fans in the stands or watching on TV, but my idea is to go for more reliable players, even if they are not as "shiny" as players like Trout.

 

Trout ain't a member of the totally walking wounded just yet. He could play half the games that most play and still out produce them. Everyone wants to have "more reliable" players but calling Trout "shiny" - no thanks. I want reliable players just like you do but currently I see no one in our outfield that I wouldn't gladly give up to watch this guy play even on a somewhat limited basis. I obviously doubt it happens but I like the thinking and in all honesty I don't think people would go to see him play simply for what he has done in the past.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Trout ain't a member of the totally walking wounded just yet. He could play half the games that most play and still out produce them. Everyone wants to have "more reliable" players but calling Trout "shiny" - no thanks. I want reliable players just like you do but currently I see no one in our outfield that I wouldn't gladly give up to watch this guy play even on a somewhat limited basis. I obviously doubt it happens but I like the thinking and in all honesty I don't think people would go to see him play simply for what he has done in the past.

 

Most Home Runs

45 JD Martinez 2017

43 Javy Lopez 2003

43 Matt Williams '94

40 Hank Aaron 1973

40 Ken Griffey Jr '94

40 TROUT, two years ago (when he didn't play half his games in Fenway)

[harmony]

A lot of MLB trades the last few days; good to see the Sox get involved. Nothing against Pablo, a bright spot on the roster last year, but second base seems wide open...

 

Is Jonathan India a fit in Boston? Let's see... 26 years old, some righty pop, negative dWAR -- all the same as Urias -- and BB-Ref Most Similar batters: 1. Estrada, 2. Gimenez, 3. Rengifo... 6. Luis Urias!

The timing of the trade at the non-tender deadline suggests that the Red Sox did not think Luis Urias was worth his projected 2024 salary of $4.7 million. The Mariners apparently felt otherwise.

 

Seattle adds Urias to its second base mediocrity pile of Josh Rojas, Jose Caballero, Dylan Moore and Sam Haggerty. And the Mariners are high on second base prospect Ryan Bliss, a nearly 24-year-old Mookie Betts Lite. Sort of.

Edited November 18, 2023 by harmony

[harmony]

Campbell has a nice slider/sweeper, but gives up hard contact and walks too many guys. Even if he’s just on the taxi squad, it’s a good trade. Sox need someone better than Urias.

The Red Sox essentially traded Bradley Blalock for Isaiah Campbell with two months of Luis Urias stuck in between.

[mvp 78]

Trying to find an available quality second baseman would be great I think. As for trading Urias, a good trade I think. Urias is as replaceable as a player can be.

 

An expensive replacement player too.

[mvp 78]

A lot of MLB trades the last few days; good to see the Sox get involved. Nothing against Pablo, a bright spot on the roster last year, but second base seems wide open...

 

Is Jonathan India a fit in Boston? Let's see... 26 years old, some righty pop, negative dWAR -- all the same as Urias -- and BB-Ref Most Similar batters: 1. Estrada, 2. Gimenez, 3. Rengifo... 6. Luis Urias!

 

No, India is terrible IMO. Like you said, he’s similar to Urias.

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox essentially traded Bradley Blalock for Isaiah Campbell with two months of Luis Urias stuck in between.

 

Seems fine to me.

[harmony]

Urias didn’t look great for the Sox last season. He’s not good defensively. If he’s not raking, he’s useless.

Luis Urias’ negative 2 Defensive Runs Saved in 208.2 innings at second base for the Red Sox brought his career DRS at second base down to 0 in 1080.2 innings.

 

The 26-year-old Urias has posted 11 DRS in 1319.1 career innings at third base and could audition next season to replace Seattle third baseman Eugenio Suarez, who will be in the final year of his contract.

Edited November 18, 2023 by harmony

[mvp 78]

Luis Urias’ negative 2 Defensive Runs Saved in 208.2 innings at second base for the Red Sox brought his career DRS at second base down to 0 in 1080.2 innings.

 

The 26-year-old Urias posted has posted 11 DRS in 1319.1 career innings at third base and could audition next season to replace Seattle third baseman Eugenio Suarez, who will be in the final year of his contract.

 

He’s a 3b going forward. Was a good 2b when he was younger, but I think he’s bulked up since then.

[notin]

Is there any evidence that teams actually use BTV as an analytical tool to evaluate trade possibilities?

 

I'm with Old Red on this......I have no interest in it.

 

No one cares…

[notin]

Trout has played an average of 79 games in the past 3 years- in peak prime years.

 

Now, he's over 32.

 

I'm all for making a super strong effort to get this team back into the mix. I just don't think going for shiny pieces is the way to do it. It might put more Sox fans in the stands or watching on TV, but my idea is to go for more reliable players, even if they are not as "shiny" as players like Trout.

 

Some fans couldn’t tolerate Dustin Pedroia soaking up his $13mill AAV for three years and thought he should retire. Think there is any overlap with the ones who think Trout and his 7 years / $37.2mill AAV is a good idea?

[notin]

No, India is terrible IMO. Like you said, he’s similar to Urias.

 

I don’t think India is terrible, but he is really not a 2b. And Cincy probably wants pitching for him anyway.

 

I don’t mind I’d the Sox give up a pitcher for a 2b, but I would prefer it be someone like Brendan Donovan, who is an OBP machine. At least he brings something to the table that he excels at…

[moonslav59]

Urias didn’t look great for the Sox last season. He’s not good defensively. If he’s not raking, he’s useless.

 

MLBTR disagrees with your assessment on his defense:

 

From 2021-22, Urias posted a .244/.340/.426 slash line across 1042 trips to the plate while playing strong defense at shortstop, second base, and third base ...

[moonslav59]

If he gets Yamamoto and Montgomery, he can nap the rest of the offseason.

 

Dreaming

[Bellhorn04]

Some fans couldn’t tolerate Dustin Pedroia soaking up his $13mill AAV for three years and thought he should retire. Think there is any overlap with the ones who think Trout and his 7 years / $37.2mill AAV is a good idea?

 

No one is trading for Trout unless the Angels eat a chunk.

 

The other thing is, what have Trout's injuries been, and what is the prognosis on them.

[sk7326]

Some fans couldn’t tolerate Dustin Pedroia soaking up his $13mill AAV for three years and thought he should retire. Think there is any overlap with the ones who think Trout and his 7 years / $37.2mill AAV is a good idea?

 

The rumors of him going to Philadelphia make sense - Trout is a flags fly forever move, and the Sox just are not there. The Red Sox roster right now also doesn't have the flexibility that you'd like to be able to get Trout his 500+ PAs ... and let's be clear, Trout is still a 5 win player if you could get that many PAs but that has been a struggle. Honestly, Trout would be a buy low move worth trying if the team did not have Yoshida on the roster.

[sk7326]

No one is trading for Trout unless the Angels eat a chunk.

 

The other thing is, what have Trout's injuries been, and what is the prognosis on them.

 

2023 was a broken hand, 2021 was a torn calf muscle. Last year was back problems. I'd say the back is the most problematic.

[moonslav59]

Trying to find an available quality second baseman would be great I think. As for trading Urias, a good trade I think. Urias is as replaceable as a player can be.

 

He's young and just has to play like he did "way back" in 2021-2022.

 

.766 OPS (111 OPS+) with a .340 OBP

24 HRs per 650

47 2B+3B per 650

Plus D, according to dWAR

 

How expensive will it be to find a similar profile to this?

[Bellhorn04]

He's young and just has to play like he did "way back" in 2021-2022.

 

.766 OPS (111 OPS+) with a .340 OBP

24 HRs per 650

47 2B+3B per 650

Plus D, according to dWAR

 

How expensive will it be to find a similar profile to this?

 

What the hell happened to him last year, though? The Brewers gave up on him pretty quick.

[moonslav59]

A lot of MLB trades the last few days; good to see the Sox get involved. Nothing against Pablo, a bright spot on the roster last year, but second base seems wide open...

 

Is Jonathan India a fit in Boston? Let's see... 26 years old, some righty pop, negative dWAR -- all the same as Urias -- and BB-Ref Most Similar batters: 1. Estrada, 2. Gimenez, 3. Rengifo... 6. Luis Urias!

 

India is the worst or maybe second worst defensive 2Bman in MLB.

.727 OPS '22-'23 (97 OPS+)

 

No thanks.

[moonslav59]

What the hell happened to him last year, though? The Brewers gave up on him pretty quick.

 

He had a hamstring injury, bad enough to go on the 60 day early in '23.

 

Two of several possibilities:

 

He never found his groove again.

 

The 960+ PA sample size of '21-'22 was a fluke.

 

[sk7326]

A lot of MLB trades the last few days; good to see the Sox get involved. Nothing against Pablo, a bright spot on the roster last year, but second base seems wide open...

 

Is Jonathan India a fit in Boston? Let's see... 26 years old, some righty pop, negative dWAR -- all the same as Urias -- and BB-Ref Most Similar batters: 1. Estrada, 2. Gimenez, 3. Rengifo... 6. Luis Urias!

 

I'd rather see if you can get a decent prove-it with Amed Rosario or Tim Anderson.

[Larry Cook]

2023 was a broken hand, 2021 was a torn calf muscle. Last year was back problems. I'd say the back is the most problematic.

 

Great if the Yankees trade for him and eat the entire contract

[harmony]

MLBTR disagrees with your assessment on his defense:

 

From 2021-22, Urias posted a .244/.340/.426 slash line across 1042 trips to the plate while playing strong defense at shortstop, second base, and third base ...

Luis Urias, who was born and raised in Mexico, will get to work with touted Seattle infield coach Perry Hill, who played six seasons in the Mexican League:

 

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2022/10/6/23355628/perry-hill-mariners-coach-defensive-wizardry-rooted-in-respect-jp-crawford-ty-france

 

FWIW

[moonslav59]

Some of the earlier trades/signings in 2022:

 

11/15

Rizzo NYY

Martin Perez TEX

Joc Peterson SFG

 

11/16

Teoscar traded to SEA

 

11/23

Joely Rodriguez BOS

 

12/2

Kolten Wong traded to SEA

 

12/4

Clevinger signed by CWS

 

12/5

Kershaw LAD

Gibson BAL

 

12/6

Haniger SFG

 

12/7

Heywood LAD

Verlander NYM

 

12/8

Martin BOS

T Turner PHI

 

12/9

Bogey SDP

W Contreras STL

Heaney TEX

Robertson NYM

Strahm PHI

 

12/10

Nimmo NYM

[moonslav59]

If I had to predict:

 

Ohtani to SFG

Yamamoto to NYM

Nola to PHI

Snell to NYY

Kershaw to LAD

 

Bauer to TOR

Gray to BAL

Montgomery to BOS

ERod to CHC

Imanaga to SEA

 

Lugo or Flaherty to Sox

 

Am I leaving out a big spender? (Feels like I am.)