Red Sox trade for Adalberto Mondesi

[moonslav59]

Mondesi has mad skills, but the chances he gets 650 PAs are only slightly greater than the chances I do…

 

I mentioned the 650 number to give an idea of his skill level, not as a realistic hope of happening.

[dgalehouse]

Steroids guy.

[mvp 78]

Steroids guy.

 

"Cough Syrup" guy.

[moonslav59]

I had suggested a few trades on BTV for Mondesi and sometimes him and Michael A Taylor. I think one was Murphy and Dalbec for the 2 of them.

[Larry Cook]

I think Hang’em Chaim has gone from snorting cocaine to snorting drain-o!

[moonslav59]

I think Hang’em Chaim has gone from snorting cocaine to snorting drain-o!

 

That's what you said when we added Schreiber, Refsnyder and Kelly.

[Deja Doh]

Mondesi vs Bogaerts. Hmm. Wow, what a step down. If we were bringing on his old man, that would be one thing. Adalberto's career OBP is 0.280. 280? We need people to get on base. Chaim is buying empty bags.

[Bellhorn04]

Mondesi vs Bogaerts. Hmm. Wow, what a step down. If we were bringing on his old man, that would be one thing. Adalberto's career OBP is 0.280. 280? We need people to get on base. Chaim is buying empty bags.

 

Mondesi's pluses are defense and speed. He also has some power. But yeah, he's not gonna hit at the top of the order...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Mondesi's pluses are defense and speed. He also has some power. But yeah, he's not gonna hit at the top of the order...

 

Even a young, strong athlete loses a step after blowing out an ACL. But it will be interesting to see who makes a better comeback -- without as many chronic setbacks -- Mondesi or Story.

[moonslav59]

Mondesi vs Bogaerts. Hmm. Wow, what a step down. If we were bringing on his old man, that would be one thing. Adalberto's career OBP is 0.280. 280? We need people to get on base. Chaim is buying empty bags.

 

We should see better to much better OBPs at 1B (.302 in 2022), 3B (.349), LF (.307), CF (.300), RF (.295)and maybe C (.313), 2B (.313) & DH (.331).

 

Yes, big step down on SS offense, but there are 8 other batting slots and 9 slots to try and improve on D. SS D should be better. 1B D will be better. The rest is up in the air.

[moonslav59]

Mondesi's pluses are defense and speed. He also has some power. But yeah, he's not gonna hit at the top of the order...

 

SS defense is very important. While improving our defense there will not come close to offsetting the loss on offense without Bogey, it can be one part of the whole picture of improvements that offset the losses and then some.

 

No doubt, we had a ton of ifs to start with. Adding a star from Japan and aging or oft-injured promising players at other slots only added to the list of questions. I will say, not all questions get answered in the negative, and we don't need even 75-80% answered positively to be a better team.

 

We just need the non-questionable players to play to their norms and maybe just a clear majority of the bigger questions to come out well.

 

3 out of 4 would be nice:

Yoshida

Sale

Kike

Casas

 

3 out of 5 might be needed:

Whitlock

Houck

Paxton

McGuire

Duvall

 

Maybe 3-4 out of 7:

Arroyo/Mondesi/EValdez (Mayer/Story?)

Turner

Wong/Alfaro

Dugo

Tapia/Rafaela

Jansen/Martin/Schreiber

Rodriguez/Mills/Brasier/Crawford/Wink/Kelly/German/Ort/Mata/Walter/Murphy

 

 

[mvp 78]

Even a young, strong athlete loses a step after blowing out an ACL. But it will be interesting to see who makes a better comeback -- without as many chronic setbacks -- Mondesi or Story.

 

With Mondesi, they are just looking to find a stop gap for the year. I think they need Story to just get healthy again and play out the remainder of the contract AT 2B.

[Bellhorn04]

We should see better to much better OBPs at 1B (.302 in 2022), 3B (.349), LF (.307), CF (.300), RF (.295)and maybe C (.313), 2B (.313) & DH (.331).

 

Yes, big step down on SS offense, but there are 8 other batting slots and 9 slots to try and improve on D. SS D should be better. 1B D will be better. The rest is up in the air.

 

"Up in the air" kind of describes the 2023 Red Sox.

[notin]

With Mondesi, they are just looking to find a stop gap for the year. I think they need Story to just get healthy again and play out the remainder of the contract AT 2B.

 

He might play some SS depending on if/when Mayer gets called up. But I would expect the bulk of his time to be at 2b…

[mvp 78]

He might play some SS depending on if/when Mayer gets called up. But I would expect the bulk of his time to be at 2b…

 

I think his defense played up at 2B. I'd personally keep him there.

[moonslav59]

"Up in the air" kind of describes the 2023 Red Sox.

 

With $70-80M to spend, I had hoped for more definitiveness.

 

Sure bets are expensive, so we spent on promises.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"Up in the air" kind of describes the 2023 Red Sox.

 

I'm looking forward to Mayer at short and Rafaela in center: coffee in '23, full breakfast in '24, brunch in '25, primed and timed for feasting in '26 -- when Bleis will be the starting rightfielder on the AL All-Star team.

 

By then, maybe Bello-Whitlock-Mata will give Boston its first trio of starting pitchers to each log 150+ IP since Eovaldi-Pivetta-ERod in '21. Maybe the new Red Sox GM will even sign (or trade for) a legitimately durable pitcher in his prime for more than one year.

 

Mix in Casas, Devers, and possibly Yorke and/or Lugo in some combo of 2B/LF/DH... can we hang in there for three more years?

[mvp 78]

With $70-80M to spend, I had hoped for more definitiveness.

 

Sure bets are expensive, so we spent on promises.

 

 

Too many holes to fill and not enough guys at the upper levels to fill them, yet.

[mvp 78]

I'm looking forward to Mayer at short and Rafaela in center: coffee in '23, full breakfast in '24, brunch in '25, primed and timed for feasting in '26 -- when Bleis will be the starting rightfielder on the AL All-Star team.

 

By then, maybe Bello-Whitlock-Mata will give Boston its first trio of starting pitchers to each log 150+ IP since Eovaldi-Pivetta-ERod in '21. Maybe the new Red Sox GM will even sign (or trade for) a legitimately durable pitcher in his prime for more than one year.

 

Mix in Casas, Devers, and possibly Yorke and/or Lugo in some combo of 2B/LF/DH... can we hang in there for three more years?

 

If we're really forecasting a homegrown 2026 rotation:

Bello

Whitlock

Perales

E Rodriguez Cruz

Paez

 

German, Fernandez, Wikelman and Mata in the pen.

[moonslav59]

I'm looking forward to Mayer at short and Rafaela in center: coffee in '23, full breakfast in '24, brunch in '25, primed and timed for feasting in '26 -- when Bleis will be the starting rightfielder on the AL All-Star team.

 

By then, maybe Bello-Whitlock-Mata will give Boston its first trio of starting pitchers to each log 150+ IP since Eovaldi-Pivetta-ERod in '21. Maybe the new Red Sox GM will even sign (or trade for) a legitimately durable pitcher in his prime for more than one year.

 

Mix in Casas, Devers, and possibly Yorke and/or Lugo in some combo of 2B/LF/DH... can we hang in there for three more years?

 

2024 is the 5th year of the 5 year plan. If you want to just throw out 2020, then 2025 would be "the year."

 

We can have the same pitching staff in 2024 as 2023, but by 2025, some major changes will have to be made.

 

Verdugo is gone in 2025, but the 2024 line-up looks promising:

 

C McGuire/Wong

1B Casas/Dalbec/Kavadas/Jordan

2B Story/Yorke/Valdez

SS Mayer (Story)

3B Devers/Lugo

LF Yoshida

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu

DH Turner

 

[moonslav59]

If we're really forecasting a homegrown 2026 rotation:

Bello

Whitlock

Perales

E Rodriguez Cruz

Paez

 

German, Fernandez, Wikelman and Mata in the pen.

 

Soxprospects.com "Futures Page" has this for '26:

 

Whitlock, Bello, Mata, Walter, Wikelman, Perales

 

Houck, Kelly, German, Crawford, Wink, Murphy, Drohan, E R-c, Mills

[Bellhorn04]

With $70-80M to spend, I had hoped for more definitiveness.

 

Sure bets are expensive, so we spent on promises.

 

 

Lots of short-term deals. It's pretty clear now what Bloom is doing, I just hope he survives long enough to see it through.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2024 is the 5th year of the 5 year plan. If you want to just throw out 2020, then 2025 would be "the year."

 

 

Not sure about Perales yet -- 160 pounder, has to mature and fill out; could be a bullpen stud. Mata at 70 pounds heavier may be built more as an innings-eater (yada ya, Mookie's too short and Judge is too big).

 

One of Mayer or Rafaela will be an instant favorite in '24, but plummet from the sophomore jinx in '25... then get really good in '26. Bleis will be 22 by then and will either be our JRod or a Rusney, maybe even traded while there's still potential.

[moonslav59]

Lots of short-term deals. It's pretty clear now what Bloom is doing, I just hope he survives long enough to see it through.

 

Yes, "promises" and "bridges."

[mvp 78]

2024 is the 5th year of the 5 year plan. If you want to just throw out 2020, then 2025 would be "the year."

 

We can have the same pitching staff in 2024 as 2023, but by 2025, some major changes will have to be made.

 

Verdugo is gone in 2025, but the 2024 line-up looks promising:

 

C McGuire/Wong

1B Casas/Dalbec/Kavadas/Jordan

2B Story/Yorke/Valdez

SS Mayer (Story)

3B Devers/Lugo

LF Yoshida

CF Rafaela

RF Abreu

DH Turner

 

 

I'm not sure I see Jordan or Yorke reaching BOS in '24. Lugo could be a good UTIL guy, but also trade fodder. Kavadas seems to be DH only profile. Why not add Scott or Hickey for '24? Hickey is currently at the same level as Jordan.

[mvp 78]

Soxprospects.com "Futures Page" has this for '26:

 

Whitlock, Bello, Mata, Walter, Wikelman, Perales

 

Houck, Kelly, German, Crawford, Wink, Murphy, Drohan, E R-c, Mills

 

They can't be right all the time.

[moonslav59]

They can't be right all the time.

 

They openly admit it's a wild guess.

[mvp 78]

Not sure about Perales yet -- 160 pounder, has to mature and fill out; could be a bullpen stud. Mata at 70 pounds heavier may be built more as an innings-eater (yada ya, Mookie's too short and Judge is too big).

 

One of Mayer or Rafaela will be an instant favorite in '24, but plummet from the sophomore jinx in '25... then get really good in '26. Bleis will be 22 by then and will either be our JRod or a Rusney, maybe even traded while there's still potential.

 

Mata is NOT an innings eater. He hasn't had a healthy season since 2017.

[mvp 78]

They openly admit it's a wild guess.

 

Yeah, we're guessing about some guys that are still in the complex league. Nobody knows, not even the people that work with them everyday.

[Hugh2]

They openly admit it's a wild guess.

 

Also there is this.

 

"Disclaimer: This Future Projected Rosters page is NOT intended to reflect our actual roster projections for future years. These rosters only include players who are under team control for the respective future seasons, and do not account for trades, free agent signings, re-signings, future draft picks, or other acquisitions. These projections only include players under team control for future years (even if in some cases that control is subject to a player option). This page will be updated on a monthly basis."