Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[notin]

Mata isn't a starter. He has no options left. I'm not sure they can even have him on the roster next season so I think he's dealt this winter.

 

FA

Trade

Bello

Sale

Houck/Crawford

 

It’s very likely both Houck and Crawford are two starters. I think the hope is Houck can become a lesser version of Justin Steele, as both have a similar repertoire…

[Hugh2]

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Sox are adding starters this offseason and I expect one of them to be a big name. With zero moves their rotation in a few years is

 

1. Bello

2. Crawford

3. Houck

4. Whitlock

5. Murphy/Walter

 

Bello is the only sure thing there. The rest of those guys are good, and maybe 1, MAYBE 2 develop into a viable 4th/5th starter on this team but most of those guys are bullpen arms. AND I THINK THEY WILL BE REALLY GOOD THERE. But still just bullpen guys.

 

Maybe one of two from the Drohan/Perales/Wilkmen make their way into the rotation as well. With some reasonable projection maybe you have 3 starters there, maybe 4 but even in that situation it's a bunch of BOTRS filling out the entirety of the rotation. No high end talent outside of Bello (who may be a #2, not a true 1)

 

The team realistically needs to sign two starters to long term contracts over the next two seasons. They just reset. They really need sign Yama. He's the perfect fit.

[moonslav59]

I don't think (or I hope) we never see Whitlock start again, unless as an opener.

 

SP1 FA or trade

SP2 FA or trade

SP3 Bello

SP4 Houck

SP5 Pivetta/Crawford

 

Trade Mata & Dalbec

 

[mvp 78]

Sox could QO Paxton and keep him for a year. I think you do that thinking he accepts. It's overpaying but who cares???? It's for a year.

 

At this point, I don't think you offer him a QO. He's putting up worse numbers than 2022 Wacha and they didn't offer Wacha a QO. 1st half Paxton gets a QO. 2nd half Paxton is getting sent to FA.

[mvp 78]

It’s very likely both Houck and Crawford are two starters. I think the hope is Houck can become a lesser version of Justin Steele, as both have a similar repertoire…

 

That will happen if the Sox only bring in one starter. If that's the case and they are still relying on Sale as a fulltime starter, it will be another rough season for the Sox.

[mvp 78]

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Sox are adding starters this offseason and I expect one of them to be a big name. With zero moves their rotation in a few years is

 

1. Bello

2. Crawford

3. Houck

4. Whitlock

5. Murphy/Walter

 

Bello is the only sure thing there. The rest of those guys are good, and maybe 1, MAYBE 2 develop into a viable 4th/5th starter on this team but most of those guys are bullpen arms. AND I THINK THEY WILL BE REALLY GOOD THERE. But still just bullpen guys.

 

Maybe one of two from the Drohan/Perales/Wilkmen make their way into the rotation as well. With some reasonable projection maybe you have 3 starters there, maybe 4 but even in that situation it's a bunch of BOTRS filling out the entirety of the rotation. No high end talent outside of Bello (who may be a #2, not a true 1)

 

The team realistically needs to sign two starters to long term contracts over the next two seasons. They just reset. They really need sign Yama. He's the perfect fit.

 

Murphy is a bullpen guy only. They wouldn't move him back to the rotation.

 

Drohan has a lot of work to do to get to BOS. Wikelman may be closer than he is. Perales still is far away IMO. I wouldn't really count on those 3 to contribute at all next season.

 

They need 2 starters this season IF they want to make a run at the playoffs. Whitlock needs to be put in the pen. They can't count on Sale to pitch 30+ starts.

[mvp 78]

I don't think (or I hope) we never see Whitlock start again, unless as an opener.

 

SP1 FA or trade

SP2 FA or trade

SP3 Bello

SP4 Houck

SP5 Pivetta/Crawford

 

Trade Mata & Dalbec

 

 

Are you pushing Sale to the pen or trading him?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

With Bloom, I like the plan, but the execution is falling far short...

 

Too extreme... can't we just exile him to a deserted island or something.

[Hugh2]

Murphy is a bullpen guy only. They wouldn't move him back to the rotation.

 

Drohan has a lot of work to do to get to BOS. Wikelman may be closer than he is. Perales still is far away IMO. I wouldn't really count on those 3 to contribute at all next season.

 

They need 2 starters this season IF they want to make a run at the playoffs. Whitlock needs to be put in the pen. They can't count on Sale to pitch 30+ starts.

 

The fact that Chris Murphy is never going back to the rotation and him going back into the rotation two years from now only makes my point. The Sox have to look outside the organization to add to the rotation. Otherwise Chris Muprhy is going back to the rotation. And I don't think he ever goes back to the rotation.

 

Also, it doesn't matter what they need this year. The year is over, and they can't trade for anything. It would take a miracle run.

 

But, I have my eyes on the rotation of tomorrow.....or at least 2024.

Edited September 7, 2023 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[Hugh2]

I don't think (or I hope) we never see Whitlock start again, unless as an opener.

 

SP1 FA or trade

SP2 FA or trade

SP3 Bello

SP4 Houck

SP5 Pivetta/Crawford

 

Trade Mata & Dalbec

 

 

At this point, those two have virutally none to little trade value, especially Dablec. I wouldn't mind seeing them throw Mata in the pen and let it fly. They should be doing that RIGHT NOW.

[notin]

The Red Sox have been known to go balls to the wall for a free agent they really want before. It all depends on how much they want him.

 

The wall was much closer to the balls back then…

[notin]

At this point, I don't think you offer him a QO. He's putting up worse numbers than 2022 Wacha and they didn't offer Wacha a QO. 1st half Paxton gets a QO. 2nd half Paxton is getting sent to FA.

 

No QO for Paxton.

 

The purpose of the QO is to get it rejected. You don’t offer them to someone who will accept…

[notin]

I don't think (or I hope) we never see Whitlock start again, unless as an opener.

 

SP1 FA or trade

SP2 FA or trade

SP3 Bello

SP4 Houck

SP5 Pivetta/Crawford

 

Trade Mata & Dalbec

 

 

Dalbec is a 28yo AAAA player who makes less contact than most alien civilizations, and also requires a 40 man roster spot. His trade value couldn’t be lower without adding legal issues on top of things…

[Duran Is The Man]

Dalbec is a 28yo AAAA player who makes less contact than most alien civilizations, and also requires a 40 man roster spot. His trade value couldn’t be lower without adding legal issues on top of things…

 

...:D

[mvp 78]

Too extreme... can't we just exile him to a deserted island or something.

 

There are too many invasive species across the world as it is. Pass.

[Bellhorn04]

No QO for Paxton.

 

The purpose of the QO is to get it rejected. You don’t offer them to someone who will accept…

 

With the occasional exception.

[mvp 78]

At this point, those two have virutally none to little trade value, especially Dablec. I wouldn't mind seeing them throw Mata in the pen and let it fly. They should be doing that RIGHT NOW.

 

Hard to put Mata in the pen RIGHT NOW when he's injured.

[mvp 78]

No QO for Paxton.

 

The purpose of the QO is to get it rejected. You don’t offer them to someone who will accept…

 

It depends. There are some guys that are worth 1/20 and you'd gladly have them.

[mvp 78]

Dalbec is a 28yo AAAA player who makes less contact than most alien civilizations, and also requires a 40 man roster spot. His trade value couldn’t be lower without adding legal issues on top of things…

 

If he's not traded prior to the Rule 5 draft, he needs to be waived. He has no place here.

[Bellhorn04]

Dalbec is a 28yo AAAA player who makes less contact than most alien civilizations, and also requires a 40 man roster spot. His trade value couldn’t be lower without adding legal issues on top of things…

 

Not-so-fun fact:

 

Dalbec has a higher OPS than Trevor Story does with the Red Sox, and only a slightly higher K rate.

[mvp 78]

Not-so-fun fact:

 

Dalbec has a higher OPS than Trevor Story does with the Red Sox, and only a slightly higher K rate.

 

Story has been bad, but he plays very good defense at a premium position. Dalbec has been bad and plays bad defense at 1B.

[moonslav59]

At this point, those two have virutally none to little trade value, especially Dablec. I wouldn't mind seeing them throw Mata in the pen and let it fly. They should be doing that RIGHT NOW.

 

With just about no 1B depth, if JT leaves, we may hold a 40 slot for Dalbec, but I'd trade him for a non 40 man roster crapshoot guy. DFA him, if nobody wants him, but I think you are selling him short.

 

Mata may not fit into anyone's 40 man roster, so if we can't trade him, we'll have to keep him on the 40 or try to sneak him through waivers and hope he signs a minor league deal with us, I guess.

 

I'm tired of keeping injury guys on our 40, so it's time to clean some up.

[Hugh2]

With just about no 1B depth, if JT leaves, we may hold a 40 slot for Dalbec, but I'd trade him for a non 40 man roster crapshoot guy. DFA him, if nobody wants him, but I think you are selling him short.

 

Mata may not fit into anyone's 40 man roster, so if we can't trade him, we'll have to keep him on the 40 or try to sneak him through waivers and hope he signs a minor league deal with us, I guess.

 

I'm tired of keeping injury guys on our 40, so it's time to clean some up.

 

If Dalbec had any significant trade value he would have been gone at this years deadline. I think it’s telling he’s still here.

 

If Turner is gone he makes sense as depth, but he may still be better served as trade bait. I think you can get a DSL flyer on a guy for him, maybe a PTBNL.

[Hugh2]

Hard to put Mata in the pen RIGHT NOW when he's injured.

 

Even better, they should have done it months ago

[Hugh2]

At this point, I don't think you offer him a QO. He's putting up worse numbers than 2022 Wacha and they didn't offer Wacha a QO. 1st half Paxton gets a QO. 2nd half Paxton is getting sent to FA.

 

Didn’t Eovaldi look bad down the stretch too? I could be wrong.

 

I do not disagree one bit, but allow me to play devils advocate. Paxton has been very good much of the year but has not looked so hot recently. If you believe that with a full season back, and a healthy offseason that he can go further into the year next year you do it. Or at least that’s how you make sense of it.

 

But you only do it if you do believe in that, because there’s a very very very good chance he’s accepting that offerZ

[moonslav59]

Not-so-fun fact:

 

Dalbec has a higher OPS than Trevor Story does with the Red Sox, and only a slightly higher K rate.

 

Out of 26 players with the Sox with 300+ PAs since 2018, Dalbec is about mid pack at .750.

 

11. .774 Dugo

T12. .772 Holt & Ref

14. .750 Dalbec

15. Duran .729

17. Vaz .714

18. JBJ .712

19. Chavis .704

20. Wong .700

21. Plawecki .697

22. Story .691

23. Kike .690

24. Nunez .644

25. Cordero .629

26. Leon .525

 

Dalbec's career 650 PA line:

 

.231 29 85

[mvp 78]

If Dalbec had any significant trade value he would have been gone at this years deadline. I think it’s telling he’s still here.

 

If Turner is gone he makes sense as depth, but he may still be better served as trade bait. I think you can get a DSL flyer on a guy for him, maybe a PTBNL.

 

Bloom has tried to trade Dalbec for the past 12 months. He should have dumped him on another team by now.

[mvp 78]

Didn’t Eovaldi look bad down the stretch too? I could be wrong.

 

I do not disagree one bit, but allow me to play devils advocate. Paxton has been very good much of the year but has not looked so hot recently. If you believe that with a full season back, and a healthy offseason that he can go further into the year next year you do it. Or at least that’s how you make sense of it.

 

But you only do it if you do believe in that, because there’s a very very very good chance he’s accepting that offerZ

 

Eovaldi had an injury and still was a year removed from a 5.7 fWAR season. Paxton's resume isn't that.

[mvp 78]

Out of 26 players with the Sox with 300+ PAs since 2018, Dalbec is about mid pack at .750.

 

11. .774 Dugo

T12. .772 Holt & Ref

14. .750 Dalbec

15. Duran .729

17. Vaz .714

18. JBJ .712

19. Chavis .704

20. Wong .700

21. Plawecki .697

22. Story .691

23. Kike .690

24. Nunez .644

25. Cordero .629

26. Leon .525

 

Dalbec's career 650 PA line:

 

.231 29 85

 

You can't compare the OPS of a 1B with the OPS of a 2B.

[moonslav59]

If Dalbec had any significant trade value he would have been gone at this years deadline. I think it’s telling he’s still here.

 

If Turner is gone he makes sense as depth, but he may still be better served as trade bait. I think you can get a DSL flyer on a guy for him, maybe a PTBNL.

 

Can't trade JT, now.