Devers signs 11 year $331 million extension

[StephenCurry30]

He won't be worth the contract. He's too much of a defense liability for that. He would have to hit like Ortiz did in order to be worth this contract.

 

Devers doesn’t beat his wife or rape anyone. lets just be happy he’s a good guy and has a cute chunky face we all want to pinch

[StephenCurry30]

Raffy earns way too much if he morphs more into a DH. Bloom could have paid big bucks for the star who could play superior defense at 3 positions and who could run, but he opted for the DH with no speed and stone hands.

the bigger issue was paying Yoshida who sucks more than devers on defense, can’t run and can’t hit like devers and is 5 years older

[a700hitter]

the bigger issue was paying Yoshida who sucks more than devers on defense, can’t run and can’t hit like devers and is 5 years older

Every GM except for Bloom knew that the Yoshida was a big overpay.

[StephenCurry30]

Every GM except for Bloom knew that the Yoshida was a big overpay.

 

at least Chaim made up for it by signing Corey Kluber

[a700hitter]

at least Chaim made up for it by signing Corey Kluber

A blind person could have seen that fail coming.

[Jasonbay44]

And you literally just said he's having a down year when in reality is about his career avg. So you saying he's worth the contract with what you just said makes no sense.

 

I was making a joke about people complaining he’s having a down year… his “down years” are still extremely good. He’s a great player and you still ignored what was your alternative? Trade him? Let him walk? He was going to get paid by somebody if not the Sox.

[notin]

Devers doesn’t beat his wife or rape anyone. lets just be happy he’s a good guy and has a cute chunky face we all want to pinch

 

It’s truly awful that it has come to appreciating Devers that way. But so far, you’re absolutely correct…

[redsoxrules]

I was making a joke about people complaining he’s having a down year… his “down years” are still extremely good. He’s a great player and you still ignored what was your alternative? Trade him? Let him walk? He was going to get paid by somebody if not the Sox.

 

Yes but he's not having a down year.

The fact that they let Mookie and Xander go, they should have let Devers go as well. It doesn't make sense to let go those 2 previous players and keep the lesser one for close to the same price tag.

 

The thing with Devers is he's grip and rip. He's having some good seasons for sure but for paying him that much, he needs to play at an MVP level which he hasn't sniffed yet.

If he had more patience at the plate and take his walks he would become an MVP type player even with his s*** defense.

 

Could he adjust in the future? Maybe but he's been in the league a long time now so I can't see that changing.

 

The Red Sox should have pulled an Atlanta Braves move on him and signed him a few years back for 200 MIL or around there.

[Dipre]

Devers is a year-in, year-out top-25 offensive player. What the hell are you even talking about?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The thing with Devers is he's grip and rip. He's having some good seasons for sure but for paying him that much, he needs to play at an MVP level which he hasn't sniffed yet.

If he had more patience at the plate and take his walks he would become an MVP type player even with his s*** defense.

 

Could he adjust in the future? Maybe but he's been in the league a long time now so I can't see that changing.

 

The Red Sox should have pulled an Atlanta Braves move on him and signed him a few years back for 200 MIL or around there.

 

You just stated the real problem with this franchise: instead of extending and locking up young stars at market value -- and thus saving money, before future of cost-of-living increases -- the Red Sox repeatedly try to squeeze every last ounce of blood, sweat and UCL tears out of their players. They could've signed Lester, Betts, and Bogaerts, among others, for longterm and reasonable rates -- if they didn't instead lowball and alienate them all.

 

It's been going on for at least a decade now, so we know that's three different GMs... following orders from the owners'... direct phone calls from Pottersville.

 

Before someone posts huge nine-figure offers that Mookie turned down, remember that every number the Sox approached him with since he was arb-eligible was outdated by at least a year or two by market increases. Every time.

[mvp 78]

You just stated the real problem with this franchise: instead of extending and locking up young stars at market value -- and thus saving money, before future of cost-of-living increases -- the Red Sox repeatedly try to squeeze every last ounce of blood, sweat and UCL tears out of their players. They could've signed Lester, Betts, and Bogaerts, among others, for longterm and reasonable rates -- if they didn't instead lowball and alienate them all.

 

It's been going on for at least a decade now, so we know that's three different GMs... following orders from the owners'... direct phone calls from Pottersville.

 

Before someone posts huge nine-figure offers that Mookie turned down, remember that every number the Sox approached him with since he was arb-eligible was outdated by at least a year or two by market increases. Every time.

 

Sox always seem to have "a number" and rarely budget from it until they got to the Devers extension.

[Old Red]

Sox always seem to have "a number" and rarely budget from it until they got to the Devers extension.

 

And like I said before he just happened to be the last man standing when it came time to get a big contract from the Sox. Right place at the right time. Who knows what would have happened in Red Sox Nation if that hadn’t of happened.

[moonslav59]

Sox always seem to have "a number" and rarely budget from it until they got to the Devers extension.

 

Yes, even in the days of Theo and others.

Pedro

A Beltre

Damon...

 

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, even in the days of Theo and others.

Pedro

A Beltre

Damon...

 

 

There's one common denominator...

[Old Red]

Every GM except for Bloom knew that the Yoshida was a big overpay.

 

That was the word on the street, and that is why Boris shut the bidding down that had NEVER happened that quick before.

[Dipre]

That was the word on the street, and that is why Boris shut the bidding down that had NEVER happened that quick before.

 

Boris?

[moonslav59]

There's one common denominator...

 

Indeed, and yet each GM keeps getting the brunt of the blame.

[moonslav59]

Boris?

 

Boris Badenov, of course.

[Maxbialystock]

I've never worried about his swing or approach to the K zone.

 

He'll look bad on some swings, but he also hit balls out of the K zone for Hrs enough times, for it not to be a big concern, for me.

 

Maybe, as he ages and loses his edge a little, it might become a major concern, but often player figure it out as they mature and make adjustments.

 

IMO, Devers is fine, as is on offense.

 

I'm also a believer in the benefit of having a line-up that has players with differing approaches. It makes it harder on opposing pitchers and when most batters can't figure out that day's pitcher, the unique approach guy does.

 

Pretty good insights. Plus the latest commentary says he has adjusted his swing to take advantage of going to the opposite field.

 

Plus, as I've already said on another thread, this year Devers has been hands down the healthiest guy on the team with the most games played. He also leads the Sox in OPS, total bases, rbi's, dingers, runs scored, etc.

[Maxbialystock]

He won't be worth the contract. He's too much of a defense liability for that. He would have to hit like Ortiz did in order to be worth this contract.

 

Ortiz was decent at 1b, but only played there when the Sox couldn't have a DH.

 

3B is a much harder position than 1B, especially that long throw from outside the 3d base foul line. Plus running in on dribblers.

 

And just where were you when Bogey inherited the SS position in 2014 and held onto it for 9 freaking seasons? Most people agree that SS is the most important defensive position, but the Sox have always preferred good bats in that position.

 

Devers is a good fit at 3b and currently leads the Sox in games played, OPS, dingers, rbi's, runs scored, total bases, etc.

[moonslav59]

Pretty good insights. Plus the latest commentary says he has adjusted his swing to take advantage of going to the opposite field.

 

Plus, as I've already said on another thread, this year Devers has been hands down the healthiest guy on the team with the most games played. He also leads the Sox in OPS, total bases, rbi's, dingers, runs scored, etc.

 

Devers has slumped before, and we heard the same things, then.

 

Many players go through funks and learn or relearn how to get out of them.

 

Devers always has, so why change a great thing?

 

As bad as some think he has been, this year, he currently ranks:

10th in OPS at .880

11th in wOBA at .370

15th in wRC+ at 131

[mvp 78]

Ortiz was decent at 1b, but only played there when the Sox couldn't have a DH.

 

If you go by errors and Fielding % (no DRS/OAA in Ortiz's day), he's twice was bad as 2023 Triston Casas and people want to make him the DH.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In what has been a season of inconsistency, Devers just tied Jim Rice for most HRs in history by a Red Sox batter before turning 27.

 

Rice fell off a cliff at about age 34 and still made the Hall of Fame.

 

Their career on base, slugging and OPS are nearly identical... Raffy should be ok.

[Bellhorn04]

In what has been a season of inconsistency, Devers just tied Jim Rice for most HRs in history by a Red Sox batter before turning 27.

 

Rice fell off a cliff at about age 34 and still made the Hall of Fame.

 

Their career on base, slugging and OPS are nearly identical... Raffy should be ok.

 

And FanGraphs now has his WAR at 3.6 and his dollar value at 28.8 mill, in spite of the fielding issues.

[mvp 78]

And FanGraphs now has his WAR at 3.6 and his dollar value at 28.8 mill, in spite of the fielding issues.

 

Considering the increase in FA costs, they'll probably have to increase the 8M valuation for 1 fWAR at some point too.

[Bellhorn04]

Considering the increase in FA costs, they'll probably have to increase the 8M valuation for 1 fWAR at some point too.

 

Yeah, I'm not sure how often they adjust it, if it's a rolling average or what.

[Maxbialystock]

If you go by errors and Fielding % (no DRS/OAA in Ortiz's day), he's twice was bad as 2023 Triston Casas and people want to make him the DH.

 

I thought Ortiz, given his bat, was adequate at 1b when the had to play there to play at all.

 

Of course Casas is better. He's 6'5" with a good reach which he has worked hard to make better on those throws to 1B. When he has to throw to 2b, he's been fine. His weakness is grounders, but I expect he will improve there. Meanwhile, he's got the best Sox bat at 1b since Youk.

[moonslav59]

106 seasons by 1Bmen qualified since 2021 on OAA: here are the worst 11 scores by season:

 

-13 Vlad Jr '23

-11 Lowe '22

-10 Casas '23

-9 Votto '22 & Gurriel '22

-8 Hoskins '22

-7 Torkelson '23, Cordero '22, Alonso '22

-6 Dalbec '21

 

What is it with our 1Bmen and D?

 

BTW, run the same report on 3B and 112 qualify:

112. Devers in '21 -14

106. Devers in '23 -7

77. Devers in '22 at -2

(I had hopes after 2022 he might keep improving.)

 

He did the same, earlier in his career: (2017-2019: 108 qualified at 3B)

101 in 2017 -9

83 in 2018 at -4

#2 in 2019!!!! at +17

 

 

 

[Old Red]

106 seasons by 1Bmen qualified since 2021 on OAA: here are the worst 11 scores by season:

 

-13 Vlad Jr '23

-11 Lowe '22

-10 Casas '23

-9 Votto '22 & Gurriel '22

-8 Hoskins '22

-7 Torkelson '23, Cordero '22, Alonso '22

-6 Dalbec '21

 

What is it with our 1Bmen and D?

 

BTW, run the same report on 3B and 112 qualify:

112. Devers in '21 -14

106. Devers in '23 -7

77. Devers in '22 at -2

(I had hopes after 2022 he might keep improving.)

 

He did the same, earlier in his career: (2017-2019: 108 qualified at 3B)

101 in 2017 -9

83 in 2018 at -4

#2 in 2019!!!! at +17

 

 

 

Bobby D started out as a 3B, so it didn’t help his D moving to 1B. It doesn’t work with everyone.

[dgalehouse]

Too many defensive metrics out there. How reliable are they ? OAA for heaven sakes. Which pencil neck geek came up with that one ?