A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[Bellhorn04]

Why are we always looking for the next Bobby D or Michael Chavis?

 

??? You mean Casas?

[mvp 78]

Why are we always looking for the next Bobby D or Michael Chavis?

 

Who is?

[mvp 78]

??? You mean Casas?

 

It's not the same profile. Casas is a big boy with lots of power. The knack on him coming up was that he wasn't showing enough power and that he was too patient. That was definitely not Dalbec's issue. Dalbec was never a top 50 prospect. Chavis was never a top 50 prospect. Casas is legit.

[Nick]

Needless to say this team badly needs an injection of young talent. Casas and Bello are giving some hopeful signs.

 

Well said....we're looking for high ceiling kids, not a utility player.

[Nick]

If we sign a guy like Nimmo, I think we turn down Pham's $6M option and pay him $1.5M, assumi ng he turns down the mutual option, too. The difference is $4.5M, and he would not be a bad 5th OF'er as I figure ref might be the #4. One other option is to use Pham or Ref as a DH or platoon DH, but I agree, we don't need ref and Pham.

 

If we don't add an OF'er, I'd keep Pham:

 

LF: Dugo & Pham

CF: Kike

RF: Dugo & Ref

 

Pham and or Ref as DH definitely does not make me excited. Not the path to "we're going to be way better".

[notin]

16 BBs in just 74 PAs is a nice start. While 17Ks is not ideal, it's not that bad either.

 

It's strange that he has no doubles, yet- just 5 HRs for 5 XBHs.

 

If he can stay near .365 for an OBP and hit 5 Hrs every 75 PAs, he'll be a huge plus, no matter what his BA of K% is.

 

17Ks is fine if you also have 16 BBs

[Bellhorn04]

17Ks is fine if you also have 16 BBs

 

Yeah, I was gonna say, that's a sweet ratio.

[moonslav59]

Pham and or Ref as DH definitely does not make me excited. Not the path to "we're going to be way better".

 

They don't excite me either, but if we end up improving at enough other positions, we may still be fine, and if healthy, this OF alignment should be better than this year's.

[moonslav59]

17Ks is fine if you also have 16 BBs

 

I'd be fine with 34 K's if the OBP and HRs are high enough.

[mvp 78]

Pham and or Ref as DH definitely does not make me excited. Not the path to "we're going to be way better".

 

I wouldn't even pencil in Refsnyder as making the opening day roster. He's been a lifelong backup for a reason. He's been a brightspot for a miserable team. Don't expect it to carry over guys.

[Bellhorn04]

I wouldn't even pencil in Refsnyder as making the opening day roster. He's been a lifelong backup for a reason. He's been a brightspot for a miserable team. Don't expect it to carry over guys.

 

Maybe don't expect, but don't dismiss either.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn't even pencil in Refsnyder as making the opening day roster. He's been a lifelong backup for a reason. He's been a brightspot for a miserable team. Don't expect it to carry over guys.

 

Not expecting it to carry over and not giving him a chance next year are not the only 2 choices.

 

Not counting on him to start is a good plan. Counting on him to make platoon in RF or LF or DH would be a reasonable plan, as long as you plan for the chance he returns back into a pumpkin.

 

He would have to really suck in ST'ing, or get hurt, to not make the opening day roster. Whether he stays there long, is more debatable.

 

Others have said similar things about Schreiber, and with the volatility of fringe RP'ers being so high, I could certainly see him not staying on the 26 all 2023, but for now, he's got a slot and has to work his way off it. He'll make the opening day 26, too.

[mvp 78]

Maybe don't expect, but don't dismiss either.

 

Being "dismissive" isn't the same as "not penciling in" or "not expecting it." He'll have to earn the playing time next Spring. Maybe he gets a bench spot and produces in April and gets more at bats over time.

[mvp 78]

Not expecting it to carry over and not giving him a chance next year are not the only 2 choices.

 

I never said it was. Some people like to infer things on here though.

[Bellhorn04]

Being "dismissive" isn't the same as "not penciling in" or "not expecting it." He'll have to earn the playing time next Spring. Maybe he gets a bench spot and produces in April and gets more at bats over time.

 

Agreed.

[moonslav59]

I never said it was. Some people like to infer things on here though.

 

You inferred I said you did say those were the only two choices. I did not.

 

Your point was you thought he does not have a lock on an opening day 26 slot, and he may not. His sucess may very well not "carry over," but I think he will be given a chance to prove he does not belong byond ST'ing.

 

Being better than Pham and a RH'd bat works in his favor. If we add a RF'er, like I think we will, he still has the inside track at the 4th OF'er slot over Pham (at $6M) and Cordero.

 

I'm not sure how bad he'd have to be in ST'ing to lose a shot at the opening day roster.

[moonslav59]

Being "dismissive" isn't the same as "not penciling in" or "not expecting it." He'll have to earn the playing time next Spring. Maybe he gets a bench spot and produces in April and gets more at bats over time.

 

IMO, Pham, who may not even be offered the $6M option, and Cordero have to earn the right to supplant Ref as the current 3rd or 4th OF'er- likely 4th after we add a RF'er.

 

He's not "pencilled in," as in locked into a slot, but the 4th OF'er slot is his to lose, IMO.

[mvp 78]

IMO, Pham, who may not even be offered the $6M option, and Cordero have to earn the right to supplant Ref as the current 3rd or 4th OF'er- likely 4th after we add a RF'er.

 

He's not "pencilled in," as in locked into a slot, but the 4th OF'er slot is his to lose, IMO.

 

I'm not sure I want Pham on this team in 2023. He's a LF only guy. I think I'd rather the Sox find a RF glove and move Verdugo back to LF.

[moonslav59]

I'm not sure I want Pham on this team in 2023. He's a LF only guy. I think I'd rather the Sox find a RF glove and move Verdugo back to LF.

 

I'm all for...

 

LF Verdugo

CF Kike

RF Nimmo

4th Refsnyder

[mvp 78]

I'm all for...

 

LF Verdugo

CF Kike

RF Nimmo

4th Refsnyder

 

I'd rather them have someone else in mind for the 4th OF slot that Refsnyder can beat out.

[moonslav59]

I'd rather them have someone else in mind for the 4th OF slot that Refsnyder can beat out.

 

I'm not against that idea, but we all know we have much higher priorities than 4th OF'er and will likely not have enough budget space to try and upgrade there. (Maybe, mid-season, if needed.)

[mvp 78]

I'm not against that idea, but we all know we have much higher priorities than 4th OF'er and will likely not have enough budget space to try and upgrade there. (Maybe, mid-season, if needed.)

 

Aren't they going to be over the luxury tax threshold anyway?

[moonslav59]

Aren't they going to be over the luxury tax threshold anyway?

 

I'm not so sure, and even when they do go over, it often not by much.

[mvp 78]

I'm not so sure, and even when they do go over, it often not by much.

 

If it's "just" a one year contract, does it matter?

[moonslav59]

If it's "just" a one year contract, does it matter?

 

Not as much, and certainly if the idea is not to re-set in 2023 but in 2024 for sure.

 

To me, 2023 makes more sense for a re-set, but the fans are getting very restless.

[oldtimer]

I'm all for...

 

LF Verdugo

CF Kike

RF Nimmo

4th Refsnyder

 

How soon do we think Ceddanne will make the 26 man? He may well be an exciting player and a low cost one at that. I get the impression from the reports, he is knocking on the door of making the team sometime during 2023. It looks like he could be a CF or RF candidate. If so, we should be careful about giving long term contracts to other outfielders. I think Kike's is a one year for $10 mil. Based on his offensive performance this year I wonder if that was a wise move.

[moonslav59]

How soon do we think Ceddanne will make the 26 man? He may well be an exciting player and a low cost one at that. I get the impression from the reports, he is knocking on the door of making the team sometime during 2023. It looks like he could be a CF or RF candidate. If so, we should be careful about giving long term contracts to other outfielders. I think Kike's is a one year for $10 mil. Based on his offensive performance this year I wonder if that was a wise move.[/b]

 

I think his defense is already ML ready, at more than one position.

 

His offense took a big step forward, but my guess is he'll be up in 2024.

[notin]

How soon do we think Ceddanne will make the 26 man? He may well be an exciting player and a low cost one at that. I get the impression from the reports, he is knocking on the door of making the team sometime during 2023. It looks like he could be a CF or RF candidate. If so, we should be careful about giving long term contracts to other outfielders. I think Kike's is a one year for $10 mil. Based on his offensive performance this year I wonder if that was a wise move.

 

 

Kike’s one year contract is the perfect stop for Rafaela…

[moonslav59]

Kike’s one year contract is the perfect stop for Rafaela…

 

We may even sign a RF'er for 1 year.

[notin]

We may even sign a RF'er for 1 year.

 

Nimmo!!!

 

And not Gallo!!