2023 Free Agents

[moonslav59]

Senga has filed his papers to become a FA.

 

Maybe he will be on our radar.

[notin]

Senga has filed his papers to become a FA.

 

Maybe he will be on our radar.

 

I’m sure he will be, but that doesn’t mean the Sox will make the best offer. Or relocate to the west coast where the bulk of those Japanese players sign…

[moonslav59]

I’m sure he will be, but that doesn’t mean the Sox will make the best offer. Or relocate to the west coast where the bulk of those Japanese players sign…

 

We need some east coast affirmative action.

[mvp 78]

True, and I think Tito got dragged more Than anybody. They bought the Globe, but they haven’t harnessed Shaugnessy, and he’s Henry’s biggest critic.

 

They made Tito out to be the problem, but the team imploded after he left. With how he's handled his tenure in Cleveland, I bet the Sox would have been better off retaining him long term and just dumping the players they did in 2012.

[moonslav59]

They made Tito out to be the problem, but the team imploded after he left. With how he's handled his tenure in Cleveland, I bet the Sox would have been better off retaining him long term and just dumping the players they did in 2012.

 

All true, but let's not gloss over there were real problems going on with Tito and the appearance that the team was rudderless and uncontrollable- that last month of the season.

 

It's sad how the treated him, while he was going through some very rough personal issues.

 

As to the team's continued "implosion" or continued Implosion from September 2011, where they went 7-20, much could be attributed to Bobby V's total incompetence. It didn't take John Farrell long to right the ship.

 

I do believe Tito could have "righted the ship," as well, but he was chosen to be the sacrificial lamb, along with Beckett, CC and AGon during BV's one-year tenure.

[mvp 78]

@OverTheMonster

Germán Márquez is a good pitcher trapped in pitcher hell (aka Coors Field). And he’s someone the Red Sox should target this offseason.

 

Career Splits

Away:

3.77 ERA

703 OPSa

WHIP 1.18

BABIP 286

xFIP 3.29

 

Decent FB, high spin CB...

 

After leaving Coors, Gray had a decent year with Texas aside from missing time due to injury. Marquez could be a decent cheaper option. He's under 30 too.

[mvp 78]

All true, but let's not gloss over there were real problems going on with Tito and the appearance that the team was rudderless and uncontrollable- that last month of the season.

 

It's sad how the treated him, while he was going through some very rough personal issues.

 

As to the team's continued "implosion" or continued Implosion from September 2011, where they went 7-20, much could be attributed to Bobby V's total incompetence. It didn't take John Farrell long to right the ship.

 

I do believe Tito could have "righted the ship," as well, but he was chosen to be the sacrificial lamb, along with Beckett, CC and AGon during BV's one-year tenure.

 

1. There were no issues with Tito unless you are going to believe the Weekly World News stories ownership put out to throw Tito under the bus.

2. Rudderless? They weren't rudderless. They just had no healthy starting pitchers. They were starting Andrew Miller, Erik Bedard, Tim Wakefield's corpse and Kyle Weiland.

3. The team was righted when they changed the culture and brought in Gomes, Napoli and Victorino. The team got better when the starting pitching got healthy and productive.

[notin]

@OverTheMonster

Germán Márquez is a good pitcher trapped in pitcher hell (aka Coors Field). And he’s someone the Red Sox should target this offseason.

 

Career Splits

Away:

3.77 ERA

703 OPSa

WHIP 1.18

BABIP 286

xFIP 3.29

 

Decent FB, high spin CB...

 

After leaving Coors, Gray had a decent year with Texas aside from missing time due to injury. Marquez could be a decent cheaper option. He's under 30 too.

 

 

BTV gives Marquez a surplus value of $4.3mill, making Matt Lugo ($5.6mill) a more than adequate return by that standard…

[notin]

We need some east coast affirmative action.

 

Or Japan to foster more geographically-impaired baseball stars…

[notin]

They made Tito out to be the problem, but the team imploded after he left. With how he's handled his tenure in Cleveland, I bet the Sox would have been better off retaining him long term and just dumping the players they did in 2012.

 

That’s why they hired Bobby Valentine.

 

The hired s manager they KNEW would be a problem. If the team succeeded, they can blame Tito and call themselves genius problem-solvers. If the team failed, they can say it proves the manager was the problem…

[mvp 78]

That’s why they hired Bobby Valentine.

 

The hired s manager they KNEW would be a problem. If the team succeeded, they can blame Tito and call themselves genius problem-solvers. If the team failed, they can say it proves the manager was the problem…

 

Jim Breuer called in to one of the talk shows to claim that ownership intentionally hired Valentine to blow up the team and dump some of the larger contracts. His was hired to be a chaos agent.

[mvp 78]

BTV gives Marquez a surplus value of $4.3mill, making Matt Lugo ($5.6mill) a more than adequate return by that standard…

 

Fine with me.

[notin]

Fine with me.

 

I’ll call Bloom. You call Bill Schmidt…

[notin]

Jim Breuer called in to one of the talk shows to claim that ownership intentionally hired Valentine to blow up the team and dump some of the larger contracts. His was hired to be a chaos agent.

 

If you can’t trust Goat Boy, who can you trust?

[moonslav59]

1. There were no issues with Tito unless you are going to believe the Weekly World News stories ownership put out to throw Tito under the bus.

2. Rudderless? They weren't rudderless. They just had no healthy starting pitchers. They were starting Andrew Miller, Erik Bedard, Tim Wakefield's corpse and Kyle Weiland.

3. The team was righted when they changed the culture and brought in Gomes, Napoli and Victorino. The team got better when the starting pitching got healthy and productive.

 

Tito admitted he made mistakes. In hindsight, I don't think they warranted his needing to go, but at the time, it seemed like a change was needed.

 

Just my opinion. Was my opinion partially shaped by exaggerated reports? Probably.

 

I realize our rotation had a terrible season, especially in September, and some were pitching while injured, but we still got his many Spet starts from these guys:

 

6 Lester

5 Lackey

4 Wake

4 Beckett

3 Bedard

3 Weiland

2 Miller

 

 

[Bellhorn04]

Tito may have been pretty burned out by managing the Red Sox for 8 years.

 

I think leaving probably did his health some good...

[moonslav59]

Tito may have been pretty burned out by managing the Red Sox for 8 years.

 

I think leaving probably did his health some good...

 

He was going through a tough divorce and after denying taking painkillers was an issue, at first, he later said this...

 

“I went and saw the proper people and it was not an issue,” Francona told Hoehler. “It never became an issue, and anybody who knew what was going on knows that.”

 

But in a 2013 interview with ESPN’s Jeremy Schapp, Francona appeared to backtrack somewhat on his denial.

 

“I had some, I had accumulated some pain pills and that’s not good,” he told Schapp, admitting to the ESPN reporter that he was “self-medicating.”

 

“And that’s not good and I understand that,” Francona said.

 

https://heavy.com/sports/2016/10/terry-francona-use-drugs-why-fired-red-sox-rumors-divorce-affair-hazel-mae/

[harmony]

@OverTheMonster

Germán Márquez is a good pitcher trapped in pitcher hell (aka Coors Field). And he’s someone the Red Sox should target this offseason.

 

Career Splits

Away:

3.77 ERA

703 OPSa

WHIP 1.18

BABIP 286

xFIP 3.29

 

Decent FB, high spin CB...

 

After leaving Coors, Gray had a decent year with Texas aside from missing time due to injury. Marquez could be a decent cheaper option. He's under 30 too.

The Over the Monster analysis on German Marquez:

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2022/11/1/23433397/the-red-sox-should-target-rockies-pitcher-german-marquez-in-a-trade-this-offseason

[mvp 78]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2022/11/3/23435821/should-the-red-sox-re-sign-rich-hill

 

OTM today discusses the possibility of re-signing Rich Hill this offseason. One thing that I hadn't heard is that Hill suggested he may want to come back midseason. If that's the case, I'm not sure why the Sox would plan on making room for him. Maybe bring him back during the year if things are looking well and they need the help, but if he only wants to go for half a season, they need to really just go get someone else. They tried adding up part time pitchers last season to make a whole rotation and it didn't work.

[Old Red]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2022/11/3/23435821/should-the-red-sox-re-sign-rich-hill

 

OTM today discusses the possibility of re-signing Rich Hill this offseason. One thing that I hadn't heard is that Hill suggested he may want to come back midseason. If that's the case, I'm not sure why the Sox would plan on making room for him. Maybe bring him back during the year if things are looking well and they need the help, but if he only wants to go for half a season, they need to really just go get someone else. They tried adding up part time pitchers last season to make a whole rotation and it didn't work.

 

Hill talked about coming back mid season for next year at the end of this past season, or not coming back at all, and I agree that Hill should be nothing planned on, but if the situation was to arise, and needed then then that could be looked into at that time. Just having Sale around is a injury waiting to happen.

[mvp 78]

Hill talked about coming back mid season for next year at the end of this past season, or not coming back at all, and I agree that Hill should be nothing planned on, but if the situation was to arise, and needed then then that could be looked into at that time. Just having Sale around is a injury waiting to happen.

 

Don't worry, he'll be ready to go for 2023 Opening Day!

[moonslav59]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2022/11/3/23435821/should-the-red-sox-re-sign-rich-hill

 

OTM today discusses the possibility of re-signing Rich Hill this offseason. One thing that I hadn't heard is that Hill suggested he may want to come back midseason. If that's the case, I'm not sure why the Sox would plan on making room for him. Maybe bring him back during the year if things are looking well and they need the help, but if he only wants to go for half a season, they need to really just go get someone else. They tried adding up part time pitchers last season to make a whole rotation and it didn't work.

 

It's impossible to know when someone will get hurt, but if Hill takes half the pay to pitch half a season, I'm not against the idea- just make sure we have 5-7 healthy starters for opening day.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's impossible to know when someone will get hurt, but if Hill takes half the pay to pitch half a season, I'm not against the idea- just make sure we have 5-7 healthy starters for opening day.

 

Here is my thought when I first read Hill's idea to stay home with his family and work out on his own in preparation for a '23 second-half: Good luck, Rich, nice knowing ya.

 

Red Sox fans have had enough of waiting for pitchers to join the club midseason... and hearing management insist, He'll be better than a trade deadline addition!

 

Plus, if Hill does get his way, wouldn't he want to join a contender with a last shot a ring? He's not turning 30-something soon.

[Bellhorn04]

Here is my thought when I first read Hill's idea to stay home with his family and work out on his own in preparation for a '23 second-half: Good luck, Rich, nice knowing ya.

 

Red Sox fans have had enough of waiting for pitchers to join the club midseason... and hearing management insist, He'll be better than a trade deadline addition!

 

Plus, if Hill does get his way, wouldn't he want to join a contender with a last shot a ring? He's not turning 30-something soon.

 

I think he is one guy who likes playing for the Sox though...

 

And as you know, we'll be much better next year.

[moonslav59]

Here is my thought when I first read Hill's idea to stay home with his family and work out on his own in preparation for a '23 second-half: Good luck, Rich, nice knowing ya.

 

Red Sox fans have had enough of waiting for pitchers to join the club midseason... and hearing management insist, He'll be better than a trade deadline addition!

 

Plus, if Hill does get his way, wouldn't he want to join a contender with a last shot a ring? He's not turning 30-something soon.

 

I don't disagree, but Hill should actually be ready, unlike Paxton and Sale.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I don't disagree, but Hill should actually be ready, unlike Paxton and Sale.

 

Be wary of an old guy out of the loop for very long. When he tries to come back, it may feel like someone vying for a comeback...

[mvp 78]

I don't disagree, but Hill should actually be ready, unlike Paxton and Sale.

 

I'm not keeping his seat in the rotation warm. He can pitch out of the bullpen if he wants.

[moonslav59]

Be wary of an old guy out of the loop for very long. When he tries to come back, it may feel like someone vying for a comeback...

 

I'd much rather have someone else likely to play all season, but if we sign him for $2M, I won't be upset.

[Bellhorn04]

I'd much rather have someone else likely to play all season, but if we sign him for $2M, I won't be upset.

 

Go as high as $3M?

[mvp 78]

Go as high as $3M?

 

$2.5?