2023 Free Agents

[Old Red]

José Abreu rumors: Red Sox ‘high on the list’ with Cubs, Astros, Marlins (report)

 

If you recall we came in second when Abreu signed with the Sox.

 

Our response the following year?

 

7 year, $72.5M to Rusney Castillo.

 

Name a worst contract.

 

Chris Sale is one injury away from that distinction.

The Dough Boy at 3B wasn’t to good.

[Bellhorn04]

The Dough Boy at 3B wasn’t to good.

 

Pablo, Hanley and Castillo cost about a quarter billion in total, for a net productivity of roughly zero.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn’t rather have Devers at all for $300M. I don’t think he’s a $300M player.

 

Again, you don't answer the question given.

 

How about this:

 

Devers for

 

$240/10

 

or

 

$240M/12

 

 

[moonslav59]

I don’t think any player is worth $300M, and I don’t like 10 yr+ contracts, but that’s just me. If they could get Bogey for say 8 years/$225M, or something close I’d be fine with it. To me the Red Sox should have worked harder last off season, and if a deal could not have been worked out then the Red Sox should have traded him with two years of control left. It wouldn’t have looked good to trade him, but it’s not going to look good now either, and even worse if he just walks after this year.

 

So, you'd rather pay a player 8 years from age 30-37 (may 1-2 years of prime) than a player for 10 years from age 26-35 (maybe 5-6 of prime)?

[Old Red]

So, you'd rather pay a player 8 years from age 30-37 (may 1-2 years of prime) than a player for 10 years from age 26-35 (maybe 5-6 of prime)?

 

I was talking about Raffy, so why would it be ages 30-37?

[Bellhorn04]

I was talking about Raffy, so why would it be ages 30-37?

 

You said "if they could get Bogey for 8 years".

[Old Red]

Again, you don't answer the question given.

 

How about this:

 

Devers for

 

$240/10

 

or

 

$240M/12

 

 

 

I did answer this in a previous post. 8/$225M. I don’t want any 10-12 yr contracts, which I have answered too. Agree, or disagree, but that’s my thought.

[Old Red]

You said "if they could get Bogey for 8 years".

 

I know, but I already said in a previous post that I messed up, and said Bogey instead of Raffy. I can’t believe that was missed me saying I messed up. # 416.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

I did answer this in a previous post. 8/$225M. I don’t want any 10-12 yr contracts, which I have answered too. Agree, or disagree, but that’s my thought.

 

It's the same amount of money $225/8 vs $225/10, and it's not like Devers will be toast in years 9-10.

[moonslav59]

I was talking about Raffy, so why would it be ages 30-37?

 

I thought you said you'd give Bogey 8 years. My bad.

 

My point was that Devers for 10 years gets way more prime years than Bogey for 8 (or even Bogey for 6.)

 

Sorry for messing up your position.

[Old Red]

It's the same amount of money $225/8 vs $225/10, and it's not like Devers will be toast in years 9-10.

 

With that type of body it will be hard to keep in shape especially going into his 30’s, so I’ll put a wait, and see on the toast. Riley got 10/212, so I think 8/$225M would be more than fair. Is Raffy better than Riley?

Edited November 13, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

I thought you said you'd give Bogey 8 years. My bad.

 

My point was that Devers for 10 years gets way more prime years than Bogey for 8 (or even Bogey for 6.)

 

Sorry for messing up your position.

 

I did say Bogey, but it was a mess up.

[moonslav59]

I know, but I already said in a previous post that I messed up, and said Bogey instead of Raffy. I can’t believe that was missed me saying I messed up. # 416.

 

One poster, I will keep nameless, made a mistake long ago, admitted it several times, but another (nameless) poster keeps bringing it up over and over and over and ...

 

[notin]

Devers is 26.

 

I’d much rather give 10 years to a 26yo than 4 years to a 31yo…

[Old Red]

One poster, I will keep nameless, made a mistake long ago, admitted it several times, but another (nameless) poster keeps bringing it up over and over and over and ...

 

Mine was a typing error. BIG difference.

[moonslav59]

I did say Bogey, but it was a mess up.

 

Okay. New question, if you are okay with Bogey for 6 years (ages 30-35), why not Devers for 10 years (26-35)?

 

They both end at age 35, but the Devers deal covers way more years in prime or near prime.

 

I get the risk, that if Devers declines for some reason, we are stuck with 4 more years, but to me, those prime years outweigh that slight risk of Devers sucking from age 32-35. It would also mean we lose Devers during his prime, while Bogey is nearly done with his prime years.

[moonslav59]

Mine was a typing error. BIG difference.

 

Oh. I didn't realize you never misinterpret other posters' statements and positions. Sorry.

[moonslav59]

Devers is 26.

 

I’d much rather give 10 years to a 26yo than 4 years to a 31yo…

 

Exactly. I don't like 10-12 year deals, either, but 26 year olds are different than 30 year olds.

 

It was the same with the 26 year old Mookie.

[Old Red]

Oh. I didn't realize you never misinterpret other posters' statements and positions. Sorry.

 

Are you really going to compare a typing error to an error in judgement? Really? Come on man! NOBODY ever said I have never misinterpreted other posters either, but that is really grasping at straws to compare a typing error with an error in judgement. Once again. Come on man!

[Old Red]

Okay. New question, if you are okay with Bogey for 6 years (ages 30-35), why not Devers for 10 years (26-35)?

 

They both end at age 35, but the Devers deal covers way more years in prime or near prime.

 

I get the risk, that if Devers declines for some reason, we are stuck with 4 more years, but to me, those prime years outweigh that slight risk of Devers sucking from age 32-35. It would also mean we lose Devers during his prime, while Bogey is nearly done with his prime years.

Good points, but I would for the LAST time say I’m against giving out any 10 yr contracts.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You flat out said Devers is a better hitter than Judge currently and will be in the future. Devers is not a better hitter than Judge. You can't predict that someone will miss games due to injuries. Heck Devers could get a freak injury. You just don't know

 

You got me. Judge just had a career year and his career batting average is now .284, one entire point better than Devers' career .283.

 

As for predictions, you got me again. The only thing you know for sure is that you never know. And that one player is now in his 30s, while the other is in his 20s.

 

We can try to base opinions on facts. In the past four seasons, Judge has 211 extra base hits. Devers has 264 -- the most in the majors.

Edited November 13, 2022 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75

[Hugh2]

With that type of body it will be hard to keep in shape especially going into his 30’s, so I’ll put a wait, and see on the toast. Riley got 10/212, so I think 8/$225M would be more than fair. Is Raffy better than Riley?

 

One thing to constantly take into consideration is guys who go to free agency and choose to go there are seeking and baring underperformance and injury ALWAYS expect and get more money. Guys take less money early in their careers to take the guaranteed payday while others bank on themselves. Riley's contract refects that and ended up buying out many of his team-controlled years. So it's a poor comparison. What would Riley get if he maintained his level of play and hit the free market?

[Bellhorn04]

You got me. Judge just had a career year and his career batting average is now .284, one entire point better than Devers' career .283.

 

As for predictions, you got me again. The only thing you know for sure is that you never know. And that one player is now in his 30s, while the other is in his 20s.

 

We can try to base opinions on facts. In the past four seasons, Judge has 211 extra base hits. Devers has 264 -- the most in the majors.

 

Judge does have much better rate numbers-OPS and OPS+.

 

Devers's better counting numbers the last 4 seasons can be attributed to Judge missing so many games.

 

That said, Devers's age advantage is huge, and his durability probably projects better as well.

 

I would much rather extend Devers than sign Judge. Not even close.

[Bellhorn04]

One thing to constantly take into consideration is guys who go to free agency and choose to go there are seeking and baring underperformance and injury ALWAYS expect and get more money. Guys take less money early in their careers to take the guaranteed payday while others bank on themselves. Riley's contract refects that and ended up buying out many of his team-controlled years. So it's a poor comparison. What would Riley get if he maintained his level of play and hit the free market?

 

Riley had 3 arb years left when he signed. Devers now has only one.

 

I think it's fair to use Riley's deal as a baseline and then adjust for the difference of 3 years buyout vs. 1.

[Old Red]

Riley had 3 arb years left when he signed. Devers now has only one.

 

I think it's fair to use Riley's deal as a baseline and then adjust for the difference of 3 years buyout vs. 1.

 

Exactly, and that’s why I put Raffy making more money in less years.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Judge does have much better rate numbers-OPS and OPS+.

 

Devers's better counting numbers the last 4 seasons can be attributed to Judge missing so many games.

 

That said, Devers's age advantage is huge, and his durability probably projects better as well.

 

I would much rather extend Devers than sign Judge. Not even close.

 

Of course this is my entire point about investing in Devers -- and not Judge -- going forward.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox have offered Eovaldi a multi year deal. No word on specifics

 

Why, oh why, would the Sox do that. Yes, Eovaldi had a good ERA, but his K rate dropped and more importantly, his velocity fell off a cliff after he went on the IL. I could see a 1 year deal with a generous buyout of a team option for a second, but no way do I commit to him for more than one year.

[notin]

Sox have offered Eovaldi a multi year deal. No word on specifics

 

Why, oh why, would the Sox do that. Yes, Eovaldi had a good ERA, but his K rate dropped and more importantly, his velocity fell off a cliff after he went on the IL. I could see a 1 year deal with a generous buyout of a team option for a second, but no way do I commit to him for more than one year.

 

 

He made two starts after returning from the IL. Which one scared you more?

[moonslav59]

Are you really going to compare a typing error to an error in judgement? Really? Come on man! NOBODY ever said I have never misinterpreted other posters either, but that is really grasping at straws to compare a typing error with an error in judgement. Once again. Come on man!

 

You have never once admitted to a mistAke in misinterpreting others' posts, so it's not straw grasping.

 

You have also been called out, several times on statements you have made and their meanings, and instead of admitting you misworded or stated something, you double and triple down, so once again, COME ON, MAN!.

 

The famous example was when you said I "don't like Bogey, and Bogey's defense, either," and never backed down from the obvious meaning of you saying I don't like Bogey. You tripled down on that meaning only that I don't like Bogey's defense.

 

It's no different from me perhaps wrongly interpreting you "hate Cora," when you never really said that word for word. I admitted I was wrong for saying you hated him. You never admitted you were wrong for saying I don't like Bogey. That's the BIG DIFFERENCE, you never get and never will. And, that's just one example.

[moonslav59]

Sox have offered Eovaldi a multi year deal. No word on specifics

 

Why, oh why, would the Sox do that. Yes, Eovaldi had a good ERA, but his K rate dropped and more importantly, his velocity fell off a cliff after he went on the IL. I could see a 1 year deal with a generous buyout of a team option for a second, but no way do I commit to him for more than one year.

 

MLBTR predicted a $34/2 contract on the open market. Maybe, something like that, or a $43M/3 deal might be the offer..