Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

Starting at the 2015 Draft:

2015

0 AS pitchers 10-15, picks included Carson Fulmer, Kaprelian (16th)

2016

0 AS pitchers, Ian Anderson, AJ Puk, Braxton Garrett, Cal Quantril, Matt Manning, Jay Groome!

2017

1 AS pitcher (Rogers), Trevor Rogers, Hunter Greene, Mackenzie Gore, Kyle Wright, Shane Baz

2018

0 AS pitchers, Casey Mize, Ryan Weathers, Grayson Rodriguez, Logan Gilbert

2019

1 AS pitcher (Manoah), Nick Lodolo, Alek Manoah

2020

0 AS pitchers, Max Meyer, Reid Detmers

2021

0 AS pitchers, Sam Bachman

2022

0 AS pitchers (duh), no one has appeared in MLB yet

 

Excellent stuff, and one reason why taking SSs is usually the safer bet, and not just by a team like the Sox, who have a poorer track record at drafting good pitchers.

[moonslav59]

If both were available, they would have drafted Mayer anyways. They would have drafted the best player available, because that is consistent with their M.O. Also one report from an outside source does not a fact make. And that's a fact.

 

They thought Mayer would be gone. Why? Because they thought he was better than Lieter.

[notin]

They thought Mayer would be gone. Why? Because they thought he was better than Lieter.

 

Because most mock drafts had him gone by then, likely including their own?

 

The mock drafts all went awry when Davis went at #1

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not saying a $10M signing can't make a big difference, but my point was about what can be expected from a $10M/1 signing, and in that context, how can any signing at that money ever be viewed as a major blunder.

 

We've focused on the Kluber signing because he's the only starter Bloom signed. The premise is that we badly needed an upgrade to the rotation but didn't get one. That would qualify as a blunder.

[notin]

We've focused on the Kluber signing because he's the only starter Bloom signed. The premise is that we badly needed an upgrade to the rotation but didn't get one. That would qualify as a blunder.

 

We didn’t?

 

Last year the Sox most frequently used SP were Pivetta, Hill, Wacha, Eovaldi and Winckowski

 

Right now the rotation is Paxton, Whitlock, Houck, Bello and Crawford.

 

Is it upgraded over last year?

[Old Red]

We didn’t?

 

Last year the Sox most frequently used SP were Pivetta, Hill, Wacha, Eovaldi and Winckowski

 

Right now the rotation is Paxton, Whitlock, Houck, Bello and Crawford.

 

Is it upgraded over last year?

 

TBD. Don’t get giddy over the last 3 performances against the Yankees, and think everything is alright now in the rotation. Let’s wait, and see how things look at the AS break.

[sk7326]

Jackson Jobe was taken at #3 and was a High School player. The literal guy right before him as I said in my post.

 

Oops - position player. BTW: Jobe is very much a "you better be right pick" ... the attrition rate for high school pitching compared to other cohorts is frightening

[moonslav59]

We've focused on the Kluber signing because he's the only starter Bloom signed. The premise is that we badly needed an upgrade to the rotation but didn't get one. That would qualify as a blunder.

 

Yes, I have agreed we blundered on not focusing more resources (not necessarily money via free agency) on the rotation, instead of offense.

 

I was speaking directly to the idea that no $10M/1 contract can seriously be viewed as a major blunder. (Okay, maybe I moved the goalpost by saying "major," but personally, I can't view any $10M signing as a simple "blunder.")

 

Yes, it was a major blunder not to acquire an ace or solid $2 type, somehow, last winter. I agree. Had we added an solid SPer plus Kluber, we would not be seeing the Kluber signing as a blunder, just a mistake.

 

Maybe we are nit-picking with semantics, but I think you get my point.

 

You get what you pay for on $10M/1 signings. Most are usually dice rolls with players having injury history or some beliefs there is some upside chances.

 

Bloom has failed, miserably on his $10M signings: Kluber, Richards & Kike '23.

 

He failed on the Barnes extension, which was almost $10M/1, when you factor in what we paid MIA to take him.

 

We did so-so on the Ottavino acquisition which was almost $10M. The Martin signing was almost $10M x 2 and looks okay, so far.

 

Turner is close to $10M x 1 or $10M x 2 and looks okay.

 

The bigger signings are TBD: Devers (looks less good, now, than when we signed him), Story (looks bad), Jansen (looks good) and Yoshida (looks good.)

 

His signings between $3M and $7M look better, for some reason, especially Wacha (l7), Hill (5), Duvall (7), Strahm (3), Kike (7 x 2), Renfroe (3), Paxton (10/2)

 

The Diemnan $8M/2 turned out okay, thanks to the trade for McGuire that also saved us $5M.

 

There were some bad and so-so signings between $3-7M, too, but not as many as good ones.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We didn’t?

 

Last year the Sox most frequently used SP were Pivetta, Hill, Wacha, Eovaldi and Winckowski

 

Right now the rotation is Paxton, Whitlock, Houck, Bello and Crawford.

 

Is it upgraded over last year?

 

I really like Bello, and posted over the winter that the season would hinge not on Sale and Paxton, but on the development/recovery of Bello, Whitlock and Houck.

 

But to answer your question: I don't know how anyone could say "yes" right now, when Eovaldi and Wacha were named the AL and NL Pitchers of the Month less than a couple weeks ago. And if you want to counter that they're both better than they were in Boston, the Sox aren't better yet for not having them in the rotation that has ranked near the bottom of MLB for the first third of the season.

[mvp 78]

Oops - position player. BTW: Jobe is very much a "you better be right pick" ... the attrition rate for high school pitching compared to other cohorts is frightening

 

Yup and many DET outlets were saying the same thing at the time. DET FO was saying "Jobe was #1 on our sheet, scouted Mayer but wasn't impressed with the hit tool, Jobe has a great makeup and can be a #1 starter." With young arms these days, any pitch could lead to a career defining injury.

[notin]

TBD. Don’t get giddy over the last 3 performances against the Yankees, and think everything is alright now in the rotation. Let’s wait, and see how things look at the AS break.

 

The rotation I named from last year was worth 5.8 fWAR. The current 5 have 2.5 fWAR. Catching last year is certainly doable…

[notin]

I really like Bello, and posted over the winter that the season would hinge not on Sale and Paxton, but on the development/recovery of Bello, Whitlock and Houck.

 

But to answer your question: I don't know how anyone could say "yes" right now, when Eovaldi and Wacha were named the AL and NL Pitchers of the Month less than a couple weeks ago. And if you want to counter that they're both better than they were in Boston, the Sox aren't better yet for not having them in the rotation that has ranked near the bottom of MLB for the first third of the season.

 

The performances of Wacha and Eovaldi this year are irrelevant in questioning whether or not the current rotation is an upgrade over last year…

[Elktonnick]

The performances of Wacha and Eovaldi this year are irrelevant in questioning whether or not the current rotation is an upgrade over last year…

 

Why

[Bellhorn04]

Why

 

It's 2 separate things.

[Elktonnick]

It's 2 separate things.

 

No it is not since both were members of last years team. If you want an honest analysis of the question.

[notin]

Why

 

Because I’m comparing the current rotation to last year’s rotation. Not theoretically possible rotations that could have happened this year to last year’s rotation…

[Elktonnick]

Your comparison is interesting but utterly irrelevant to the question posed but the title of the thread i.e.Fire Bloom

The fact that Bloom chose not resign the two is absolutely germaine to a valid evaluation of the current rotation.

[Dipre]

Your comparison is interesting but utterly irrelevant to the question posed but the title of the thread i.e.Fire Bloom

The fact that Bloom chose not resign the two is absolutely germaine to a valid evaluation of the current rotation.

 

Eovaldi chose not to sign with the Sox, and Wacha will turn back into a pumpkin. He surely could have done better than Kluber, with the benefit of hindsight.

[moonslav59]

Let's compare last year's rotation to this year's:

 

2022

4.49 ERA (110 ERA-)

4.14 SIERA

.763 OPS Against

1.35 WHIP

5.0 IP/GS

28% QS

 

2023

5.07 ERA (114 ERA-)

4.09 SIERA

.779 OPS Against

1.34 WHIP

5.1 IP/GS

27% QS

 

Individual

GS Pitcher ERA

33 Pivetta 4.56

26 Hill 4.27

23 Wacha 3.32

20 Nate 3.87

14 Wink 5.89

12 Craw 5.47

11 Bello 4.71

9 Whitlock 3.45

5 Seabold 11.29

4 Houck 3.15

3 Davis 5.47

2 Sale 3.18

 

2023

12 Houck 5.23

11 Sale 4.58 (IL)

10 Bello 3.78

9 Kluber 7.13 (demoted to pen)

8 Pivetta 5.47 (demoted to pen)

6 Whitlock 4.78

5 Paxton 3.81 (now in rotation)

4 Crawford 3.68 (now in rotation)

1 Dermody 6.75 (DFA'd)

 

 

[Dipre]

No it is not since both were members of last years team. If you want an honest analysis of the question.

 

You're asking the wrong question.

[Elktonnick]

No. The only right question to Fire Bloom is why keep him?

Bloom's only real talent is signing injury prone ball players. For example Peter Abraham reporting indicates rehab is not going well for several of Bloom's blunders

[moonslav59]

No. The only right question to Fire Bloom is why keep him?

Bloom's only real talent is signing injury prone ball players. For example Peter Abraham reporting indicates rehab is not going well for several of Bloom's blunders

 

Yoshida is injured?

Turner?

Jansen?

 

Yes, Duvall & Martin have been but are back.

 

Joely is out. (He's the only recent signing on the IL.)

 

If you go back further to include Story, Wacha and Hill and Strahm, then yes. If you count trades like Mondesi, then count McGuire, Dugo, Wong, Valdez and Wink.

 

His waiver wire and Rule 5's have been hurt: Whitlock, Schreiber and Arroyo.

 

His carry overs have been hurt: Sale & Houck.

 

[Elktonnick]

Those back will be injured again. Like Sale, most of Blooms signings are just injuries waiting to happen. It is continous cycle.

Bloom shops in the broken toys aisle .

[notin]

Those back will be injured again. Like Sale, most of Blooms signings are just injuries waiting to happen. It is continous cycle.

Bloom shops in the broken toys aisle .

 

Bloom had nothing to do with Sale’s contract extension. That one was inherited…

[moonslav59]

Bloom had nothing to do with Sale’s contract extension. That one was inherited…

 

Don't forget Bloom's Nate signing.

[Elktonnick]

Once again you misinterpret what I post. You do that a lot

 

I never said Bloom signed Sale

I said like Sale Bloom signs players who are injuries waiting to happen.

[notin]

Once again you misinterpret what I post. You do that a lot

 

I never said Bloom signed Sale

I said like Sale Bloom signs players who are injuries waiting to happen.

 

Now see, that’s not any better. Now you’ve gone and made it sound like Sale also signs injury prone players.

 

This might not be on the reader. Sale never belonged in a post about Bloom’s signings…

[Old Red]

Now see, that’s not any better. Now you’ve gone and made it sound like Sale also signs injury prone players.

 

This might not be on the reader. Sale never belonged in a post about Bloom’s signings…

 

I got the point plain, and simple. Sale was like a Story signing an injury most likely to happen.

[moonslav59]

Now see, that’s not any better. Now you’ve gone and made it sound like Sale also signs injury prone players.

 

This might not be on the reader. Sale never belonged in a post about Bloom’s signings…

 

LOL!

 

Too funny.

[Bellhorn04]

We can analyze Bloom's moves to death, and we'll continue to do so, but the bottom line is he's put together 2 sub-.500 teams in a row.