A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[moonslav59]

To be brutally frank about it, Turner's 0.4 fWAR makes him a below-average player. Maybe he'll get hot and change that. There's always hope.

 

0.4 x 3 is better than average. (1/3 season)

 

2 yr bWAR (2022-2023)

2.5 Turner

2.0 JD

 

3 yr

6.0 Turner

5.2 JD

 

4 yr

7.5 Turner

4.4 JD

 

fWAR

2 yr

2.8 Turner

2.0 JD

 

3 yr

7.1 Turner

4.8 JD

 

4 yr

8.5 Turner

3.8 JD

[dannycater]

JD 12 HR, 39 RBI, .278...Turner 6 HR, 22 RBI, .267....JD is also getting hotter.

[dannycater]

Bloom is killing the franchise. Killing it. Unwatchable team...

[Bellhorn04]

0.4 x 3 is better than average. (1/3 season)

 

No, the average WAR for a full-time position player is approximately 2.

[Randy Red Sox]

Sox are about a 525 team. Accept it and move on. They are just lucky there is a balanced schedule this year.

Bloom is killing the franchise. Killing it. Unwatchable team...

[Randy Red Sox]

I agree that this JDM for Turner switch is not hurting the team. problem is the team is on the hook for 2 years at MORE money for Turner than the LAD signed JDM for on only a 1 yr deal. Not to mention the difference in ages.

Good stuff, now with JD the fall-off appears to be more pronounced than the last several years. Maybe thats a coincidence and this is a SSS....or it could just be that he wears out quicker and it's getting worse because he's getting up there with age.

 

If the later is true, he probably falls off a cliff in a month. If he doesn't.....good for him. Turner is fine though. He's certainly not hurting the team.

[Dipre]

Sox are about a 525 team. Accept it and move on. They are just lucky there is a balanced schedule this year.

 

Noted. I will stop following the Red Sox the rest of the season, as .525 is not enough to get into the playoffs this season. I'll try my hand at competitive backgammon to fill the void in my "free" time.

[dgalehouse]

J.D. has clearly been better than Justin Turner so far this season. And Nate has been light years better than Kluber. That is the reality. Now, things could change as the season moves along . But that is speculation. Reality vs speculation.

[mvp 78]

J.D. has clearly been better than Justin Turner so far this season. And Nate has been light years better than Kluber. That is the reality. Now, things could change as the season moves along . But that is speculation. Reality vs speculation.

 

JD has been better, but Justin fits what this team needs more.

 

Kluber has been a problem. When Nate came back to the Sox after receiving the offer from TEX, Bloom shouldn't have brushed him off if he really wanted him in the first place. Go over the CBT this year. Reset next year. Maybe they really didn't want him? IDK.

[moonslav59]

J.D. has clearly been better than Justin Turner so far this season. And Nate has been light years better than Kluber. That is the reality. Now, things could change as the season moves along . But that is speculation. Reality vs speculation.

 

Nobody disagrees with this.

 

BTW, Yoshida has been better than Bogey, Duvall/Duran better than JBJ/Pham, and Verdugo in RF better than Verdugo in LF.

 

McGuire/Wong> Vaz/Plawecki, IMO.

Edited June 2, 2023 by moonslav59

[Maxbialystock]

JD 12 HR, 39 RBI, .278...Turner 6 HR, 22 RBI, .267....JD is also getting hotter.

 

I just want to make sure I have this right. You consider this Sox team to be unwatchable, but you seem to pin that observation on us watching freaking JDM swing and miss and swing and miss and swing and miss at sliders low and away. We watched him do that all last year and it got really old.

 

Maybe the Dodgers fixed him. Maybe he fixed himself. But, if he had stayed in Boston, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind he would still be swinging and missing sliders low and away.

[dgalehouse]

Trying to pump up the optimism a bit. Sox now have a pretty good chance to get some revenge for the Flop at the Trop earlier this year. The Rays just lost a couple to the Cubs . They are showing some vulnerability. Their bullpen is a mess . They have tried to patch some holes by dumpster diving lately. Cash has been trying to mix and match with what he has. I think the Sox could be catching them at just the right time this weekend. Stay tuned.

[mvp 78]

I just want to make sure I have this right. You consider this Sox team to be unwatchable, but you seem to pin that observation on us watching freaking JDM swing and miss and swing and miss and swing and miss at sliders low and away. We watched him do that all last year and it got really old.

 

Maybe the Dodgers fixed him. Maybe he fixed himself. But, if he had stayed in Boston, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind he would still be swinging and missing sliders low and away.

 

44.6% whiff rate against sliders.

[Bellhorn04]

Nobody disagrees with this.

 

BTW, Yoshida has been better than Bogey

 

Bogaerts fWAR 2.0

Yoshida fWAR 1.2

[Bellhorn04]

I just want to make sure I have this right. You consider this Sox team to be unwatchable, but you seem to pin that observation on us watching freaking JDM swing and miss and swing and miss and swing and miss at sliders low and away. We watched him do that all last year and it got really old.

 

Maybe the Dodgers fixed him. Maybe he fixed himself. But, if he had stayed in Boston, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind he would still be swinging and missing sliders low and away.

 

This is no different than the complaints about Devers swinging from his heels at everything. It's like we think they should hit .400. MLB pitchers are really tough.

[mvp 78]

Bogaerts fWAR 2.0

Yoshida fWAR 1.2

 

Xander 59 wRC+ in May and is having "wrist" problems again.

[mvp 78]

Masataka 142 wRC+

Xander 110 wRC+ and trending down

[Maxbialystock]

This is no different than the complaints about Devers swinging from his heels at everything. It's like we think they should hit .400. MLB pitchers are really tough.

 

He doesn't swing from his heels at everything, but does do it a lot and does K a lot.

 

However, last night in his 2d at bat he swung hard at a 99 mph fastball near or above the top of the zone and drove it to deep centerfield for a double. In the 8th inning he semi-golfed a changeup low in the zone and also drove it to deep centerfield.

 

In addition, Devers is 9 years younger than JDM. When JDM was Devers age, 26, he was back in the minors with the Toledo Mud Hens.

 

Also, to remind: I've already said I'm a big JDM fan because I believed he transformed the Sox lineup in 2018 and made everyone else better. So I'm happy for his success with the Dodgers. But, based on all those missed sliders last year, I think the Sox were right not to bid for him to return.

 

And, while Turner is the ostensible JDM replacement, I think Yoshida is too because he is the least effective of our outfielders.

[moonslav59]

He doesn't swing from his heels at everything, but does do it a lot and does K a lot.

 

However, last night in his 2d at bat he swung hard at a 99 mph fastball near or above the top of the zone and drove it to deep centerfield for a double. In the 8th inning he semi-golfed a changeup low in the zone and also drove it to deep centerfield.

 

In addition, Devers is 9 years younger than JDM. When JDM was Devers age, 26, he was back in the minors with the Toledo Mud Hens.

 

Also, to remind: I've already said I'm a big JDM fan because I believed he transformed the Sox lineup in 2018 and made everyone else better. So I'm happy for his success with the Dodgers. But, based on all those missed sliders last year, I think the Sox were right not to bid for him to return.

 

And, while Turner is the ostensible JDM replacement, I think Yoshida is too because he is the least effective of our outfielders.

 

Yes!

 

JD was a great signing, and he was worth more than what we paid him. Not many players make me feel like that.

 

It would have been fine to bring him back for one year, but we needed someone who could play 1B and back up Devers at 3B. Turner was a good signing.

 

I hope his second half tradition of heating up, happens, this year.

[Nick]

I'm not sure Kluber vs Nate is the right comparison.

 

I would go with

Sale vs Nate

 

Kluber vs Wacha

 

Paxton vs Hill

 

Bello vs Bello, Winck, Kutter

 

Pivetta vs Pivetta

 

Now we have replaced Kluber with Houck and Pivetta with Whitlock

 

That's how I see it.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not sure Kluber vs Nate is the right comparison.

 

I would go with

Sale vs Nate

 

Kluber vs Wacha

 

Paxton vs Hill

 

Bello vs Bello, Winck, Kutter

 

Pivetta vs Pivetta

 

Now we have replaced Kluber with Houck and Pivetta with Whitlock

 

That's how I see it.

 

Kluber vs. Nate is just a comparison of pitchers we could have signed in the offseason.

[Nick]

Kluber vs. Nate is just a comparison of pitchers we could have signed in the offseason.

 

My point is Sox did not expect Kluber to 'replace' Nate.

 

Money rules and their contracts are vastly different.

 

From that perspective Yoshida replaced Xander even though they play different position.

Edited June 2, 2023 by Nick

[moonslav59]

Kluber vs. Nate is just a comparison of pitchers we could have signed in the offseason.

 

The way most budget sites show it, we could have signed Nate instead of Kluber and still been under the tax line, but maybe with no wiggle room at the deadline.

[Nick]

Really sad to see Sale news conference.

 

He's obviously frusrated. Just got to feel for him.

 

He can be shut down at any point. That's where he is.

[moonslav59]

Chris Sale had a news conference at which he said he couldn’t provide details beyond the “inflammation” diagnosis, which seems to be a placeholder until they have something more specific. He had an MRI and a CT scan and has more tests scheduled. He did say he doesn’t think this will require surgery.

 

Sale had a news conference at which he said he couldn’t provide details beyond the “inflammation” diagnosis, which seems to be a placeholder until they have something more specific. He had an MRI and a CT scan and has more tests scheduled. He did say he doesn’t think this will require surgery.

 

-The Athletic

[dannycater]

Wacha and Eavoldi were just named NL/AL Pitchers of the Month....you can't make this stuff up.

[Randy Red Sox]

Sox are 11th in MLB payroll now and these were the orders Henry gave to Bloom. I place most of the blame on John Henry who I wish would sell the team. Bloom simply has to follow orders.

The way most budget sites show it, we could have signed Nate instead of Kluber and still been under the tax line, but maybe with no wiggle room at the deadline.

[Bellhorn04]

The way most budget sites show it, we could have signed Nate instead of Kluber and still been under the tax line, but maybe with no wiggle room at the deadline.

 

Cot's has us under by 16.2 mill

Spotrac has us under by 23.5 mill

Roster Resource has us under by 11.2 mill, but they show Hosmer at 15.4 mill, which I'm 100% sure is an error

 

Cot's number looks right to me.

[Bellhorn04]

Wacha and Eavoldi were just named NL/AL Pitchers of the Month....you can't make this stuff up.

 

Coincidentally, Kluber was named Washed Up Bum of the Month.

[dannycater]

Coincidentally, Kluber was named Washed Up Bum of the Month.

 

Bloom Doom...