Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

So THAT'S the plan to add more pitching. Keep acquiring shortstops or rightfield types with cannon arms, and just convert them...

 

They're stretching out Dalbec right now. First, he has to play corner OF to build up his stamina long-tossing...

 

You crack me up.

 

I do wonder about us acquiring pitchers. Part of me thinks, why waste picks on pitchers, when they can't evaluate or develop them well, anyway.

 

A bigger part of me thinks, get your s*** together and get the right people into the organization- like YESTERDAY!

[Bellhorn04]

Now folks are starting to comment on the irony of the "Tampa Bay North" thing. We wish! they say.

[mvp 78]

Now folks are starting to comment on the irony of the "Tampa Bay North" thing. We wish! they say.

 

It's true though. Tampa has been competitive year in and year out. Sox are either first place or dead last.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's true though. Tampa has been competitive year in and year out. Sox are either first place or dead last.

 

But we're always on the verge of making a run...

 

... making a beer run, a run in the stockings, running out of options/time/patience/disposable income.

 

Waiting until everyone is healthy is unhealthy.

[mvp 78]

But we're always on the verge of making a run...

 

... making a beer run, a run in the stockings, running out of options/time/patience/disposable income.

 

Waiting until everyone is healthy is unhealthy.

 

Only 2 games back of the Wild Card!!! Still in it!!!

[Bellhorn04]

Only 2 games back of the Wild Card!!! Still in it!!!

 

This year it's gonna be me leading the charge for the fire sale!

[mvp 78]

This year it's gonna be me leading the charge for the fire sale!

 

Sounds like buzzarding to me.

[d-money]

Bloom sucks but he’s just a puppet to Henry.

[notin]

Now folks are starting to comment on the irony of the "Tampa Bay North" thing. We wish! they say.

 

Pretty sure I was saying months ago that being Tampa North wasn’t necessarily a bad thing…

[moonslav59]

Pretty sure I was saying months ago that being Tampa North wasn’t necessarily a bad thing…

 

Were the Astros & Dodgers called Tampa West?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Refsnyder batting third today.

 

I swear Cora pulls crap like this just to show the world the deep options of a roster Bloom has provided him with.

[jad]

What are the over/unders on when Devers demands a trade?

Win/win situation. Devers gets to play with a serious team, and MOST IMPORTANT, John Henry gets another 300million in his pocket.

[moonslav59]

What are the over/unders on when Devers demands a trade?

Win/win situation. Devers gets to play with a serious team, and MOST IMPORTANT, John Henry gets another 300million in his pocket.

 

Hw will never even hint at thinking about wanting to be traded.

 

Nevers Devers!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hw will never even hint at thinking about wanting to be traded.

 

Nevers Devers!

 

The problem isn't whether Devers gets fed up. We just better hope Bloom gets canned before he pushes the panic reset and pulls a Longoria, because Devers does not have a No-Trade Clause.

[moonslav59]

The problem isn't whether Devers gets fed up. We just better hope Bloom gets canned before he pushes the panic reset and pulls a Longoria, because Devers does not have a No-Trade Clause.

 

Well, Longoria was traded just in time, but Devers is here forevers.

[Hugh2]

What are the over/unders on when Devers demands a trade?

Win/win situation. Devers gets to play with a serious team, and MOST IMPORTANT, John Henry gets another 300million in his pocket.

 

I don’t know wanna bet on it? I’d be willing to be a lot he’s not on any other teams 40 man outside of Boston come opening day 2024

[jad]

So far Bloom has gotten rid of ALL high-priced guys and replaced them with "his" guys--generally cheaper and less productive. I'm curious--why do you think Devers' situation is different? That no one in the RS organization will say, "Hey, John. Look. Here's a way to put a couple of hundred million in your pocket." What in the past history of three years of so makes you think JH is committed to keeping him? Because everything I see suggests he will soon be gone and there will be plenty of teams willing to take on his contract.

[Bellhorn04]

So far Bloom has gotten rid of ALL high-priced guys and replaced them with "his" guys--generally cheaper and less productive. I'm curious--why do you think Devers' situation is different? That no one in the RS organization will say, "Hey, John. Look. Here's a way to put a couple of hundred million in your pocket." What in the past history of three years of so makes you think JH is committed to keeping him? Because everything I see suggests he will soon be gone and there will be plenty of teams willing to take on his contract.

 

Generally speaking, the guys they got rid of were about to become free agents. So that is quite a bit different from a guy they just signed to a 10-year extension.

 

If they didn't plan to keep Devers they would have followed the same MO and traded him or let him walk.

[moonslav59]

I don’t know wanna bet on it? I’d be willing to be a lot he’s not on any other teams 40 man outside of Boston come opening day 2024

 

Your "over/under" is opening day 2024?

[moonslav59]

Generally speaking, the guys they got rid of were about to become free agents. So that is quite a bit different from a guy they just signed to a 10-year extension.

 

Exactly.

 

All of his trades of vets have been players with one year or less, except Beni (3 yrs) and Diekman (1.3 yrs).

 

As far as I know, no Sox player has demanded a trade under Bloom.

 

jad asks, "why do you think the Devers situation s different?" when we are actually saying it is not different. We keep all our major vets until they reach free agency, except...

 

Betts- after we offered him $300M and he refused

 

and

 

Beni- after he spurned the club's off-season conditioning regime and went rogue.

 

IMO, we should have trade JD, Bogey and Nate, instead of getting nothing for them but measly comp picks.

 

I'm glad we got something for Workman, Hembree, Vaz and Diekman. Hell, we might end up being happy with Wink for Beni, when all is said and done.

[mvp 78]

Generally speaking, the guys they got rid of were about to become free agents. So that is quite a bit different from a guy they just signed to a 10-year extension.

 

If they didn't plan to keep Devers they would have followed the same MO and traded him or let him walk.

 

It makes no sense to trade Devers AFTER signing him to the big contract. He has way less trade value now.

[jad]

Your "over/under" is opening day 2024?

 

Not mine. I'm asking YOU to set the over/unders. I would bet that he's not here opening day 2025? I'd say that's even money.

[jad]

It makes no sense to trade Devers AFTER signing him to the big contract. He has way less trade value now.

 

I know. But it didn't make any sense to get rid of popular players like Betts, Bogaerts, Vaz, etc. etc.

 

Since there are no salary matching rules in MLB, you could let him go for that mythical "boatload of prospects" and you would be in the same position as if you had let him walk, w/ hundreds of millions of dollars left in your pocket. The team that gets him is happy, and you can tell your fan base: "Well we tried to sign him big time, and did; but it didn't work out so LOOK HOW WE'VE REBUILT THE FARM!!!

 

How is that different from the thinking that let Betts and Bogaerts walk?

 

(Mind you, I think kicking your fans in the teeth like that is bad business; but so was getting rid of the guys named above.)

[moonslav59]

Not mine. I'm asking YOU to set the over/unders. I would bet that he's not here opening day 2025? I'd say that's even money.

 

I set mine: never.

 

I was responding to Hugh who suggested he'd be on our 2024 opening day roster.

[moonslav59]

I know. But it didn't make any sense to get rid of popular players like Betts, Bogaerts, Vaz, etc. etc.

 

Since there are no salary matching rules in MLB, you could let him go for that mythical "boatload of prospects" and you would be in the same position as if you had let him walk, w/ hundreds of millions of dollars left in your pocket. The team that gets him is happy, and you can tell your fan base: "Well we tried to sign him big time, and did; but it didn't work out so LOOK HOW WE'VE REBUILT THE FARM!!!

 

How is that different from the thinking that let Betts and Bogaerts walk?

 

(Mind you, I think kicking your fans in the teeth like that is bad business; but so was getting rid of the guys named above.)

 

He was forced to trade Betts after he refused a $300M offer. That's about as different as it can get.

 

He botched the Bogey negotiations, but I still wonder, if he ever wanted him at even $160M/6. I'm also not sure Bogey would have taken even $180M/6, so it's kinda hard to pinpoint a mistake.

 

Vaz? Meh.

 

JD? It was time for him to go.

 

Nate? Same

 

ERod? Looks like the right choice.

 

Are you glad we chose to extend Sale?

[jad]

He was forced to trade Betts after he refused a $300M offer. That's about as different as it can get.

 

He botched the Bogey negotiations, but I still wonder, if he ever wanted him at even $160M/6. I'm also not sure Bogey would have taken even $180M/6, so it's kinda hard to pinpoint a mistake.

 

Vaz? Meh.

 

JD? It was time for him to go.

 

Nate? Same

 

ERod? Looks like the right choice.

 

Are you glad we chose to extend Sale?

 

No. I like home-grown players. I get used to watching them. That's why I still turn on Dodger or Padre games: I'd rather watch Bogaerts and Betts for the few minutes they play than the mish-mash of players, old guys, injured players, has-beens, and guys with rap sheets, BLoom now calls the Red Sox.

 

But we'll see. If by some miracle,, Devers is still with the RS in 2025, I'm happy to lose the bet.

[moonslav59]

No. I like home-grown players. I get used to watching them. That's why I still turn on Dodger or Padre games: I'd rather watch Bogaerts and Betts for the few minutes they play than the mish-mash of players, old guys, injured players, has-beens, and guys with rap sheets, BLoom now calls the Red Sox.

 

But we'll see. If by some miracle,, Devers is still with the RS in 2025, I'm happy to lose the bet.

 

I think all fans like their team to keep their good and well established players. I do, too.

 

There does come a time, when it's not helpful to the team, like letting JBJ go, although we ended up bringing him back.

 

Vaz was good, but he was up and down at the plate and seemed to have issues getting the most out of the staff.

[jad]

I think all fans like their team to keep their good and well established players. I do, too.

 

There does come a time, when it's not helpful to the team, like letting JBJ go, although we ended up bringing him back.

 

Vaz was good, but he was up and down at the plate and seemed to have issues getting the most out of the staff.

 

A response like this is why I am amazed at the claims that there are no Bloom-apologists here. This is Bloom-speak at its finest. "I know those are popular players, but it is not 'helpful to the team' to keep them." But that is crazy talk (by which I mean: 'this is RedSox front-office talk'). It is not 'helpful to Henry's wallet' to keep them is what you mean, since you cannot possibly mean that this team would not be better with Betts and Bogaerts.

[moonslav59]

A response like this is why I am amazed at the claims that there are no Bloom-apologists here. This is Bloom-speak at its finest. "I know those are popular players, but it is not 'helpful to the team' to keep them." But that is crazy talk (by which I mean: 'this is RedSox front-office talk'). It is not 'helpful to Henry's wallet' to keep them is what you mean, since you cannot possibly mean that this team would not be better with Betts and Bogaerts.

 

I bashed Bloom for bringing back JBJ more than anyone here.

 

I don't think keeping Vaz, an aging JD and Nate and ERod would have been good for the team or fans.

 

It's not about the money. JH spent more replacing these guys than it would have cost keeping them.

 

I agreed on Bogey.

 

We offered Betts a fair deal.

 

You are confusing what "apologist" means. Yes, I've defended Bloom on things I think he needed to be defended, but I've criticized ima lot. Mostly, I provide context, which often looks like a defense, but isn't and was not intended to be apologies.

[mvp 78]

A response like this is why I am amazed at the claims that there are no Bloom-apologists here. This is Bloom-speak at its finest. "I know those are popular players, but it is not 'helpful to the team' to keep them." But that is crazy talk (by which I mean: 'this is RedSox front-office talk'). It is not 'helpful to Henry's wallet' to keep them is what you mean, since you cannot possibly mean that this team would not be better with Betts and Bogaerts.

 

To be fair, he mentioned letting JBJ and Vaz go, not letting Betts and Bogey go. There's a big difference between keeping those tiers of players.

 

I've been out on Henry ever since they let Mookie go. Not extending Bogey after 2021 was a HUGE mistake.

 

If the FO has a plan, it's not obvious what it is.