A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[jad]

The Harley will though, if it's well maintained, right?

 

I don't know about the new ones, but mine, alas, taught me far more about mechanics than I ever needed or wished to know.`I suspect it had a shorter life than most MLB careers (but it did go fast [in every sense I guess]!)

[JDavis76]

What's more realistic in the next two months:

 

1. Bloom will ship prospects for a closer...

 

2. Bloom will receive actual prospects for JD, Eovaldi and Wacha -- who may never have more peak value, this high, again...

 

3. Bloom will get what he can for Kike, Vazquez, Hill, and anyone else on a one-year contract...

 

4. Bloom will land a really good prospect for Xander Bogaerts...

 

If hang 'em chaim is shipping out bogey, jd, eo, wach, kike, vaz and hill, why would he trade for a closer?

[JDavis76]

Maybe? We have no idea.

 

If they fail to re-sign Devers, I think fans will be rightfully pissed off no matter who they bring back as a replacement.

 

Would the fans be more angry than when betts was shipped out? Is devers more popular than betts was before he was sent packing?

[Bellhorn04]

Would the fans be more angry than when betts was shipped out? Is devers more popular than betts was before he was sent packing?

 

No, but it's the accumulated effect of losing multiple popular homegrown stars.

[JDavis76]

No, but it's the accumulated effect of losing multiple popular homegrown stars.

 

That would make some sense.

 

But I do think that betts was far more popular, no?

[oldtimer]

Would the fans be more angry than when betts was shipped out? Is devers more popular than betts was before he was sent packing?

 

I wouldn't characterize Betts departure as being sent packing. He was offered a very attractive contract which he didn't accept. The Dodgers offered more and for what I think was a high risk contract length. Only time will tell if the Dodgers will get fair value for the money spent.

[JDavis76]

I wouldn't characterize Betts departure as being sent packing. He was offered a very attractive contract which he didn't accept. The Dodgers offered more and for what I think was a high risk contract length. Only time will tell if the Dodgers will get fair value for the money spent.

 

Did they trade him? Yes, they did, that is referred to as "sent packing".

[moonslav59]

Did they trade him? Yes, they did, that is referred to as "sent packing".

 

He had his bags packed and ticket bought.

[Swiharts Ghost]

He had his bags packed and ticket bought.

 

Verdugo is a huge disappointment.Bring up Duran and Fitzgerald and Trade Franchy at his high water mark .I would would absolutely entertain a trade of Casas and Verdugo plus for a certain nameless OF in Washington.

[notin]

Verdugo is a huge disappointment.Bring up Duran and Fitzgerald and Trade Franchy at his high water mark .I would would absolutely entertain a trade of Casas and Verdugo plus for a certain nameless OF in Washington.

 

I would assume you mean Victor Robles, because that package gets you nowhere near Juan Soto. I’m always amazed by the mentality of some people “This player is horrible!! He sucks!! Most disappointing ever!! Let’s trade him for a superstar!!”

 

I know, I know. This is just part of a package. Well, according to BTV, the rest of that package better be Whitlock and Mayer. And even then it might be light…

[JDavis76]

Verdugo is a huge disappointment.Bring up Duran and Fitzgerald and Trade Franchy at his high water mark .I would would absolutely entertain a trade of Casas and Verdugo plus for a certain nameless OF in Washington.

 

Why not see if they'll throw in harper and tanner rainey too. SMH.........

[mvp 78]

I would assume you mean Victor Robles, because that package gets you nowhere near Juan Soto. I’m always amazed by the mentality of some people “This player is horrible!! He sucks!! Most disappointing ever!! Let’s trade him for a superstar!!”

 

I know, I know. This is just part of a package. Well, according to BTV, the rest of that package better be Whitlock and Mayer. And even then it might be light…

 

I needed a good spectral laugh this morning.

[jacksonianmarch]

There is no way on God's green earth that Bloom would deal anyone for Soto. Soto has one more year of control before becoming the highest paid player in baseball. It is the same as the Devers situation.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

There is no way on God's green earth that Bloom would deal anyone for Soto. Soto has one more year of control before becoming the highest paid player in baseball. It is the same as the Devers situation.

 

Any big market ballclub would love to have the best young hitter in baseball leading its core of sustained contenders. Why pick on our CBO, just because his name rhymes with Prime Doom?

[jacksonianmarch]

Any big market ballclub would love to have the best young hitter in baseball leading its core of sustained contenders. Why pick on our CBO, just because his name rhymes with Prime Doom?

 

Because it is not his MO. He is not a Dombrowski clone who wants to accumulate all the best talent in the world regardless of cost. He wants a deep roster with a deep farm that can handle losses due to injury or ineffectiveness.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Because it is not his MO. He is not a Dombrowski clone who wants to accumulate all the best talent in the world regardless of cost. He wants a deep roster with a deep farm that can handle losses due to injury or ineffectiveness.

 

Then rename your Tear Down thread to Build Up (but don't assume it will be better, if forces in power with other agendas in the org refuse total approval).

[mvp 78]

@SoxProspects

An RBI double (12) for Jarren Duran increases Worcester's lead to 3-1 in the bottom of the fifth.

 

You'd think a guy like that would strike out looking.

[moonslav59]

Because it is not his MO. He is not a Dombrowski clone who wants to accumulate all the best talent in the world regardless of cost. He wants a deep roster with a deep farm that can handle losses due to injury or ineffectiveness.

 

Just because he was with the Rays for all those years, doesn't mean he doesn't like Shiny objects.

 

He did sign Story. When did the Rays ever do that?

[JDavis76]

Just because he was with the Rays for all those years, doesn't mean he doesn't like Shiny objects.

 

He did sign Story. When did the Rays ever do that?

 

I agree with you on that. People on here all the time talk about hang 'em chaim's "MO" or "track record".

 

He doesn't really have much of one to judge by as he was never the man in charge before

[moonslav59]

I agree with you on that. People on here all the time talk about hang 'em chaim's "MO" or "track record".

 

He doesn't really have much of one to judge by as he was never the man in charge before

 

...and even if you think he has a big say in what the Rays, did, they had severe financial limits, so judging by the "Ray's Way," is futile.

 

Now, do I think we hired him to try and find some low cost gems? Yes, but that does not mean that's all we hired him for.

[MADSTORK]

Well I hope this explains it. He was clearly determined to throw mostly all fastballs' date=' he shook off the sign several times before throwing a fastball.[/quote']

 

LOL

 

If you pink hats believe this guy, I have some swamp land in Beverly Hills to sell you....

 

You know what the reason was for the subpar outing, it's simple, HE SUX!

[MADSTORK]

The best players are very expensive to sign and to keep. And it gets more expensive all the time. And there is a pretty good chance that , sooner or later , the player will not be worth it. But this is the big freakin' leagues. If you want to play big time baseball , you should be willing to pay . Planning to replace expensive talent like Betts and Devers by building the farm is a longshot at best.

 

Spoken like Scholar!

 

Funny that the Henry Group threw millions of dollars around for players who were not homegrown ( sandoval renteria to name a few) but yet, they will not spend on homegrown talent (see Lester) or have the patience to wait on drafted players such as Chavis and AB

 

I understand you don't extend a 28 year old player to a 10 year deal, "I get it", its bad business. Far as XB goes there is no reason not to start at 4 -120 ? The player is in his Prime and still should be at age 34, if the Player wants more than that, let him walk!

 

This is why Henry should have put the emphasis on revamping the MINOR LEAGUE DEVELOPMENTAL SYSTEM before he made any GM hire the last go around. As an Organization going forward with the absurd contracts YOU MUST identify the Prospects in your system you deem to have Elite talent. Buy out the ARB years and get these Players signed in thier Prime before the big-shot Agents make it unwilling to do so.

 

The biggest problem Henry has right now is Bloom! The Minor League Developmental System is a Train wreck being run by BCrockett. They have not developed any Pitchers to speak of and the hitters they do develop continue to circle the bowl in the case of Casas and Duran without a call-up due partly to Bloom signing every swinging d!ck off the waiver wire.

Bloom's First order of Business should have been the above. New Minor League Leadership New Minor League Scouts New Minor League voices! This is Exactly what Epstein did in 2003!

Now you have Bloom making Questionable trades and signings in part because of the System he did not re-organize.

 

Bloom has failed in all aspects but in retrospect its Henry who just might be the Failure here? Now the talk of trading elite players for what, another low A prospect, another 24 year old Hitter or Pitcher assigned to High A ? If they signed Jansen to the 20 they handed out to a Coors field hitter your at the moment a Playoff Team!

 

Thanks John for the mess you made yet again!

[mvp 78]

LOL

 

If you pink hats believe this guy, I have some swamp land in Beverly Hills to sell you....

 

You know what the reason was for the subpar outing, it's simple, HE SUX!

 

For all you brown diaper Sox fans out there, he went 6 innings and gave up only 1 run. That seems like a good start to me. Calling that "sub par" is embarrassing.

[mvp 78]

Bloom has failed in all aspects but in retrospect its Henry who just might be the Failure here? Now the talk of trading elite players for what, another low A prospect, another 24 year old Hitter or Pitcher assigned to High A ? If they signed Jansen to the 20 they handed out to a Coors field hitter your at the moment a Playoff Team!

 

Thanks John for the mess you made yet again!

 

He took over a farm system that was in the bottom 5 of the league. Starting 2022, they are now ranked in the top half. Is it perfect? No, but it takes time to build up a farm system. I understand complaints about management about the plan for this year's MLB team, but I think the plan for the farm system has been fine. Again, I think brown diaper fans are just looking for something to complain about sometimes.

[Bellhorn04]

For all you brown diaper Sox fans out there, he went 6 innings and gave up only 1 run. That seems like a good start to me. Calling that "sub par" is embarrassing.

 

I guess STORK was blathering about Winckowski.

[mvp 78]

I guess STORK was blathering about Winckowski.

 

A guy gives up 4 in his first MLB start, color me shocked. He may as well go work at Wendy's I guess. I mean, Winckowski is projected to be a back end guy at best anyway. IDK.

[notin]

I guess STORK was blathering about Winckowski.

 

Because it’s embarrassing that Winckowski hasn’t punched his ticket to Cooperstown after 3 career innings?

[Bellhorn04]

Because it’s embarrassing that Winckowski hasn’t punched his ticket to Cooperstown after 3 career innings?

 

Because STORK already knows he's a bum.

 

STORK is a few steps ahead of the rest of us...

[mvp 78]

Because STORK already knows he's a bum.

 

STORK is a few steps ahead of the rest of us...

 

MRS STORK must have run out of Aquaphor.

[moonslav59]

It's not so easy to rebuild a farm system from bottom 5 in just a few short years, especially under the system we have now, where throwing money at unsignable draftees is not possible anymore and IFA money is limited.

 

It's hard to tell how well Bloom has done rebuilding the farm. Many of our current top prospects were actually DD additions, but he hasn't traded away many prospects, and he's added a few by trade- like Winckowski, Seabold, German, Binelas, Hamilton, Downs and Wong.

 

The jury is outq, but the farm is rising in the rankings and improving our odds that we will start getting some helpful, youth infusion into the 26 man roster, soon and into the extended future. That was not an easy feat, despite the high draft pick we got by sucking in 2020.

 

Nobody else drafted Mayer ahead of us.