Devers next deal

[Bellhorn04]

Ultimately, to me, the biggest "mistake" was getting a lousy comp pick for Bogey. Whether Bloom begged to trade him and wasn't allowed to, or he recommended we extend him and wasn't allowed to, it's on him. I realize those are two big ifs and neither seem likely, so it does appear Bloom deserves some or much of the blame for the return we got on Bogey.

 

Bogey's production from here on out will ultimately determine how bad, or perhaps good, it was letting him go. The return will always be a mistake that may or may not have involved "misreading the room" to any or to a varying extent.

 

You'll keep saying it was the return that was the mistake.

 

Others will keep saying it was not locking him up before free agency.

 

So we have a lot to look forward to here!

[Old Red]

You'll keep saying it was the return that was the mistake.

 

Others will keep saying it was not locking him up before free agency.

 

So we have a lot to look forward to here!

 

He has misread the room as much as Bloom did. I think most Red Sox fans that aren’t on here would rather have Bogey then any kind of damm comp pick, and blame Bloom for not offering Bogey a fair deal last offseason, and not letting Bogey get to FA. Same with Raffy that even though Raffy hasn’t gotten to FA yet he might as well have, because by not locking Raffy up last offseason I would say the price has gone up at least a $100M with the way contacts have been handled out this offseason' and I don’t see any advantage for Raffy to sign now without Raffy testing the FA waters. Once again Bloom misread the room, and botched Raffy up too.

[notin]

If you're asking if I'd rather trade Devers before the season than at the deadline, my answer is yes.

 

Don't go the prom with me, just so you can dress up and look good for all the scholar-athletes. If we're breaking up, let's get it over with now, so we can all get a fresh start.

 

So what about playing out the season?

 

At what point do you decide the fire sale begins in February?

[Bellhorn04]

He has misread the room as much as Bloom did. I think most Red Sox fans that aren’t on here would rather have Bogey then any kind of damm comp pick, and blame Bloom for not offering Bogey a fair deal last offseason, and not letting Bogey get to FA. Same with Raffy that even though Raffy hasn’t gotten to FA yet he might as well have, because by not locking Raffy up last offseason I would say the price has gone up at least a $100M with the way contacts have been handled out this offseason' and I don’t see any advantage for Raffy to sign now without Raffy testing the FA waters. Once again Bloom misread the room, and botched Raffy up too.

 

The problem is that the Sox front office will never ever fess up on whether they really wanted to retain Bogaerts or not.

 

As you know I am much more inclined to hold Henry responsible than Bloom. When an owner really wants to keep a guy he makes sure it happens, the way Hal did with Judge.

[moonslav59]

You'll keep saying it was the return that was the mistake.

 

Others will keep saying it was not locking him up before free agency.

 

So we have a lot to look forward to here!

 

I'm fine with the larger mistake being called "not locking him up earlier," but at what cost?

 

Probably, the best chance we had was when DD got him to agree to the $20M x 6 year deal with the opt out after year 3, which essentially extended him just one year beyond his initial FA date. I'm not saying this to shift blame away from Bloom. Bloom had his chances, too.

 

It's easy to say, we shoulda-coulda way b ack, and now with salaries sky-rocketing, almost any number from years ago would look great, now, but looking great and being great are two different things. Deals made years ago would also have included more prime years than any deal made this winter. Of course, I wish we had locked him up before it came to think.

 

Had DD offered Boegy $25M x 6, he might have taken it, and we'd have 2 more years of Bogey- taking him exactly to the end of his prime years. I'm not sure Bloom would have been allowed to rework Bogey's deal during the 2020 year of uncertainty, but he did have time before 2021 and 2022 to try and get things done. This whole make a low ball offer and then do nothing narrative irks me as being either a really dumb and repeated strategy by upper Sox management since the Lester fiasco or a misrepresentation of what really happened in the negotiations. I tend to think it's the Sox playing dumb games they keep losing, but part of me thinks they never wanted to "win" these negotiation games to begin with. They never wanted to sign Lester and near FA market value (the whole over 30 SP'er policy) and the same with Bogey. If this is the case, then, to me, the return or lack of one is the biggest mistake, as of now. If Bogey does great for the next 3-5 years, then the bigger mistake can be called "letting him go."

[Bellhorn04]

I'm fine with the larger mistake being called "not locking him up earlier," but at what cost?

 

Probably, the best chance we had was when DD got him to agree to the $20M x 6 year deal with the opt out after year 3, which essentially extended him just one year beyond his initial FA date. I'm not saying this to shift blame away from Bloom. Bloom had his chances, too.

 

It's easy to say, we shoulda-coulda way b ack, and now with salaries sky-rocketing, almost any number from years ago would look great, now, but looking great and being great are two different things. Deals made years ago would also have included more prime years than any deal made this winter. Of course, I wish we had locked him up before it came to think.

 

Had DD offered Boegy $25M x 6, he might have taken it, and we'd have 2 more years of Bogey- taking him exactly to the end of his prime years. I'm not sure Bloom would have been allowed to rework Bogey's deal during the 2020 year of uncertainty, but he did have time before 2021 and 2022 to try and get things done. This whole make a low ball offer and then do nothing narrative irks me as being either a really dumb and repeated strategy by upper Sox management since the Lester fiasco or a misrepresentation of what really happened in the negotiations. I tend to think it's the Sox playing dumb games they keep losing, but part of me thinks they never wanted to "win" these negotiation games to begin with. They never wanted to sign Lester and near FA market value (the whole over 30 SP'er policy) and the same with Bogey. If this is the case, then, to me, the return or lack of one is the biggest mistake, as of now. If Bogey does great for the next 3-5 years, then the bigger mistake can be called "letting him go."

 

My assumption is that the Red Sox could have signed Bogey to that 6/162 offer if they made it before the 2022 season.

 

Which would make it very close to Story's deal.

 

If we have to wait until the deal is over to pass judgment, we also have to do that with Story, Yoshida, or just about any signing, for that matter.

[Old Red]

The problem is that the Sox front office will never ever fess up on whether they really wanted to retain Bogaerts or not.

 

As you know I am much more inclined to hold Henry responsible than Bloom. When an owner really wants to keep a guy he makes sure it happens, the way Hal did with Judge.

 

You are right that we may never know what instructions Bloom had when it came to signing Bogey, and yes JH could have could have made it happen, but if they never really wanted Bogey in the first place then the dog, and pony show the Kennedy, and Bloom put on saying how much they wanted Bogey that to me is worse than Bloom misreading the room.

[Bellhorn04]

You are right that we may never know what instructions Bloom had when it came to signing Bogey, and yes JH could have could have made it happen, but if they never really wanted Bogey in the first place then the dog, and pony show the Kennedy, and Bloom put on saying how much they wanted Bogey that to me is worse than Bloom misreading the room.

 

This team's public image is terrible right now, there's no question about that.

[Old Red]

My assumption is that the Red Sox could have signed Bogey to that 6/162 offer if they made it before the 2022 season.

 

Which would make it very close to Story's deal.

 

If we have to wait until the deal is over to pass judgment, we also have to do that with Story, Yoshida, or just about any signing, for that matter.

 

I just don’t get what purpose the 1 yr ext offer made, or what good could have possibly come out of that in Red Sox minds. The offer was so bad that it didn’t even warrant a counter offer. I agree also that something around the 6/162 would have been accepted, or a least a good negotiation point, which by all accounts never happened.

[moonslav59]

The problem is that the Sox front office will never ever fess up on whether they really wanted to retain Bogaerts or not.

 

As you know I am much more inclined to hold Henry responsible than Bloom. When an owner really wants to keep a guy he makes sure it happens, the way Hal did with Judge.

 

They will never say "We did not want Bogey," even if they never did. That would be fantricide.

 

More likely is they never wanted Boget at what they felt the market price was at anytime.

 

They may not have wanted him at $25M x 6, when DD extended him 3 years ago.

They may not have wanted him at $170M/6 at the time of the Story signing, although I'm not sure Bogey would say yes to either.

They certainly did not want him near $280M/11.

 

This doesn't mean they never wanted him- just that they never wanted him at an acceptable amount for Bogey & BorA$$,

 

My position has been, all along, that they never felt he was worth market rates, and knowing this, they should have known they'd never re-sign him and should have traded him for better than a comp pick.

 

They may have misread the market or call it "misread the room," if you wish, but either way, they were never going to meet the demands of BorA$$. It's not the first time a GM failed to meet a BorA$$ demand.

 

The big assumption, being made here, is that Bogey at $200M/6 or 7 or whatever anyone concocts as an offer Bogey might have or would have accepted 1, 2 or 3 years ago would be better than not having him. This may very well be proven true, but it's not a given.

 

It turned out to be true with Lester, as he did very well after we "let him walk," but it does not always work out that way. The Ellsbury case comes to mind as one many felt was a big mistake not extending earlier. While not many liked the amount the Yanks ended up paying him, he never cam close to earning even what we had felt we could have extended him to a year or two earlier.

 

Chances are Bogey earns $170M/6 or $200M 8 or $225M/9, especially when you factor in rising salaries and inflation, but it is not a sure b et.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So what about playing out the season?

 

At what point do you decide the fire sale begins in February?

 

You know it's not about a fire sale, but all about one guy -- the sole survivor of past glory, the wunderkind about to enter his prime.

 

I'm sure a lot of fans would like to see Raffy crush 20 last homers in his Red Sox career through April-May-June-July, but we also know Boston is fully capable of finishing in last place with or without him.

 

What I'm not on board with, though, is another toxic repeat of Bloom and Kennedy lying about priorities and competing, and the press pressing Devers daily about his future, and Red Sox Nation agonizing about Raffy, and maybe the worst part -- the specter of Rich Man Walking hovering over a clubhouse of teammates who may still want to win, but definitely want a chance to succeed and strike it rich, themselves (and "don't ask me, ask him").

 

Plus, who's to say that the Sox won't be just as competitive -- and fun to watch -- with a rookie like Baty at third, instead, proving himself worthy of a pre-arb lockdown contract?

[moonslav59]

My assumption is that the Red Sox could have signed Bogey to that 6/162 offer if they made it before the 2022 season.

 

Which would make it very close to Story's deal.

 

If we have to wait until the deal is over to pass judgment, we also have to do that with Story, Yoshida, or just about any signing, for that matter.

 

I'd have been happy had we offered and Bogey accepted $162M/6, last March. I'm not sure he'd have taken it, but my guess is, he will earn that or more, perhaps much more.

 

I can't imagine the Sox being so dumb as to think they'd take Bogey at $162M/6, but felt waiting until he became a FA would somehoe allow them to get him for less or the same. That leads me to think one of two things:

 

1. They did not think he was worth $162M/6, last March.

2. They thought he was was worth $162M/6, last March, but did not think he'd accept $162M/6, and so never offered that (which seems dumb, unless something BorA$$ told them made them feel an offer like that would have been pointless.)

[moonslav59]

You are right that we may never know what instructions Bloom had when it came to signing Bogey, and yes JH could have could have made it happen, but if they never really wanted Bogey in the first place then the dog, and pony show the Kennedy, and Bloom put on saying how much they wanted Bogey that to me is worse than Bloom misreading the room.

 

1. The dog and pony show could have been what they were told to put on.

2. They may have truly wanted Bogey, but never met the meeting point with BorA$$ to get it done, so saying they wanted him was never dog and pony show, because it was the truth.

 

Is it possible they really wanted him but never above $160M/6?

 

If yes, where is the lie?

 

You can say that was a massive "misread of the room," if they ever felt they could get him for that, but if they believed that offer might be close, again, it's not a dog and pony show. If Bogey does not earn $160M/6, it's not a misread of the room in any way, shape or form, either, but that remains to be determined.

 

At this point we can opine about mistakes made, misreading rooms or whatever, but we won't know the results, until years from now. What we do know, now, is taht we could have gotten more than a lousy comp pick for him. That doesn't mean I'm saying that is the bigger or b iggest mistake made- it's just the only known one we have, right now.

[moonslav59]

This team's public image is terrible right now, there's no question about that.

 

That's the part that confuses me. They seemed to make choices in the interests of not upsetting fans and revenue streams, yet they ended up pissing off fans more than I've ever seen, since the late 70's early 80's star purges.

 

Do they really think most Sox fans are so dumb as to not see through all this and be more pissed than had they traded Bogey or even just JD?

 

I guess they may think we have short memories and winning would help erase the anger, but nobody is super impressed with what they did, this winter to make winning a 2023 expectation or even hope for most fans.

[moonslav59]

You know it's not about a fire sale, but all about one guy -- the sole survivor of past glory, the wunderkind about to enter his prime.

 

I'm sure a lot of fans would like to see Raffy crush 20 last homers in his Red Sox career through April-May-June-July, but we also know Boston is fully capable of finishing in last place with or without him.

 

What I'm not on board with, though, is another toxic repeat of Bloom and Kennedy lying about priorities and competing, and the press pressing Devers daily about his future, and Red Sox Nation agonizing about Raffy, and maybe the worst part -- the specter of Rich Man Walking hovering over a clubhouse of teammates who may still want to win, but definitely want a chance to succeed and strike it rich, themselves (and "don't ask me, ask him").

 

Plus, who's to say that the Sox won't be just as competitive -- and fun to watch -- with a rookie like Baty at third, instead, proving himself worthy of a pre-arb lockdown contract?

 

The Mets would probably be dumb to trade Baty for Devers, but since they can lock Devers up forevers, they would almost certainly do it.

 

The Sox better make a trade like that, if they know they are not going to extend him. Pissing off the fans should not be a reason to keep Devers for one year then get just another comp pick. They will be triple pissed getting nothing for him. It's just putting off the anger.

[Old Red]

1. The dog and pony show could have been what they were told to put on.

2. They may have truly wanted Bogey, but never met the meeting point with BorA$$ to get it done, so saying they wanted him was never dog and pony show, because it was the truth.

 

Is it possible they really wanted him but never above $160M/6?

 

If yes, where is the lie?

 

You can say that was a massive "misread of the room," if they ever felt they could get him for that, but if they believed that offer might be close, again, it's not a dog and pony show. If Bogey does not earn $160M/6, it's not a misread of the room in any way, shape or form, either, but that remains to be determined.

 

At this point we can opine about mistakes made, misreading rooms or whatever, but we won't know the results, until years from now. What we do know, now, is taht we could have gotten more than a lousy comp pick for him. That doesn't mean I'm saying that is the bigger or b iggest mistake made- it's just the only known one we have, right now.

Like I have said before that if I had a $ for every time you said that the Red Sox did not want to match Boris asking price I could have matched SD offer myself. There has never been a report of Boris asking for a price prior to last offseason, or anytime, before Bohey got to FA, so how do you know what that was that you keep repeating over, and over and that’s why Bogey wasn’t resigned. I know it fits your narrative, because to you Bloom just couldn’t be so bad, and in over his head, and misread the room, which to me is most likely the scenario.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The problem is that the Sox front office will never ever fess up on whether they really wanted to retain Bogaerts or not.

 

As you know I am much more inclined to hold Henry responsible than Bloom. When an owner really wants to keep a guy he makes sure it happens, the way Hal did with Judge.

 

I probably say this once a year now, but it still irks me that in Bloom's first winter, after he traded Betts, he was allowed to say the Red Sox wouldn't be as good; what recently-hired CEO in any industry gets to publicly announce his company will now be worse?

 

That quote had to have been approved of, in advance, by Henry... maybe even agreed upon during Bloom's job interview.

 

If not, either way, no one in the front office has been honest with the public ever since.

 

(but everyone can argue they really want to win the World Series -- we all want to win, after all)

[Bellhorn04]

I probably say this once a year now, but it still irks me that in Bloom's first winter, after he traded Betts, he was allowed to say the Red Sox wouldn't be as good; what recently-hired CEO in any industry gets to publicly announce his company will now be worse?

 

That quote had to have been approved of, in advance, by Henry... maybe even agreed upon during Bloom's job interview.

 

If not, either way, no one in the front office has been honest with the public ever since.

 

(but everyone can argue they really want to win the World Series -- we all want to win, after all)

 

All I can surmise is that from the day Bloom was hired, or actually before, Henry envisioned a 4-5 year rebuild. And he knew that it might not go over well with the fans.

 

And at some point they decided they might have to lie a little to get through the 4-5 years...

[Old Red]

All I can surmise is that from the day Bloom was hired, or actually before, Henry envisioned a 4-5 year rebuild. And he knew that it might not go over well with the fans.

 

And at some point they decided they might have to lie a little to get through the 4-5 years...

I don’t think many are buying the lies though.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

All I can surmise is that from the day Bloom was hired, or actually before, Henry envisioned a 4-5 year rebuild. And he knew that it might not go over well with the fans.

 

And at some point they decided they might have to lie a little to get through the 4-5 years...

 

Right -- remember the furor when Epstein accidentally said "bridge year"?

 

But there's your answer for whether Bloom will see this plan through and let Bloom do his thing.

 

Instead of hiring a new GM and paying really good players, it's cheaper to just embellish...

[moonslav59]

Like I have said before that if I had a $ for every time you said that the Red Sox did not want to match Boris asking price I could have matched SD offer myself. There has never been a report of Boris asking for a price prior to last offseason, or anytime, before Bohey got to FA, so how do you know what that was that you keep repeating over, and over and that’s why Bogey wasn’t resigned. I know it fits your narrative, because to you Bloom just couldn’t be so bad, and in over his head, and misread the room, which to me is most likely the scenario.

 

If I had a dollar for everytime you said Bloom misread the room, we'd be able to have signed Bogey and Devers.

 

Okay, even if there was never a set asking price given by BorA$$, we all know how he negotiates, and to me, it's not a clear mistake we never offered what BorA$$ would have accepted and finally did accept with SD.

 

Neither of us know what it would have taken, and both of us are basing our positions on our opinions and beliefs based on speculation.

 

The difference is, I know this and say this about my opinion. You act like it is a fact Bloom misread the room, when he might have known all along what was going on and never wanted Bogey at the price it would have taken to get him.

 

Can we agree that he never made an offer BorA$$ would have accepted, otherwise Bogey would be a Red Sox, right now?

 

We can disagree or agree on why or why not he never did, but we do know they never reached a meeting point acceptable to both sides. If no num ber was ever put forth by BorA$$, I'd find it hard to lay blame on a GM for not meting it. If no counter offer was ever made by Bloom beyond that $30M/1 added on, I'd certainly agree a mistake was made. Why not even try another offer? Maybe JH said no. Maybe Bloom convinced JH to not make another offer.

 

Again, we won't know if that was mistake or not, until we see what Bogey does or doesn't do.

 

I've never said Bloom is blameless. I don't feel the need to assign blame as much as you and others do, and I certainly don't feel the need to try and narrow the blame down to just one person, when there are so many complexities than go back years and years and involve many moving parts, the biggest of which is JH's ever-changing checkbook and not whoever the GM is.

[Old Red]

If I had a dollar for everytime you said Bloom misread the room, we'd be able to have signed Bogey and Devers.

 

Okay, even if there was never a set asking price given by BorA$$, we all know how he negotiates, and to me, it's not a clear mistake we never offered what BorA$$ would have accepted and finally did accept with SD.

 

Neither of us know what it would have taken, and both of us are basing our positions on our opinions and beliefs based on speculation.

 

The difference is, I know this and say this about my opinion. You act like it is a fact Bloom misread the room, when he might have known all along what was going on and never wanted Bogey at the price it would have taken to get him.

 

Can we agree that he never made an offer BorA$$ would have accepted, otherwise Bogey would be a Red Sox, right now?

 

We can disagree or agree on why or why not he never did, but we do know they never reached a meeting point acceptable to both sides. If no num ber was ever put forth by BorA$$, I'd find it hard to lay blame on a GM for not meting it. If no counter offer was ever made by Bloom beyond that $30M/1 added on, I'd certainly agree a mistake was made. Why not even try another offer? Maybe JH said no. Maybe Bloom convinced JH to not make another offer.

 

Again, we won't know if that was mistake or not, until we see what Bogey does or doesn't do.

 

I've never said Bloom is blameless. I don't feel the need to assign blame as much as you and others do, and I certainly don't feel the need to try and narrow the blame down to just one person, when there are so many complexities than go back years and years and involve many moving parts, the biggest of which is JH's ever-changing checkbook and not whoever the GM is.

 

There has never been a report that I know of that Bloom made any other offer to Bogey last offseason except for the 1 yr ext. You have repeatedly said over, and over that the Red Sox did not want to meet Boris asking price yet you can’t say what the asking price is.

[moonslav59]

I probably say this once a year now, but it still irks me that in Bloom's first winter, after he traded Betts, he was allowed to say the Red Sox wouldn't be as good; what recently-hired CEO in any industry gets to publicly announce his company will now be worse?

 

That quote had to have been approved of, in advance, by Henry... maybe even agreed upon during Bloom's job interview.

 

If not, either way, no one in the front office has been honest with the public ever since.

 

(but everyone can argue they really want to win the World Series -- we all want to win, after all)

 

The thing is, they were so bad in 2020, that saying we will be better in 2021 and then 2022 was actually not lying.

 

A lie has to be an intentional statement made knowing it is false.

 

We all thought the 2021 team was better than 2020. We all thought the 2022 team was better than 2020- some felt better than 2021, too.

 

As notin said, the whole "competitive" statement has changed with the extra playoff berths, so that might not be a lie, either.

 

As far as I know, they have never said "highly competitive" since the DD years- just words like "better" and "competitive.' Competitive with who? The Orioles?

 

I get your point, though. They have projected an image that while the farm is a top priority, the ML club has been expected to be playoff worthy in 2021, 2022 and now 2023.

 

Again, I take it back to after the Story signing in March. Did most of us think we'd make the playoffs in '22?

 

If most of us did, and I think that was the case, how can we now say, they knew we'd suck and lied to us all along?

[moonslav59]

There has never been a report that I know of that Bloom made any other offer to Bogey last offseason except for the 1 yr ext. You have repeatedly said over, and over that the Red Sox did not want to meet Boris asking price yet you can’t say what the asking price is.

 

Yes, I have said I do not think any second offer was ever officially made.

Yes, I have said I am not aware of any asking price BorA$$ ever made.

 

That doesn't change the fact that at no point did Bloom and BorA$$ ever come to a meeting point on an acceptable offer from either side.

 

Why no offers were made from both sides, if true, is a big wonder, but I don't think I'm crazy to think and believe that Bloom never felt any offer he would counter with would have been accepted by BorA$$ and Bogey. Bloom either valued Bogey lower than what he felt BorA$$ would ever accept or never felt Bogey was worth whatever number might have been accepted had he offered it.

 

I'm not sure why this position seems so unbelievable to you.

 

Had the two sides ever been really close, Bogey would be here, now. No matter what all the swirling speculations and what ifs abound, that seems like an essential truth. Oversimplifying, yes, but a truth, nonetheless.

[moonslav59]

There has never been a report that I know of that Bloom made any other offer to Bogey last offseason except for the 1 yr ext.

 

It was reported we were close to signing him, shortly before we found out he signed with the padres, so I'm not so sure why "reports" matter much, anymore to you or to anyone.

 

I'm fine accepting that no offers were ever made by either side after that initial lowball offer. It does not change my position or beliefs than Bloom and JH never felt Bogey was worth what it would take to sign him at any given point on the timeline. I don't get why you think my positions is a "conspiracy theory" or other words you have called it.

[Old Red]

Yes, I have said I do not think any second offer was ever officially made.

Yes, I have said I am not aware of any asking price BorA$$ ever made.

 

That doesn't change the fact that at no point did Bloom and BorA$$ ever come to a meeting point on an acceptable offer from either side.

 

Why no offers were made from both sides, if true, is a big wonder, but I don't think I'm crazy to think and believe that Bloom never felt any offer he would counter with would have been accepted by BorA$$ and Bogey. Bloom either valued Bogey lower than what he felt BorA$$ would ever accept or never felt Bogey was worth whatever number might have been accepted had he offered it.

 

I'm not sure why this position seems so unbelievable to you.

 

Had the two sides ever been really close, Bogey would be here, now. No matter what all the swirling speculations and what ifs abound, that seems like an essential truth. Oversimplifying, yes, but a truth, nonetheless.

 

Of course Bloom, and Boris never came to an agreement. Once Bogey hit FA it was all over, and I think Bloom knew that, and knew he botched this up. So the best you can do is say Bloom didn’t do any countering, because he felt Boris wouldn’t accept it anyway? Wow!

[moonslav59]

Of course Bloom, and Boris never came to an agreement. Once Bogey hit FA it was all over, and I think Bloom knew that, and knew he botched this up. So the best you can do is say Bloom didn’t do any countering, because he felt Boris wouldn’t accept it anyway? Wow!

 

Why do you think Bloom never made a second offer, and please, "misreading the room" is not an answer. Do you think the opposite? Bloom could have made an offer that would have been accepted b ut chose not to, because why? He didn't think he was worth what he, himself would have offered? Yeah, that makes sense, LOL! Or, because he never felt Bogey was worth what BorA$$ would have accepted or a near true market value at any point?

 

Why did BorA$$ never give Bloom a number? Maybe the first Sox offer was too insulting. I'm fine with that answer. That does not automatically mean no counter offer ever being made was a big mistake, unless we know if it would be accepted and then earned by Bogey.

 

What part of this position is so "WOW!" to you? Can you try being more specific?

 

[notin]

There has never been a report that I know of that Bloom made any other offer to Bogey last offseason except for the 1 yr ext. You have repeatedly said over, and over that the Red Sox did not want to meet Boris asking price yet you can’t say what the asking price is.

 

The MLBTR article about Bogaets signing with San Diego mentioned a 6 year $162mill offer…

[Old Red]

Why do you think Bloom never made a second offer, and please, "misreading the room" is not an answer. Do you think the opposite? Bloom could have made an offer that would have been accepted b ut chose not to, because why? He didn't think he was worth what he, himself would have offered? Yeah, that makes sense, LOL! Or, because he never felt Bogey was worth what BorA$$ would have accepted or a near true market value at any point?

 

Why did BorA$$ never give Bloom a number? Maybe the first Sox offer was too insulting. I'm fine with that answer. That does not automatically mean no counter offer ever being made was a big mistake, unless we know if it would be accepted and then earned by Bogey.

 

What part of this position is so "WOW!" to you? Can you try being more specific?

 

Why did Bloom not make a second offer? I’m still scratching my head why he made the first so called offer, and for you to say Bloom didn’t make a second counter offer, because he didn’t think Boris would accept it then why did he make the first offer. Did Bloom think Boris would leap at that one? That’s the wow.

[Old Red]

The MLBTR article about Bogaets signing with San Diego mentioned a 6 year $162mill offer…

 

Last offseason was what we were talking about, so was that when it happened? If not it doesn’t matter.