A Realistic View at 2022: Part III

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Is it just me or do they take far too many first strikes? I swear Verdugo takes one right down the middle, fouls of the 2nd and at 0-2 three times a night.

[moonslav59]

Is it just me or do they take far too many first strikes? I swear Verdugo takes one right down the middle' date=' fouls of the 2nd and at 0-2 three times a night.[/quote']

 

It seems like a team strajedy.

 

[JDavis76]

It will be interesting to see the market on JD. With the NL having a DH, there may be more teams in the bidding.

 

I doubt anyone offers him close to $22M for 2 or more year, but who knows, these days.

 

Maybe he gets $50M/3: I don't know.

 

I'm not sure what we should or might offer him.

 

A trade to a contender would probably be the best they could offer him

[notin]

It will be interesting to see the market on JD. With the NL having a DH, there may be more teams in the bidding.

 

I doubt anyone offers him close to $22M for 2 or more year, but who knows, these days.

 

Maybe he gets $50M/3: I don't know.

 

I'm not sure what we should or might offer him.

 

I suppose JD is more likely to return than Bogaerts. JD is in a place in his career where he can’t really make crazy contract demands. Bogaerts is in a place in his career where it’s the last time he can…

[Bellhorn04]

I suppose JD is more likely to return than Bogaerts. JD is in a place in his career where he can’t really make crazy contract demands. Bogaerts is in a place in his career where it’s the last time he can…

 

Agreed. No idea if they will try to keep JD or not. They'll have plenty of money and we do kind of need hitters.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I suppose JD is more likely to return than Bogaerts. JD is in a place in his career where he can’t really make crazy contract demands. Bogaerts is in a place in his career where it’s the last time he can…

 

I'd say you mean it's the last time his agent can make crazy demands... but I'd be wrong, since Boras will always make crazy demands.

 

Though, say he asks for $33M AAV-- to top Seager, because Xander is better -- with the idea of settling for $30 AAV, since X is also older... but maybe Bogey will be happy with a "fair" $28M. And not as a hometown discount, but because Bogaerts really just wants to stay in Boston after all.

 

Put it this way: if the Sox offer $50-60M more than they gave Story, it's highly unlikely Xander Bogaerts leaves Boston because another club offered him $65M...

[notin]

I'd say you mean it's the last time his agent can make crazy demands... but I'd be wrong, since Boras will always make crazy demands.

 

Though, say he asks for $33M AAV-- to top Seager, because Xander is better -- with the idea of settling for $30 AAV, since X is also older... but maybe Bogey will be happy with a "fair" $28M. And not as a hometown discount, but because Bogaerts really just wants to stay in Boston after all.

 

Put it this way: if the Sox offer $50-60M more than they gave Story, it's highly unlikely Xander Bogaerts leaves Boston because another club offered him $65M...

 

It really comes down to whether or not Bogaerts wants to be paid like Lindor and Seager. He’s older, but Seager gets hurt a lot more. (Or has so far.)

 

Now if Bogaerts/Boras price him closer to, say, Semien, that seems more realistic to me…

[moonslav59]

I'd say you mean it's the last time his agent can make crazy demands... but I'd be wrong, since Boras will always make crazy demands.

 

Though, say he asks for $33M AAV-- to top Seager, because Xander is better -- with the idea of settling for $30 AAV, since X is also older... but maybe Bogey will be happy with a "fair" $28M. And not as a hometown discount, but because Bogaerts really just wants to stay in Boston after all.

 

Put it this way: if the Sox offer $50-60M more than they gave Story, it's highly unlikely Xander Bogaerts leaves Boston because another club offered him $65M...

 

I'm not sure their final offer to Bogey will even equal Story's deal. I seriously doubt it nears the $50-60M over mark.

 

(I've been wrong many times, before on guessing contract offers.)

[Old Red]

I'm not sure their final offer to Bogey will even equal Story's deal. I seriously doubt it nears the $50-60M over mark.

 

(I've been wrong many times, before on guessing contract offers.)

 

Why do you think Boris said he was looking forward to setting down with Tom, and John after the season to talk about Bogey’s contract, and didn’t mention Bloom?

[moonslav59]

Why do you think Boris said he was looking forward to setting down with Tom, and John after the season to talk about Bogey’s contract, and didn’t mention Bloom?

 

I think he knows Bloom just signed his SS of the future.

[MADSTORK]

It will be interesting to see the market on JD. With the NL having a DH, there may be more teams in the bidding.

 

I doubt anyone offers him close to $22M for 2 or more year, but who knows, these days.

 

Maybe he gets $50M/3: I don't know.

 

I'm not sure what we should or might offer him.

 

Evoldi now JD, I have to ask 59 are you also for signing Hill to a 5 year extension at age 44?

 

Smell the coffee my man. JD is 35, great hitter? Absolutely! The age much like evoldi schwarber and every other swinging d!ck does not warrant an extension or re-sign

 

Just think for a second, the above walking to include price off books clears what, 53 million? There is your arbitration money and extend XB cash for 2023

 

Pennant race or no pennant race you trade those players for A level prospects at deadline to further bolster the System

 

That is why it’s important NOW to see what you have in Seabold winkowski Groome Bello to include Casas and Duran

You can compete and build for the future all at once

 

Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed

[moonslav59]

Evoldi now JD, I have to ask 59 are you also for signing Hill to a 5 year extension at age 44?

 

Smell the coffee my man. JD is 35, great hitter? Absolutely! The age much like evoldi schwarber and every other swinging d!ck does not warrant an extension or re-sign

 

Just think for a second, the above walking to include price off books clears what, 53 million? There is your arbitration money and extend XB cash for 2023

 

Pennant race or no pennant race you trade those players for A level prospects at deadline to further bolster the System

 

That is why it’s important NOW to see what you have in Seabold winkowski Groome Bello to include Casas and Duran

You can compete and build for the future all at once

 

Those are the facts and the facts are undisputed

 

Where did I even come close to saying I want to sign JD?

 

Brush up on your reading comp skills.

 

BTW, I'm surprised to see a Stork sighting after a win.

[Old Red]

I think he knows Bloom just signed his SS of the future.

 

Interesting take, but quite a different answer out on the airwaves today.

[moonslav59]

Interesting take, but quite a different answer out on the airwaves today.

 

Enlighten me.

[Old Red]

Enlighten me.

 

Do you visit different venues that talks about the Red Sox, or just on here? I like to broaden my horizons, and I like to hear as many different opinions as I can. Imagine if I just went on here, and thought this was the overwhelming opinion of what Red Sox Nation thinks about different topics. I wouldn’t get a very good answer to all that’s out there. Do you remember when John Henry met Lester out in the parking lot at Fenway when Lester was getting ready to leave?

[moonslav59]

Do you visit different venues that talks about the Red Sox, or just on here? I like to broaden my horizons, and I like to hear as many different opinions as I can. Imagine if I just went on here, and thought this was the overwhelming opinion of what Red Sox Nation thinks about different topics. I wouldn’t get a very good answer to all that’s out there. Do you remember when John Henry met Lester out in the parking lot at Fenway when Lester was getting ready to leave?

 

I live near Houston, so I don't generally listen to Boston talk radio. I do read some articles about the Sox.

 

What is the talk about Bogey you referred to?

 

What do you think the Sox final offer might reach?

[Old Red]

I live near Houston, so I don't generally listen to Boston talk radio. I do read some articles about the Sox.

 

What is the talk about Bogey you referred to?

 

What do you think the Sox final offer might reach?

 

I knew you lived in Houston, but just curious if you were out on the airwaves like the famous Dick From Dayton.

 

Nothing more than Boris was going right to the top with John, and Tom, and wasn’t going to deal with the lower level management, and especially Bloom.

 

I have no idea what the Sox final offer to Bogey will be if it hasn’t happened already, and if it wasn’t the first offer was so low that to me wasn’t even negotiating. I want Bogey resigned, but I wouldn’t go up to $200M. Maybe John Henry should meet with Bogey out in the parking lot.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Old Red

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

So I watched my team trade Mookie Betts over money, the return was Verdugo and 2 minor leaguers who will never be factors. Now I understand the key to that trade was unloading the Price contract but still it is what it is, a trade of one of the top 2 players in baseball in his prime for Vergudo, Wong and Downs to save money.

 

I am hearing they will probably trade Xander and his replacement appears to be Trevor Story. Now there is a real question about the interest in signing Devers, the most dynamic hitter they have developed through their system in a long time.

 

As a lifelong Red Sox fan I'm not used to this.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Yaz Fan Since '67

[Bellhorn04]

So I watched my team trade Mookie Betts over money, the return was Verdugo and 2 minor leaguers who will never be factors. Now I understand the key to that trade was unloading the Price contract but still it is what it is, a trade of one of the top 2 players in baseball in his prime for Vergudo, Wong and Downs to save money.

 

I am hearing they will probably trade Xander and his replacement appears to be Trevor Story. Now there is a real question about the interest in signing Devers, the most dynamic hitter they have developed through their system in a long time.

 

As a lifelong Red Sox fan I'm not used to this.

 

I hear you.

 

The only explanation I can offer is that the time when you could keep your homegrown stars without committing to an exorbitantly large and long contract is past.

[notin]

So I watched my team trade Mookie Betts over money, the return was Verdugo and 2 minor leaguers who will never be factors. Now I understand the key to that trade was unloading the Price contract but still it is what it is, a trade of one of the top 2 players in baseball in his prime for Vergudo, Wong and Downs to save money.

 

I am hearing they will probably trade Xander and his replacement appears to be Trevor Story. Now there is a real question about the interest in signing Devers, the most dynamic hitter they have developed through their system in a long time.

 

As a lifelong Red Sox fan I'm not used to this.

 

 

Mookie wasn’t just traded “over money.” He asked for an exorbitant sum, which very likely means he didn’t want to be here anyway.

 

And so far everything with Bogaerts and Devers is speculation. They both still play for the Red Sox…

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie wasn’t just traded “over money.” He asked for an exorbitant sum, which very likely means he didn’t want to be here anyway.

 

And so far everything with Bogaerts and Devers is speculation. They both still play for the Red Sox…

 

The recent extension offer to Bogey seems to have become accepted fact as much as the Lester Lowball...

[notin]

The recent extension offer to Bogey seems to have become accepted fact as much as the Lester Lowball...

 

But both sides are open to talk.

 

The thing is, no one seems to say what Bogaerts wants. Should the Sox just re-sign him at any cost? What if he wants Seager money?

[Bellhorn04]

But both sides are open to talk.

 

The thing is, no one seems to say what Bogaerts wants. Should the Sox just re-sign him at any cost? What if he wants Seager money?

 

I'm pretty much with you, as my post #289 suggests.

[notin]

I'm pretty much with you, as my post #289 suggests.

 

I think a lot of people just want him signed for whatever.

 

The problem is, with Boston now, he can ask for an exorbitant sum to re-sign because free agency is still there as a fallback. If/when he gets to free agency, offers of his exorbitant magnitude may or may not come.

 

The PR problem for Boston is in this strategy. If Bogaerts asks for 10 years /$300 mill and they let him test the market, his best offer might be 6/$150mill. He’ll sign that and many Sox fans will think “they let him walk over THAT?”

[Bellhorn04]

I think a lot of people just want him signed for whatever.

 

The problem is, with Boston now, he can ask for an exorbitant sum to re-sign because free agency is still there as a fallback. If/when he gets to free agency, offers of his exorbitant magnitude may or may not come.

 

The PR problem for Boston is in this strategy. If Bogaerts asks for 10 years /$300 mill and they let him test the market, his best offer might be 6/$150mill. He’ll sign that and many Sox fans will think “they let him walk over THAT?”

 

And as I said in an earlier post, look at the gulf between what Seager got and what Correa got. Correa was pretty much left standing in the game of musical chairs.

 

There are only so many $300 million offers out there.

[notin]

And as I said in an earlier post, look at the gulf between what Seager got and what Correa got. Correa was pretty much left standing in the game of musical chairs.

 

There are only so many $300 million offers out there.

 

Would you give Bogaerts a Correa offer?

[moonslav59]

I think we have to view the Seager contract as an outlier. Of course, BorA$$ will not see it that way, but what he thinks only matters, if one GM falls for it.

 

It's hard to know, if any one GM will go anywhere near Seager's deal to sign Bogey.

 

The Correa type offer is a tough one to match, as well, IMO. The team gets no longer term security, and $35M is quite a bit, despite the long term risk being negated.

 

It's a tough call.

 

IMO, if we offered Story $23.3M x 6, I can't see us offering Bogey much more than $25M x 6. I may be in the minority, but I also think Bloom would prefer Story at SS over Bogey, so I'm not sure they would assure him he'll be the SS going forward- something he might insist on. Just my gut feeling.

[Bellhorn04]

Would you give Bogaerts a Correa offer?

 

Probably. But I think he'd turn it down.

[Bellhorn04]

The funny thing is, if they do sign an extension with Bogey, you know what the reaction of a lot of Sox fans will be...

 

"Nice, but what about Devers?"

[Old Red]

I think we have to view the Seager contract as an outlier. Of course, BorA$$ will not see it that way, but what he thinks only matters, if one GM falls for it.

 

It's hard to know, if any one GM will go anywhere near Seager's deal to sign Bogey.

 

The Correa type offer is a tough one to match, as well, IMO. The team gets no longer term security, and $35M is quite a bit, despite the long term risk being negated.

 

It's a tough call.

 

IMO, if we offered Story $23.3M x 6, I can't see us offering Bogey much more than $25M x 6. I may be in the minority, but I also think Bloom would prefer Story at SS over Bogey, so I'm not sure they would assure him he'll be the SS going forward- something he might insist on. Just my gut feeling.

 

Story over Bogey seems like another bad Bloom trade to me, which is pretty much what it would be. After all Bogeyhas done in a Red Sox uniform, and is still doing, and Story hasn’t done a damm thing in Boston. Colorado is a long ways from Boston, and just not in miles, and yet some have been enamored with Story since the signing.

Edited May 19, 2022 by Old Red