7/23 Jays @ Fenway, game time 4:10

[Maxbialystock]

Manoah (righty, ERA 2.28) vs. Crawford (righty, ERA 4.50)

 

Duran CF

Vazquez C

Verdugo LF

Bogey SS

Cordero DH

Dalbec 1B

JBJ RF

Sanchez 2B

Downs 3B

 

Five lefty bats (Duran, Dugo, Cordero, JBJ, Sanchez) vs. righty Manoah--but no Devers

 

Against righty Crawford, the Jays are going with one lefty bat.

[Maxbialystock]

Given how badly the Sox have been in their last 3 games, one has to wonder how many diehard Sox fans will make it to Fenway today. Last night it was 36,796.

 

The Sox had 3 players in Tuesday's ASG, and just one is playing today.

[Maxbialystock]

FWIW--

 

Duran's OPS for July is .522

Bogey's is .694

Dugo's is .532

Cordero's is .427

Dalbec's is .673

Vazquez's is .733

Downs's is .582

JBJ's is .562

[JDavis76]

When was the last time the sox let up double digits in 4 straight games?

[vegasbob]

Only thing to look for today is how this team responds to a complete beatdown. Do they play a tight , disciplined game with good ABs, baserunning and sound defense ? Or do they display the deer in the headlights look that Duran featured last night. He actually admitted in interview that he should have made the motion of chasing towards the ball once he saw it but Dugo was going to beat him anyway. He said next time , he would take 1 or 2 steps for the optics benefit. If this is the motivational level and attitude of the AAAA'ers on the Sox, the problems are truly deep in the clubhouse, including the manager's office.

[JDavis76]

Only thing to look for today is how this team responds to a complete beatdown. Do they play a tight , disciplined game with good ABs, baserunning and sound defense ? Or do they display the deer in the headlights look that Duran featured last night. He actually admitted in interview that he should have made the motion of chasing towards the ball once he saw it but Dugo was going to beat him anyway. He said next time , he would take 1 or 2 steps for the optics benefit. If this is the motivational level and attitude of the AAAA'ers on the Sox, the problems are truly deep in the clubhouse, including the manager's office.

Umm, they've been beatdown 3 straight games.....

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Here's a cliche to brighten the day. "It's always darkest before the dawn." I don't believe it can get any darker than last night's game.

[moonslav59]

Only thing to look for today is how this team responds to a complete beatdown. Do they play a tight , disciplined game with good ABs, baserunning and sound defense ? Or do they display the deer in the headlights look that Duran featured last night. He actually admitted in interview that he should have made the motion of chasing towards the ball once he saw it but Dugo was going to beat him anyway. He said next time , he would take 1 or 2 steps for the optics benefit. If this is the motivational level and attitude of the AAAA'ers on the Sox, the problems are truly deep in the clubhouse, including the manager's office.

 

That and the failure to get vaxxed for the Toronto series has convinced me to deal him, asap.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

That and the failure to get vaxxed for the Toronto series has convinced me to deal him, asap.

 

The only thing Duran can do well is run fast and the SOX farm system had nothing to do with that.

Maybe earlier in the season Duran was told that getting vaxed would affect his only skill, running fast.

Edited July 23, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[Bellhorn04]

Only thing to look for today is how this team responds to a complete beatdown. Do they play a tight , disciplined game with good ABs, baserunning and sound defense ? Or do they display the deer in the headlights look that Duran featured last night. He actually admitted in interview that he should have made the motion of chasing towards the ball once he saw it but Dugo was going to beat him anyway. He said next time , he would take 1 or 2 steps for the optics benefit. If this is the motivational level and attitude of the AAAA'ers on the Sox, the problems are truly deep in the clubhouse, including the manager's office.

 

That and the failure to get vaxxed for the Toronto series has convinced me to deal him, asap.

 

I read what he said, I didn't see anything about "optics benefit". He said he could see Verdugo was going to beat him to the ball. He did say he would take one or two steps next time, but I don't think he meant he would do it just for show. Let's try to be a little fair here.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

That and the failure to get vaxxed for the Toronto series has convinced me to deal him, asap.

 

Which of the two 'geniuses' finally did get vaxed? Houck or Duran? I don't remember.

[Old Red]

BREAKING NEWS! Raffy is on the IL with a hamstring problem.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

BREAKING NEWS! Raffy is on the IL with a hamstring problem.

 

Thank goodness the SOX have Downs to replace him.

[illinoisredsox]

I read what he said, I didn't see anything about "optics benefit". He said he could see Verdugo was going to beat him to the ball. He did say he would take one or two steps next time, but I don't think he meant he would do it just for show. Let's try to be a little fair here.

 

“It’s the most helpless feeling you could ever feel,” Duran said. “Until you guys catch a fly ball in twilight, let me know.”

 

He was fine with the first part. That last part tells me he won't make it in Boston. The one thing you can't do is piss off the media against you. And fact, Mr. Duran, a lot of us have caught fly balls at twilight in far worse conditions than you will ever see at a major league park. No, the balls we caught didn't go as high or as far, but none of us have your athletic ability.

 

Players lose balls in those conditions; rational fans can accept that. What they can't accept is the lack of effort afterwards.

Edited July 23, 2022 by illinoisredsox

[illinoisredsox]

BREAKING NEWS! Raffy is on the IL with a hamstring problem.

 

Perfect capper to what might be the most depressing week of Red Sox baseball I've been a part of, and I go back to 1966 as a fan.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

So Duran is rewarded for his lack of hustle last night by starting today and Ref is rewarded for his HR last night by being benched today. Way to manage, Cora.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

And to add to the frustration of faux genius Cora's managing is that not only is Ref a better hitter than Duran, he's better defensively.

[Bellhorn04]

Perfect capper to what might be the most depressing week of Red Sox baseball I've been a part of, and I go back to 1966 as a fan.

 

No way this is more depressing than the most depressing week in 1978.

[Bellhorn04]

He was fine with the first part. That last part tells me he won't make it in Boston. The one thing you can't do is piss off the media against you.

 

Have to disagree with the principle. Nobody had more media pissed off against him than Ted Williams, and I think there have been a few other Red Sox stars the media didn't like.

 

Not that Duran is anywhere near a star at this point.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Have to disagree with the principle. Nobody had more media pissed off against him than Ted Williams, and I think there have been a few other Red Sox stars the media didn't like.

 

Not that Duran is anywhere near a star at this point.

 

Yup, I'm sure once Duran begins hitting like Ted Williams all will be forgiven.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Seriously, hitting a baseball, as we all know, is one of the most difficult things in sports. So I give Duran a pass on that for now. But there is no excuse at this point that his defense should be so shoddy.

[illinoisredsox]

No way this is more depressing than the most depressing week in 1978.

 

I was a junior in college at that point, so other than the playoff game, I only saw what went down via box scores in the paper; the South Bend Tribune was not noted for their coverage of Red Sox baseball and WTIC, which I grew up listening to in southern Connecticut, didn't broadcast out that far west.

 

Still, I guess the bookend Sale and Devers injuries are what I'm thinking of.

[jad]

No way this is more depressing than the most depressing week in 1978.

 

OMG! THE POP-UP heard round RS Nation!

[Bellhorn04]

I was a junior in college at that point, so other than the playoff game, I only saw what went down via box scores in the paper; the South Bend Tribune was not noted for their coverage of Red Sox baseball and WTIC, which I grew up listening to in southern Connecticut, didn't broadcast out that far west.

 

Still, I guess the bookend Sale and Devers injuries are what I'm thinking of.

 

This has one been one brutal stretch all right. It's almost like the baseball Gods are sending signals to the Sox FO that a fire sale is the way to go.

[Bellhorn04]

OMG! THE POP-UP heard round RS Nation!

 

I was actually thinking of a week that included the Boston Massacre.

[Maxbialystock]

I was a junior in college at that point, so other than the playoff game, I only saw what went down via box scores in the paper; the South Bend Tribune was not noted for their coverage of Red Sox baseball and WTIC, which I grew up listening to in southern Connecticut, didn't broadcast out that far west.

 

Still, I guess the bookend Sale and Devers injuries are what I'm thinking of.

 

I was in Schweinfurt, Germany in 1978 and kind of lost track of the Sox vicissitudes. But I did get to visit Grafenwohr--several times.

[vegasbob]

Giving Kutter Crawford some credit for being effective in the first, not showing any reluctance to go after the Jays

[Tedballgame]

This could be one of the worst lineups the Red Sox have ever put on the field.

[Tedballgame]

I won't be sorry to see Duran traded.

[vegasbob]

This could be one of the worst lineups the Red Sox have ever put on the field.

 

If .700 OPS is about the league average , we have two guys exceeding that today, Bogaerts and Vazquez