04/30 Cleveland @ SOX 1:35PM ET

[d-money]

All ALE teams have winning records.

 

Have the same record as the Yankees lol who would have thunked it. Yankees are really going through it but they have had some injuries as well. Key one.

[Larry Cook]

Was sale really that good today, or was Cleveland that bad today????

[d-money]

I'm going into the BRUINS' game hoping for the best and expecting the worst. That's the only way to approach a BRUINS' 7th game.

 

Damn bro you just watched a heartbreaker. Bruins do it again. I wish this bruins core where my pallbearers so they can let me down one more time. It’s sickening the amount of choking this group has done in the playoffs ever since game 7 againsh St. Louis in the final

[Maxbialystock]

Was sale really that good today, or was Cleveland that bad today????

 

Mostly Sale, the same guy who started two starts ago. Could have been that good @ Baltimore, but I could swear they knew every pitch he threw before he threw it.

 

He's doing better than I expected, in fact way better. The rotation is still kind of flaky, however.

[Maxbialystock]

Bruins lose in OT, 4-3, so end of season for them--at the Garden.

[vegasbob]

I always thought the '78 one game loss to NYY was the worst single game I ever watched personally, and it still is. But the Bruins Game 7 OT loss to the soft as silk Florida Panthers was 1A. Terribly bad finish to a season that now doesn't matter. The Leafs will probably flush Florida in 4 , with 4 shutouts. Will actually save me a lot of time/grief not watching hockey for a long while

[d-money]

I always thought the '78 one game loss to NYY was the worst single game I ever watched personally, and it still is. But the Bruins Game 7 OT loss to the soft as silk Florida Panthers was 1A. Terribly bad finish to a season that now doesn't matter. The Leafs will probably flush Florida in 4 , with 4 shutouts. Will actually save me a lot of time/grief not watching hockey for a long while

 

 

You got that right but are you really shocked? Ever since game 7 against St. Louis this bruins core has done nothing but choke come the playoffs. They’re a soft bunch. Those are facts. Bruins crowd should have booed them out of the building. A 3-1 lead and they lose their last 3.

[Maxbialystock]

A very good win tonight and in the series. The thing about Sale's excellent start--and it truly was--is that it was pretty much unexpected.

 

The lineup has kind of a bunch of no names, but they score freaking runs. The rotation has bigger names, but is rife with inconsistency. Of the eight top WAR's on the Sox pitching staff, seven--Winckowski, Jansen, Crawford, Schreiber, Bernardino, Martin, and Kelly--belong to the bullpen. Houck has the only positive WAR among the starters.

[moonslav59]

A very good win tonight and in the series. The thing about Sale's excellent start--and it truly was--is that it was pretty much unexpected.

 

The lineup has kind of a bunch of no names, but they score freaking runs. The rotation has bigger names, but is rife with inconsistency. Of the eight top WAR's on the Sox pitching staff, seven--Winckowski, Jansen, Crawford, Schreiber, Bernardino, Martin, and Kelly--belong to the bullpen. Houck has the only positive WAR among the starters.

 

Crawford has started 2 and may end up starting more, if some of these guys don't start turning it around like Sale and Bello appear to be doing.

 

Even Houck, has faded a bit.

[Old Red]

Was sale really that good today, or was Cleveland that bad today????

 

A little bit of both along with the weather.

[Old Red]

I always thought the '78 one game loss to NYY was the worst single game I ever watched personally, and it still is. But the Bruins Game 7 OT loss to the soft as silk Florida Panthers was 1A. Terribly bad finish to a season that now doesn't matter. The Leafs will probably flush Florida in 4 , with 4 shutouts. Will actually save me a lot of time/grief not watching hockey for a long while

 

Losing the series after being up 3-1, and losing 2 of those in OT at home was embarrassing at the very least. Florida wanted it more, and they took it.

[Old Red]

Nobody has turned it around yet until it happens again, and again, which hasn’t happened yet. Sale’s last good game was followed again by a bad game, so let’s see him put a few good games together before we say even it appears he’s done something. Same with Bello who will get a good test against Toronto.

[moonslav59]

Nobody has turned it around yet until it happens again, and again, which hasn’t happened yet. Sale’s last good game was followed again by a bad game, so let’s see him put a few good games together before we say even it appears he’s done something. Same with Bello who will get a good test against Toronto.

 

True. I'd say a 3-4 game stretch of doing well, each time is needed to think maybe it's for real. (MAYBE.)

 

There is nothing wrong with being a little encouraged by just one good game, though.

[Bellhorn04]

True. I'd say a 3-4 game stretch of doing well, each time is needed to think maybe it's for real. (MAYBE.)

 

There is nothing wrong with being a little encouraged by just one good game, though.

 

Agreed. And it was to be expected that if he did get it back, it wouldn't be right away.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

True. I'd say a 3-4 game stretch of doing well, each time is needed to think maybe it's for real. (MAYBE.)

 

There is nothing wrong with being a little encouraged by just one good game, though.

 

That does it -- for the rest of this season, I'm not drinking out of a full-size glass. From now on, I'm using a shot glass, and filling it to the top.

[Old Red]

The encouraging thing about Sale is he did hit 97/98 yesterday on the gun.

[Bellhorn04]

The encouraging thing about Sale is he did hit 97/98 yesterday on the gun.

 

Yes.

[moonslav59]

That does it -- for the rest of this season, I'm not drinking out of a full-size glass. From now on, I'm using a shot glass, and filling it to the top.

 

Good take. It's the same amount as the glass half full.

 

It's all about perspective.

 

To me, I'm not just encouraged about Sale due to one start. He's looked better than his results in a few other games, and seeing his velo tick up is very exciting.

 

We all know he is a fierce competitor, and that is a real factor. In a way, I'm almost more worried him trying too hard might create another injury more than him getting complacent.

 

Having an 80-90% Sale for the remainder of the season could, by itself, get us over the hump in this "watered down" league.

 

BTW, how does balance equate to "watered down?" Did 30 of MLB's players retire, last winter?

[mvp 78]

Was sale really that good today, or was Cleveland that bad today????

 

A little bit of both.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Damn bro you just watched a heartbreaker. Bruins do it again. I wish this bruins core where my pallbearers so they can let me down one more time. It’s sickening the amount of choking this group has done in the playoffs ever since game 7 againsh St. Louis in the final

 

The pressure in this series was on the BRUINS and they couldn't handle it. Florida shouldn't have even qualified for the PO's so no pressure on them and that's how they played. Bergy playing injured didn't help.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I always thought the '78 one game loss to NYY was the worst single game I ever watched personally, and it still is. But the Bruins Game 7 OT loss to the soft as silk Florida Panthers was 1A. Terribly bad finish to a season that now doesn't matter. The Leafs will probably flush Florida in 4 , with 4 shutouts. Will actually save me a lot of time/grief not watching hockey for a long while

 

How about the SOX 7th game loss to the Yankems in 2003 or there 6th game loss to the Mets in '86. I believe both of them qualify as worst single game losses.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The pressure in this series was on the BRUINS and they couldn't handle it. Florida shouldn't have even qualified for the PO's so no pressure on them and that's how they played. Bergy playing injured didn't help.

 

Btw, that was the first time the BRUINS lost 3 in a row all season. Great time for that to happen.

[Maxbialystock]

A little bit of both.

 

I watched the game and thought he was terrific.

 

Granted, Cleveland's runs-scoring is like 25th of 30 MLB teams. However, in the first two games they scored 5 runs off Houck and won the game and then 7 runs, mostly off the bullpen--Brasier, of course--before losing to the Sox on Saturday. .

 

And yesterday in the 6th inning they definitely had something going with Kwan doubling to lead off, then Rosario singling and on the idiotic throw by Verdugo--which, you guessed it, Sale, ever the professional backing up home plate, caught, thus keeping Rosario on 2b. So then the fly out, the soft ground out to Wong, and the grounder to Turner to Sale covering 1B.

 

I'm not against a high 90's fastball, but I frankly believe a good changeup against those righty bats would do more good. In any case, this year Sale is using a four pitches: slider, fastball, cut fastball, and changeup.

 

I also thought something was weird in his previous outing in Baltimore where he gave up 5 runs on 9 hits in 5 innings with no K's. My strong impression was that the Orioles hitters knew what Sale was throwing before he released the ball.

 

If you assume something weird happened in Baltimore--to Sale's great disadvantage--then he's actually pitching decently for three straight outings. He is definitely back--and far more so than we had any right to expect.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Bergy didn't deserve to have his career end in such a s***** way, but as Clint Eastwood replied in the movie UNFORGIVEN "deserves has nothing to do with it."

[jad]

I always thought the '78 one game loss to NYY was the worst single game I ever watched personally, and it still is. But the Bruins Game 7 OT loss to the soft as silk Florida Panthers was 1A. Terribly bad finish to a season that now doesn't matter. The Leafs will probably flush Florida in 4 , with 4 shutouts. Will actually save me a lot of time/grief not watching hockey for a long while

 

But at least Bergeron didn't get a penalty shot in the overtime, wind up just inside the blue line, and hit a pop-up.

[moonslav59]

Btw, that was the first time the BRUINS lost 3 in a row all season. Great time for that to happen.

 

The Year of the 8th Seed.

 

MIA> Bucks

 

FLA> BOS

 

ARK> KAN in NCAA

[mvp 78]

If you assume something weird happened in Baltimore--to Sale's great disadvantage--then he's actually pitching decently for three straight outings. He is definitely back--and far more so than we had any right to expect.

 

I just think we are going to see lots of ups and downs from Sale this season. It should even out after a while, but it will be a bumpy ride.

[dgalehouse]

Btw, that was the first time the BRUINS lost 3 in a row all season. Great time for that to happen.

 

Playoffs = Crapshoot

[cukes]

I just think we are going to see lots of ups and downs from Sale this season. It should even out after a while, but it will be a bumpy ride.

 

it can take up to a whole season of pitching after TJ surgery to get your form back, TJ himself went through this and wound up with 289 career wins, give Sale a chance not the type of player who will dog it

[moonslav59]

it can take up to a whole season of pitching after TJ surgery to get your form back, TJ himself went through this and wound up with 289 career wins, give Sale a chance not the type of player who will dog it

 

It may take Sale less time, as he missed some time after TJS due to other non-arm related injuries.

 

You are right, though, it takes time to get that muscle memory back.