Trade Deadline 2023

[Bellhorn04]

Thinking Sale/Houck will come back and save us is the most Bloom thing ever.

 

I suspect a reliever.

 

Maybe a mediocre starter who is durable and keeps his team in the game...flashbacks of Paul Byrd here. Not really expecting Chaim to go blockbuster on us.

[Hugh2]

Add Whitlock to that list.

 

Why would Bloom add a starter when has 3 coming back.

 

Don’t shoot the message lol

[Hugh2]

Messenger.

 

You know what I mean.

[notin]

Thinking Sale/Houck will come back and save us is the most Bloom thing ever.

 

I suspect a reliever.

 

Greatly prefer SP.

 

Whitlock and Pivetta are just much better in the pen…

[Hugh2]

Greatly prefer SP.

 

Whitlock and Pivetta are just much better in the pen…

 

Reality is you probably don’t see both of them in the bullpen during the regular season

[Maxbialystock]

Maybe a mediocre starter who is durable and keeps his team in the game...flashbacks of Paul Byrd here. Not really expecting Chaim to go blockbuster on us.

 

Agree a somewhat reliable starter would be great. The issue to me is always, in return for what?

[Dojji]

It would BEHOOVE Chaim Bloom to get us a starting pitcher.

 

Good luck with that in this market. I don't think you're going to get a good one without paying an insane price.

 

This is not The Year. The Year is probably 2025 at this point. 2024 is the earliest reasonable year for major buy in from the FO. This is absolutely not the time to go balls deep, get it chopped off, and have an empty ammo bin for when the real battle starts.

 

We're in 4th freaking place. We can squabble over a WC spot if we really want to, maybe we get it maybe we don't. This just doesn't seem like a good year to spend our fuel on a stern chase and a forlorn hope. We'll need those pieces for better opportunities down the road a ways.

 

Playoffs in 2023 is fool's gold. We need to keep our powder dry for better chances in future seasons.

Edited July 16, 2023 by Dojji

[notin]

Maybe a mediocre starter who is durable and keeps his team in the game...flashbacks of Paul Byrd here. Not really expecting Chaim to go blockbuster on us.

 

Like Paul Blackburn?

 

You’re coming around…

[Maxbialystock]

Add Whitlock to that list.

 

Why would Bloom add a starter when has 3 coming back.

 

Don’t shoot the message lol

 

You may be oversimplifying things. You are dead right we can't be sure who is coming back and when. Also that we can't be sure how good Sale, Houck, Whitlock, or whoever (Klubar?) will be.

 

So, yes, first priority should probably be a starter, but then the questions are: how reliable a starter and for what price in $$ and/or prospects?

[Dojji]

Greatly prefer SP.

 

Whitlock and Pivetta are just much better in the pen…

 

I have no objection to a non-rental SP. What i don't want is a guy who's done at the end of the year. That's not reflective of what we actually need.

 

That said, I wouldn't mind going for Seth Lugo from the Padres, who has a cost controlled year after this one, if I thought the Padres were ready to sell. Lugo feels like more or less exactly what we need in terms of quality reliable depth, and he'd be there to supplement Crawford and Bello to try to make a good run next year too.

[notin]

I have no objection to a non-rental SP. What i don't want is a guy who's done at the end of the year. That's not reflective of what we actually need.

 

That said, I wouldn't mind going for Seth Lugo from the Padres, who has a cost controlled year after this one, if I thought the Padres were ready to sell. Lugo feels like more or less exactly what we need in terms of quality reliable depth, and he'd be there to supplement Crawford and Bello to try to make a good run next year too.

 

1. Lugo is an interesting call.

 

2. It’s not an official MLB Trade Deadline until the Red Sox and Padres complete at least one trade…

[Dojji]

You may be oversimplifying things. You are dead right we can't be sure who is coming back and when. Also that we can't be sure how good Sale, Houck, Whitlock, or whoever (Klubar?) will be.

 

So, yes, first priority should probably be a starter, but then the questions are: how reliable a starter and for what price in $$ and/or prospects?

 

Given the track record of the last 3 seasons, count on Sale for exactly nothing. Kluber has been a regular on the IR for years as well.

[notin]

Messenger.

 

You know what I mean.

 

Too late. I already shot the message…

[Dojji]

1. Lugo is an interesting call.

 

2. It’s not an official MLB Trade Deadline until the Red Sox and Padres complete at least one trade…

 

I think it's a nonstarter but I'd go ahead and at least try to talk the Cardinals out of Jordan Montgomery too. He's got a solid track record, has pitched in the AL East before, and has 1 year remaining before he becomes a UFA. Lugo would be better because of his extensive bullpen experience making him a very interesting swing guy but I'm just looking around at guys who fit my criteria and Montgomery definitely stands out too.

 

the only reason I think it's a nonstarter is because the Cardinals tend to rarely really feel like they're down and out and so are unlikely to sell a cost controlled SP, they seem to tend to think of themselves as buyers even when things aren't going well.

[Hugh2]

You may be oversimplifying things. You are dead right we can't be sure who is coming back and when. Also that we can't be sure how good Sale, Houck, Whitlock, or whoever (Klubar?) will be.

 

So, yes, first priority should probably be a starter, but then the questions are: how reliable a starter and for what price in $$ and/or prospects?

 

What I meant was, I don’t think Bloom will do that. Apparently Sox are looking at hitters.

 

I’d be ok with a rental, but if I’m buying multiple years of control I’d prefer a pitcher too.

 

Also, apparently the system is ranked #5 now. I can’t believe I missed that.

 

http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=3458890&u=https%3A//www.si.com/mlb/cardinals/.amp/news/cardinals-slugger-loosely-linked-to-red-sox-as-trade-rumors-heat-up-nate3

[notin]

I think it's a nonstarter but I'd go ahead and at least try to talk the Cardinals out of Jordan Montgomery too. He's got a solid track record, has pitched in the AL East before, and has 1 year remaining before he becomes a UFA. Lugo would be better because of his extensive bullpen experience making him a very interesting swing guy but I'm just looking around at guys who fit my criteria and Montgomery definitely stands out too.

 

the only reason I think it's a nonstarter is because the Cardinals tend to rarely really feel like they're down and out and so are unlikely to sell a cost controlled SP, they seem to tend to think of themselves as buyers even when things aren't going well.

 

The Cardinals need to wake up and realize they’re going nowhere and could lose Montgomery, Wainwright, Flaherty, Hicks and DeJong after this year followed by O’Neill, Gallegos and Goldschmidt the next.

 

 

But hey, they get to keep Steve Matz…

[moonslav59]

I think Bloom will add a SP’er or two, so we can move someone to the pen. I doubt we go blockbuster, and may get someone’s salary dump but not pay enough to put us over the line.

[Hugh2]

I think Bloom will add a SP’er or two, so we can move someone to the pen. I doubt we go blockbuster, and may get someone’s salary dump but not pay enough to put us over the line.

 

I’d be willing to wager a very small amount of money that he does not add any starting pitchers currently in their system.

[Dojji]

I think Bloom will add a SP’er or two, so we can move someone to the pen. I doubt we go blockbuster, and may get someone’s salary dump but not pay enough to put us over the line.

 

I thought so too but I was looking for that guy on big league rosters and I didn't see him. We're actually in the middle of a major generational turnover in the league right now. There are a lot of teams going young with their starting pitching and there's a real deficit of veteran arms in the league right now. It's rather surprising. The only guy on a big contract that I think both can be had, and would be good, is Verlander, and that's assuming the Mets would eat a fair amount of that contract.

 

Again, I just don't think our chances this year are good enough to be worth a full on rental, even if there was a good one available. I'd rather get a guy with years after this one on his contract.

[Deja Doh]

This post gave me a headache.

 

Take two aspirin. Don't worry, we won't be getting Ohtani as Jackie Bradley is available. Plus if the Angels are smart, they unload the over-muscled and constantly injured Mike Trout (he's reminding me of this mentor Albert Pujols) and then sign Ohtani to a $500 million contract.

[moonslav59]

I’d be willing to wager a very small amount of money that he does not add any starting pitchers currently in their system.

 

He’s been very active at every deadline, and I have to think he addresses the rotation need.

[Bellhorn04]

Like Paul Blackburn?

 

You’re coming around…

 

Guess who's pitching for the As tonight?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He’s been very active at every deadline, and I have to think he addresses the rotation need.

 

Don't hold your breath to welcome a 2018 Eovaldi or even a 2016 Pomeranz, just off the NL All-Star team.

 

For the prospect it will cost an extreme title longshot like these '23 Sox, it may not even be reasonable to hope for a Jake Peavy, circa 2013.

 

The ceiling may be a Paul Byrd, circa 2008... with the floor a '19 Cashner.

[moonslav59]

Who is this year’s Aldo Ramirez?

[mvp 78]

Who is this year’s Aldo Ramirez?

 

Mata? Maybe Wikelman? Would a team in the hunt want a guy like Hamilton on their bench?

[notin]

Guess who's pitching for the As tonight?

 

So he’s not in the bullpen?

[Bellhorn04]

So he’s not in the bullpen?

 

We both learned something yesterday.

[moonslav59]

Mata? Maybe Wikelman? Would a team in the hunt want a guy like Hamilton on their bench?

 

What do we get for Mata and Hamilton?

[mvp 78]

What do we get for Mata and Hamilton?

 

Not Paul Blackburn.

[Bellhorn04]

Paul Blackbyrd.