Fire Bloom .

[notin]

FWIW both Wacha and Eovaldi have been banged up lately, Nate has barely pitched in 6

weeks.

 

Wacha hasn't pitched since July 1st.

 

Eovaldi hasn't pitched since July 18th.

 

If we resigned those two, we'd still be down two starters rigth now, and one less draft pick.

 

But they were both Pitcher of the Month in May!!

[Bellhorn04]

And If we signed Eovaldi instead of Kluber we'd have about 4 more wins now.

 

Different ways to look at things.

[mvp 78]

On BTV, the package the Cardinals received had a surplus value of $7.4mill, while a proposal of Brainer Bonaci and Chase Meidroth had a surplus value of $5mill. And also didn’t have a pitching prospect.

 

Assuming the Cardinals wanted the same positions and sticking with BTV, the Sox could have offered a package of Shane Drohan ($5mill) and Chase Meidroth ($3.3mill) and maybe made the trade.

 

So should the Sox have made that deal? With Sale, Houck and Whitlock coming back?

 

Without the pitching prospect added in, the trade makes no sense. You can’t just go by prospect ranking and think it’s one for one. I agree that somebody like Drohan (top 10 prospect) would have to be added.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I get my consolation at this point from the fact that one Houck and Whitlock return, and Llovera and Barraclough depart, the Sox staff looks deep and formidable. But no depth in case of injury…

 

Don't worry -- if they're coming off the IL, that means they're all cured.

[notin]

Without the pitching prospect added in, the trade makes no sense. You can’t just go by prospect ranking and think it’s one for one. I agree that somebody like Drohan (top 10 prospect) would have to be added.

 

And would you make that deal, assuming St. Louis would?

[moonslav59]

we agree on one thing.I dont think Bloom is calling all the shots.

 

...and yet most of the criticism is directed at him.

 

The guy has made many bad moves. Name a GM who has not.

 

So far, these moves look pretty good to very good:

 

Urias?

Barnardino

Reyes

Tapia & Chang filled the roles, when needed

Martin

Jansen

Turner

Yoshida

Duvall?

McGuire

Abreu & EValdez

Wacha

Hill

Strahm

Paxton

Schwarber

Robles I

Iggy & TShaw I

Schreiber

Refsnyder

Kike I ?

Renfroe

Ottavino ?

Pivetta

Whitlock

Verdugo & Wong

Arroyo

 

Not all these guys were/are great, but it is quite a few good moves. Do all the bad moves really bring his grade down below a C, or far below a C. If you think they do, fine, but by the sounds coming from the many Bloom critics, he ONLY makes bad moves or makes almost all BAD moves.

 

I don't see it that way, and when you look at the budgets he was handed to add players, expecting much better than this, is off base, in my opinion.

 

No, that is not apologizing or supporting Bloom. It is just giving the facts. He made enough bad moves to make up a pretty good sized list. I don't need to list them, because most have it memorized.

[Randy Red Sox]

I have actually been more critical of Henry as I think he has tied Bloom/s hands.

...and yet most of the criticism is directed at him.

 

The guy has made many bad moves. Name a GM who has not.

 

So far, these moves look pretty good to very good:

 

Urias?

Barnardino

Reyes

Tapia & Chang filled the roles, when needed

Martin

Jansen

Turner

Yoshida

Duvall?

McGuire

Abreu & EValdez

Wacha

Hill

Strahm

Paxton

Schwarber

Robles I

Iggy & TShaw I

Schreiber

Refsnyder

Kike I ?

Renfroe

Ottavino ?

Pivetta

Whitlock

Verdugo & Wong

Arroyo

 

Not all these guys were/are great, but it is quite a few good moves. Do all the bad moves really bring his grade down below a C, or far below a C. If you think they do, fine, but by the sounds coming from the many Bloom critics, he ONLY makes bad moves or makes almost all BAD moves.

 

I don't see it that way, and when you look at the budgets he was handed to add players, expecting much better than this, is off base, in my opinion.

 

No, that is not apologizing or supporting Bloom. It is just giving the facts. He made enough bad moves to make up a pretty good sized list. I don't need to list them, because most have it memorized.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

...and yet most of the criticism is directed at him.

 

The guy has made many bad moves. Name a GM who has not.

 

So far, these moves look pretty good to very good:

 

Urias?

Barnardino

Reyes

Tapia & Chang filled the roles, when needed

Martin

Jansen

Turner

Yoshida

Duvall?

McGuire

Abreu & EValdez

Wacha

Hill

Strahm

Paxton

Schwarber

Robles I

Iggy & TShaw I

Schreiber

Refsnyder

Kike I ?

Renfroe

Ottavino ?

Pivetta

Whitlock

Verdugo & Wong

Arroyo

 

Not all these guys were/are great, but it is quite a few good moves. Do all the bad moves really bring his grade down below a C, or far below a C. If you think they do, fine, but by the sounds coming from the many Bloom critics, he ONLY makes bad moves or makes almost all BAD moves.

 

I don't see it that way, and when you look at the budgets he was handed to add players, expecting much better than this, is off base, in my opinion.

 

No, that is not apologizing or supporting Bloom. It is just giving the facts. He made enough bad moves to make up a pretty good sized list. I don't need to list them, because most have it memorized.

 

You know Bloom isn't criticized for all the supplemental, platoon players or roster depth he's added that actually contribute to a winning cause.

 

And yet, reposting lists like these that show the so-called "good moves" reveal the issue: where are the major impact players at impact positions that can and do put big market teams in the World Series?

 

Without going over every guy on the list, who had more than a few impact months for Boston? I've got one full year of Whitlock in relief. Hopefully, Martin and maybe Jansen will stay consistent and join him this October. Or maybe Turner or Yoshida will stay healthy and consistent with the bats.

 

But here's the thing about Bloom and impact guys -- they either leave, like Mookie and Xander, and are not replaced with other stars -- or they never sign in Boston or are acquired to lead the Red Sox -- like at the top of the rotation.

[moonslav59]

You know Bloom isn't criticized for all the supplemental, platoon players or roster depth he's added that actually contribute to a winning cause.

 

And yet, reposting lists like these that show the so-called "good moves" reveal the issue: where are the major impact players at impact positions that can and do put big market teams in the World Series?

 

Without going over every guy on the list, who had more than a few impact months for Boston? I've got one full year of Whitlock in relief. Hopefully, Martin and maybe Jansen will stay consistent and join him this October. Or maybe Turner or Yoshida will stay healthy and consistent with the bats.

 

But here's the thing about Bloom and impact guys -- they either leave, like Mookie and Xander, and are not replaced with other stars -- or they never sign in Boston or are acquired to lead the Red Sox -- like at the top of the rotation.

-You don't often get big impact players for $7-10M/1 deals.

 

Story has not or not yet been a big impact, and I'm not sure Yoshida is bige enough of an impact for you, but due to budget tightness, Bloom has just swung twice at that big apple.

 

My point was directed at those who make statements that say or imply that all or nearly all Bloom does fails.

 

No doubt, he's failed enough, but to me, it's not even half, at worst.

Edited August 12, 2023 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

-You don't often get big impact players for $7-10M/1 deals.

 

Story has not or not yet been a big impact, and I'm not sure Yoshida is bige enough of an impact for you, but due to budget tightness, Bloom has just swung twice at that big apple.

 

Yoshida's 1.2 fWAR is not really a big impact at this point.

[Bellhorn04]

Bloom has been a monster mixed bag, but at this point in time I do have hope for him. I really do want to like him.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bloom has been a monster mixed bag, but at this point in time I do have hope for him. I really do want to like him.

 

It's funny, because he seems like a good guy in public. But it's getting to the point that his words, actions and inactions -- along with subsequent W-L records, and place in standings -- make me almost hope Bloom is either in over his head or just a puppet on ownership strings. I don't want him to be full of crap.

[notin]

Bloom has been a monster mixed bag, but at this point in time I do have hope for him. I really do want to like him.

 

He needs to learn how to do interviews, especially about plans. Don’t say it if it isn’t going to happen…

[Bellhorn04]

He needs to learn how to do interviews, especially about plans. Don’t say it if it isn’t going to happen…

 

It's a no-win situation for him, though, frankly. There's no way to sell a rebuilding plan to Red Sox Nation that will please them.

[notin]

It's a no-win situation for him, though, frankly. There's no way to sell a rebuilding plan to Red Sox Nation that will please them.

 

… which is really odd because 50% of them propose it happen at the first sign that the team might lose 75 games…

[moonslav59]

Yoshida's 1.2 fWAR is not really a big impact at this point.

 

Yes, I'm not sure he's been a "big enough impact," too.

 

We knew he was not a great fielder and would likely be our DH within 1-3 years.

 

DH's and low defense left fielders often get shorted on WAR.

[moonslav59]

… which is really odd because 50% of them propose it happen at the first sign that the team might lose 75 games…

 

Not according to Red...

 

99% of Sox Nation wants us to go for winning now, every minute of every day.

[Old Red]

Not according to Red...

 

99% of Sox Nation wants us to go for winning now, every minute of every day.

 

I don’t think I ever said 99%. Maybe 99% of the venues I frequent.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think I ever said 99%. Maybe 99% of the venues I frequent.

 

Yes, on that huge corner.

[Old Red]

Yes, on that huge corner.

 

That corner is talksox only, and that’s where the 1% would come in.

[Old Red]

Yoshida's 1.2 fWAR is not really a big impact at this point.

 

Let’s see how he ends up, but he does have long stretches where he hits ping pong balls to the infield.

[moonslav59]

That corner is talksox only, and that’s where the 1% would come in.

 

I'm on talksox, a lot, but you keep saying "in your tiny corner of the world."

 

I'm confused.

[Old Red]

I'm on talksox, a lot, but you keep saying "in your tiny corner of the world."

 

I'm confused.

Talksox is just one small part, and a very small sample size, which makes up RSN. I talk face to face pretty much everyday with more people at the bowling alley, or PF that are regulars on here. Not all are Red Sox fans either, so you get a lot more variety of opinions. Plus all the other venues I visit on a regular basis, so talksox is my little corner of the world too.It’s never been where you live.

[moonslav59]

We got Yoshida for his bat, and he has delivered, so far.

 

MLB wRC+

T32. Turner 125 (1.7 fWAR)

T34. Casas 124 (0.9 fWAR)

T34. Yoshida 124 (1.2 fWAR)

T34. Devers 124 (2.2 fWAR)

T82. Dugo 105 (2.0)

4 in the top 35, is pretty awesome.

Duran is at 124, but his 344 PAs DNQ.

 

OPS Leaders (300+ PAs)

29. Devers .847

38. Duran .839 (Only 30 batters have more PAs and a better OPS.)

39. Casas .839

41. Turner .835

44. Yoshida .828

 

 

[Old Red]

We got Yoshida for his bat, and he has delivered, so far.

 

MLB wRC+

T32. Turner 125 (1.7 fWAR)

T34. Casas 124 (0.9 fWAR)

T34. Yoshida 124 (1.2 fWAR)

T34. Devers 124 (2.2 fWAR)

T82. Dugo 105 (2.0)

4 in the top 35, is pretty awesome.

Duran is at 124, but his 344 PAs DNQ.

 

OPS Leaders (300+ PAs)

29. Devers .847

38. Duran .839 (Only 30 batters have more PAs and a better OPS.)

39. Casas .839

41. Turner .835

44. Yoshida .828

 

 

Let’s see where his stats end up, and how he does these last two months during a postseason push.

[notin]

Talksox is just one small part, and a very small sample size, which makes up RSN. I talk face to face pretty much everyday with more people at the bowling alley, or PF that are regulars on here. Not all are Red Sox fans either, so you get a lot more variety of opinions. Plus all the other venues I visit on a regular basis, so talksox is my little corner of the world too.It’s never been where you live.

 

 

Except that you very likely seek out folks with similar interests who therefore unsurprisingly share your viewpoints…

[moonslav59]

Let’s see where his stats end up, and how he does these last two months during a postseason push.

 

One question about Yoshida was his ability to handle a 162 game season.

 

Yes, the last 7 weeks will be meaningful, but to me, not the be all- end all.

 

If he ends up over .800, I think that's pretty good. Over .825 would be good. Near or over .850 would be very good.

[Old Red]

Except that you very likely seek out folks with similar interests who therefore unsurprisingly share your viewpoints…

 

I don’t seek out anyone. I mingle with Yankee fans, and a few O’s fans too . The worst part is mingling with Patriot fans, and I can’t stand the Patriots, so no I do not seek anyone out. That wouldn’t sound like any fun to me.

[moonslav59]

I don’t seek out anyone. I mingle with Yankee fans, and a few O’s fans too . The worst part is mingling with Patriot fans, and I can’t stand the Patriots, so no I do not seek anyone out. That wouldn’t sound like any fun to me.

 

You do make it sound like the overwhelming majority of people you come in contact with share your point of view.

 

When I talk to fellow Sox fans or visit Maine, like I do every summer, I hear a more mixed set of views on Sox management and direction they seem to be going in.

 

Maybe the "corners" we hang out on have vastly different demographics, or something.

 

Anyway, I'd never feel like having many who agree with me means my position carries more weight.

[moonslav59]

Some of these sample sizes are small, but here are the 2023 numbers of key players Bloom has acquired in the last 2 seasons:

 

.979 Story

.846 Duvall

.842 Turner

.825 Yoshida

,759 Reyes

.703 Refsnyder

.690 McGuire

.684 EValdez

.552 Chang

 

1.37 Martin

2.70 Barraclough

2.70 Sherriff

2.77 Bernardino

2.86 Winckowski

2.86 Winckowski

2.97 Jansen

3.20 Schreiber (pitched 3 innings in 2021)

3.36 Paxton

3.68 Kelly

(9 of the top 11 ERA pitchers- Murphy & Walter were here longer than 2 yrs)

4.16 Pivetta (started a few games in 2021)

 

4.91 T Scott

5.28 Bleier

5.85 Jacques

6.26 Ort

6.55 Joely

6.75 Dermody

7.01 Kluber