Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[dgalehouse]

It will be interesting to see how the expanded playoffs effect the trade deadline. Only the really bad teams are hopelessly out of contention for at least a shot at a wild card. There might not be too many sellers.

[Maxbialystock]

It doesn't take much for people to turn on players or to figuratively enshrine them into the HOF.

 

It's really a shame because there was a lot of optimism surrounding Sale's stuff when he returned recently. This injury cannot be blamed on Sale being frail.

 

Sale is in fact frail.

 

This is his 5th season with the Sox and these are his innings pitched:

 

214 in 2017

158 in 2018 (but with an ERA of 2.11)

147 in 2019 (ERA 4.40)

0 in 2020

42 in 2021

5.2 in 2022

 

He's 6'6" and weighs 183 lbs and hasn't been able to pitch a full season since 2017.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

Olney says, "a guy that other teams say is available is JD Martinez."

[Swiharts Ghost]

It will be interesting to see how the expanded playoffs effect the trade deadline. Only the really bad teams are hopelessly out of contention for at least a shot at a wild card. There might not be too many sellers.

 

Agree ! But teams like The Reds or Oakland As ,cubbies ,Nats ,Pirates ,Rockies all have valuable players .Im kinda pumped up to see what goes down ! Ian Happ ? Josh Bell ? Brandon Drury ? Sean Murphy ? I’d make a trade immediately though and not dumpster dive .

Edited July 26, 2022 by Swiharts Ghost

[notin]

I mentioned Division titles AND the WS. Maybe you just aren't that good at reading?

 

Go re-read your post.

 

You list the AL East teams and after them say “That leaves only a few AL buyers….” And go on to list the Central teams, and then say Bloom will have to focus on the NL.

 

I don’t think anyone misread your post. You do specifically say Bllom will have to focus on the NL. That does mean you don’t think he should focus on the AL East teams…

[JDavis76]

It will be interesting to see how the expanded playoffs effect the trade deadline. Only the really bad teams are hopelessly out of contention for at least a shot at a wild card. There might not be too many sellers.

 

I'm not a big fan of the expanded playoffs. They keep going at this rate and it will be as bad as the NBA & the NHL where all but the very worst teams make the playoffs.

[notin]

Sale is in fact frail.

 

This is his 5th season with the Sox and these are his innings pitched:

 

214 in 2017

158 in 2018 (but with an ERA of 2.11)

147 in 2019 (ERA 4.40)

0 in 2020

42 in 2021

5.2 in 2022

 

He's 6'6" and weighs 183 lbs and hasn't been able to pitch a full season since 2017.

 

An optimist would say that means he’s well-rested…

[JDavis76]

An optimist would say that means he’s well-rested…

 

And a realist calls it what it is.....

[dgalehouse]

Agree ! But teams like The Reds or Oakland As ,cubbies ,Nats ,Pirates ,Rockies all have valuable players .Im kinda pumped up to see what goes down ! Ian Happ ? Josh Bell ? Brandon Drury ? Sean Murphy ? I’d make a trade immediately though and not dumpster dive .

 

I think Josh Bell would be a great addition, both for now and the next few years. But there will be competition for him. Sox will have to make the best offer. I'm not sure they want to do that.

[mvp 78]

I think Josh Bell would be a great addition, both for now and the next few years. But there will be competition for him. Sox will have to make the best offer. I'm not sure they want to do that.

 

The problem with Bell is that he's horrible at 1b and his contract is up after this season. He's also going to command too high of a price tag.

[dgalehouse]

I'm not a big fan of the expanded playoffs. They keep going at this rate and it will be as bad as the NBA & the NHL where all but the very worst teams make the playoffs.

 

I don't like them either. They further diminish the regular season and the pennant race. But they are the reality and teams will probably consider them when making a deadline move.

[Swiharts Ghost]

The problem with Bell is that he's horrible at 1b and his contract is up after this season. He's also going to command too high of a price tag.[/QUOT

 

Going to say a name and duck ......Miguel Sano at DH going forward .Minnesota is about to dump him .

[dgalehouse]

The problem with Bell is that he's horrible at 1b and his contract is up after this season. He's also going to command too high of a price tag.

 

He is a better first baseman than what we have now. Assuming J.D. leaves , the Sox could afford to sign Bell.

[notin]

I think Josh Bell would be a great addition, both for now and the next few years. But there will be competition for him. Sox will have to make the best offer. I'm not sure they want to do that.

 

Bell in only signed through November. After that he can be had like any other free agent.

 

Christian Walker makes more long term sense…

[notin]

The problem with Bell is that he's horrible at 1b and his contract is up after this season. He's also going to command too high of a price tag.[/QUOT

 

Going to say a name and duck ......Miguel Sano at DH going forward .Minnesota is about to dump him .

 

So a team leading their division is dumping a guy and somehow he’s the solution?

[mvp 78]

He is a better first baseman than what we have now. Assuming J.D. leaves , the Sox could afford to sign Bell.

 

An offseason signing? Ok.

 

An inseason trade package? Pass.

[mvp 78]

Is Sano better than Dalbec? Both are big bats with lots of swing and miss. Sano is older and more expensive. Neither is great in the field. IDK about trading for Sano. You could probably deal for him and to eat his salary and get some good prospects with it. I wouldn't pick up the club option for 2023 though.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/miguel-sano-593934?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

[notin]

An offseason signing? Ok.

 

An inseason trade package? Pass.

 

I’d rather not sign him and focus on Devers/Bogaerts…

[Maxbialystock]

An optimist would say that means he’s well-rested…

 

Not only well-rested. Despite my recitation of those "short" seasons, I believe Sale is one of the most determined Sox pitchers ever. I think that skinny physique betrays him.

[JDavis76]

Not only well-rested. Despite my recitation of those "short" seasons, I believe Sale is one of the most determined Sox pitchers ever. I think that skinny physique betrays him.

 

Determination isn't going to make him healthy.....

[Kimmi]

David Price's deal was worth it. With him in the fold, they won 3 straight AL East titles and a WS. They are now eating some money on the back end, but I think it was worth it. Would have still rather signed Lester though. His deal was less egregious than Sale's actually.

 

I was not a fan of Price's contract when he was signed, but when he was with the Sox, he was not nearly as bad as some people make him out to be. He just wasn't the 'ace' that we were hoping for. Of course, the dead money is never a good thing.

[Kimmi]

Sale is in fact frail.

 

This is his 5th season with the Sox and these are his innings pitched:

 

214 in 2017

158 in 2018 (but with an ERA of 2.11)

147 in 2019 (ERA 4.40)

0 in 2020

42 in 2021

5.2 in 2022

 

He's 6'6" and weighs 183 lbs and hasn't been able to pitch a full season since 2017.

 

I don't disagree with you Max. I was just pointing out that his current injury cannot be blamed on 'frailty'. Had he not been hit in the hand, it's possible that he could have sustained another injury. I feel bad for him after working so hard to get back on the field.

[Kimmi]

@redsoxstats

Olney says, "a guy that other teams say is available is JD Martinez."

 

I am still not advocating for this team to be sellers, but if the Sox are planning to trade guys like JD and Eovaldi, then they might as well trade Bogaerts too. Make your best final offer to Bogaerts, and if he declines, trade him.

[Kimmi]

I'm not a big fan of the expanded playoffs. They keep going at this rate and it will be as bad as the NBA & the NHL where all but the very worst teams make the playoffs.

 

They really shouldn't expand the playoffs any more than it is, but I do think the expanded playoffs keeps the season a lot more interesting. It also makes the trade deadline a lot more interesting as many teams are hovering over the buyers/sellers line. That said, I'll be glad when the deadline has passed.

[Kimmi]

Is Sano better than Dalbec? Both are big bats with lots of swing and miss. Sano is older and more expensive. Neither is great in the field. IDK about trading for Sano. You could probably deal for him and to eat his salary and get some good prospects with it. I wouldn't pick up the club option for 2023 though.

 

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/miguel-sano-593934?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb

 

Does this make the Sox sellers or buyers? If the Sox are selling, they are going to want to lose salary and get under the luxury tax.

[notin]

I am still not advocating for this team to be sellers, but if the Sox are planning to trade guys like JD and Eovaldi, then they might as well trade Bogaerts too. Make your best final offer to Bogaerts, and if he declines, trade him.

 

 

No. Keep Bogaerts. Re-open negotiations. He might go for a 5 year $125 mill deal, which is really just a 2 year extension (albeit a pricey one at $65mill).

 

Deal Eovaldi, JD and Hill and/or Wacha. And any reliever not named Houck or Whitlock should be available. Schreiber should be expensive so if someone wants to pay up for him, it’s worth considering. The rest, especially Barnes and Diekman, just take whatever…

[Kimmi]

No. Keep Bogaerts. Re-open negotiations. He might go for a 5 year $125 mill deal, which is really just a 2 year extension (albeit a pricey one at $65mill).

 

Deal Eovaldi, JD and Hill and/or Wacha. And any reliever not named Houck or Whitlock should be available. Schreiber should be expensive so if someone wants to pay up for him, it’s worth considering. The rest, especially Barnes and Diekman, just take whatever…

 

Yes, I did mention that the Sox should make a best final offer to Bogaerts. If they get the sense that they're not going to be able to keep him, then they should trade him if they're going to trade all of those other guys.

[mvp 78]

I’d rather not sign him and focus on Devers/Bogaerts…

 

I'm all in on just signing Bogey/Devers and calling it a day.

[mvp 78]

I am still not advocating for this team to be sellers, but if the Sox are planning to trade guys like JD and Eovaldi, then they might as well trade Bogaerts too. Make your best final offer to Bogaerts, and if he declines, trade him.

 

And re-sign him if you want to bring him back.

[mvp 78]

Does this make the Sox sellers or buyers? If the Sox are selling, they are going to want to lose salary and get under the luxury tax.

 

I don't want Sano. That argument seemed to be both buying and selling? IDK.