Fire Bloom .

[Hugh2]

I believe they have to keep him on the 26 for at least 90 days even if on the IL, or something like that.

 

I believe when you put a guy on the 60 day you remove him from the 40 man, like we just did with Mondesi. Phillie can now retain Song without burning a 40 man spot.

[notin]

I believe when you put a guy on the 60 day you remove him from the 40 man, like we just did with Mondesi. Phillie can now retain Song without burning a 40 man spot.

 

He still has to be on the active roster for 90 days this season. But now those days can’t start until end of May…

[Hugh2]

He still has to be on the active roster for 90 days this season. But now those days can’t start until end of May…

 

I know the rules are convoluted, and I’m not going to pretend I know them perfectly. Heck we know the sports writers don’t but I’m certain as long as he’s on the 60 day IL he does not have to be on the 40 man

[Hugh2]

I believe the 90 days can be accumulated next year too and at that point he can be optioned

[Hugh2]

Actually they have 15 days from now to have to add him to the 40 man, but since they put him on the 15 IL is it still 15 days? Or 15 + 15?

 

If he rehabs back this year he would have to be out back on the 40 man at some pointzs. s*** now I’m just confused again

[notin]

I know the rules are convoluted, and I’m not going to pretend I know them perfectly. Heck we know the sports writers don’t but I’m certain as long as he’s on the 60 day IL he does not have to be on the 40 man

 

That’s true. But it doesn’t help his Rule 5 status…

[notin]

I believe the 90 days can be accumulated next year too and at that point he can be optioned

 

They can be but:

 

1. He can’t be optioned until the 90 days are completed and

2. Again, Song’s biggest flaw is his inactivity. Prolonging that will not help.

 

Also not sure if his 15 day rehab assignment for returning from the Military List is counted among those 90 days. It shouldn’t be, because it’s a rehab assignment. But I doubt the rules are specific enough to really know just yet…

[Elktonnick]

Three things.

 

Your reasoning is purely anecdotal, and conjecture doesn't make you wrong.

If they had an inside scoop, why didn't everyone else? I think we would of heard something.

It didn't help the Phillies, their hope was to stash him on the military reserve list for the year. Now they were forced to have a kid skip up 4 levels of pro ball after not playing for over 3 years. No one wants to do that.

 

When you consider that, it's very unlikely the Phillies had the inside scoop.

 

Pennsylvania has two members of the Armed Services Committee. It takes no imagination or special knowedge to believe that the Phillies front office would ask their congressional rep to inquire of the Pentagon regarding their intentions. Such inquiries by congressional offices are routine. When I was in gov't we got such queries daily. Every congressional office has people to handle such requests and DOD has a huge staff to process such queries. It would be the height of incompetence by the Phillies not to have made such an inquiry. It costs them nothing to do so. Moreover there is nothing illegal or unethical by anyone to make such a request or to receive a legitimate reply.

[MADSTORK]

The final Bloom season starting out with a bang!

 

Predicted win loss record 73 89

 

The Henry demise started when he Traded the “once in a generational talent” named Betts

 

Minus, Betts Benny Bogey, Renfro Schwarber Vazquez the list is long and distinguished like my Johnson!

Hey, there’s always Bobby in AAA, yogi from Japan and Bobby Duvall from Atlanta

? What’s Henry paying Story again?

 

Bye bye Orlando, I hear Epstein is in the New England area house hunting….

[Hugh2]

They can be but:

 

1. He can’t be optioned until the 90 days are completed and

2. Again, Song’s biggest flaw is his inactivity. Prolonging that will not help.

 

Also not sure if his 15 day rehab assignment for returning from the Military List is counted among those 90 days. It shouldn’t be, because it’s a rehab assignment. But I doubt the rules are specific enough to really know just yet…

 

No, but with number 2 he can still spend time with trainers, get into a throwing program and go on a rehab assignment. That’s real development NOt at the MLB level

[moonslav59]

No, but with number 2 he can still spend time with trainers, get into a throwing program and go on a rehab assignment. That’s real development NOt at the MLB level

 

True, but one has to think it can't be enough time to determine, if he's worth keeping a 40 man slot open, once the time is up, right?

[Hugh2]

True, but one has to think it can't be enough time to determine, if he's worth keeping a 40 man slot open, once the time is up, right?

 

I don’t know the answer to that question, but I figured that’s why DD selected him in the first place.

[notin]

I don’t know the answer to that question, but I figured that’s why DD selected him in the first place.

 

Actually I wonder if DD hoped he’d stay on the ML.

 

Despite what some think, tying up even a 40 man roster spot with a player you know you can’t use can be a hindrance when defending a pennant, let alone a 26 man roster spot.

 

The Phillies are likely to use or DFA every spot on their 40 man this year in that title defense. Song stands to make it just that much more difficult in two months…

[Bellhorn04]

Actually I wonder if DD hoped he’d stay on the ML.

 

Despite what some think, tying up even a 40 man roster spot with a player you know you can’t use can be a hindrance when defending a pennant, let alone a 26 man roster spot.

 

The Phillies are likely to use or DFA every spot on their 40 man this year in that title defense. Song stands to make it just that much more difficult in two months…

 

Song has to stay on their 26 man list, right?

[mvp 78]

Song has to stay on their 26 man list, right?

 

Yes, he must be active for 90 days.

[Hugh2]

Actually I wonder if DD hoped he’d stay on the ML.

 

Despite what some think, tying up even a 40 man roster spot with a player you know you can’t use can be a hindrance when defending a pennant, let alone a 26 man roster spot.

 

The Phillies are likely to use or DFA every spot on their 40 man this year in that title defense. Song stands to make it just that much more difficult in two months…

 

I think the Phillies absolutely would have benefited from Song being able to stay on the military list, which is exactly why I didn't buy the whole "Philly could have contacted someone at the DoD and gotten the heads up" conspiracy theory.

 

I still think DD is going a huge disservice to this kid, and I hope this is used as a case study to change the rules. Rule 5 is supposed to help players who are MLB-ready from being stuck and stashed in the minors....but for a guy like Song it could be derailing or at least further delaying an MLB career. Well that's actually not true, because he's going to play in the MLB this year, but the kid had a chance to start and he will not have the luxury of ramping up his innings on a throwing program or developing his pitches without the pressures of MLB in the minors for a few years. It would have made sense for the Sox and Songs development if they could have got another year to protect him

[mvp 78]

I'm just not sure what the path is to getting Song to pitch in the near future. Lots of IL stints and MiLB rehab time? If I'm Bloom, I'd have a grievance ready to be filed.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm just not sure what the path is to getting Song to pitch in the near future. Lots of IL stints and MiLB rehab time? If I'm Bloom, I'd have a grievance ready to be filed.

 

I think Song has to be on the Phillies' active list for at least 90 days, or returned.

[Hugh2]

I think Song has to be on the Phillies' active list for at least 90 days, or returned.

 

Yes, but those days are paused if he goes on the IL.

[Hugh2]

I'm just not sure what the path is to getting Song to pitch in the near future. Lots of IL stints and MiLB rehab time? If I'm Bloom, I'd have a grievance ready to be filed.

 

They should. Noah Song could be in extended spring training right now, working on a shoulder-strengthening program, building up endurance, velocity, etc etc. Instead, a kid who has never pitched above Low A ball his entire life and that was back in 2019 is being forced to not only be an MLBer but had to forgo that training process he should have had to go through and throw off a mound right away and got hurt. His injury was 100% predictable, and DD should ashamed of what he's doing to this kid's development.

[mvp 78]

I think Song has to be on the Phillies' active list for at least 90 days, or returned.

 

Phillies can also retain him for the following season to reach the active roster limit before sending him down. He doesn't necessarily have to be returned if he is only on the roster for 80 days this year.

[mvp 78]

They should. Noah Song could be in extended spring training right now, working on a shoulder-strengthening program, building up endurance, velocity, etc etc. Instead, a kid who has never pitched above Low A ball his entire life and that was back in 2019 is being forced to not only be an MLBer but had to forgo that training process he should have had to go through and throw off a mound right away and got hurt. His injury was 100% predictable, and DD should ashamed of what he's doing to this kid's development.

 

Says a lot about the "laugh" that was reported that came from DD at the time of the Rule 5 pick... Maybe it was a little sinister...

[Elktonnick]

It does not have to be a conspiracy. Your mind is creating one where none needs to exist

It would just be a prudent business practice for a pro team to determine what DOD intentions were regarding a particular athlete with a military obligation. That doesn't imply or mean that Phildephia put any pressure on DOD to favor any particular outcome. They would just want to know what DOD's intentions were. Like I said based I my experience this would be a fairly routiine query.

Depending on the job I had at the time I drafted countless replies to congressional offices making inquiries on a constituents behalf regarding what action we planned to take on a particular matter.

[moonslav59]

I don’t know the answer to that question, but I figured that’s why DD selected him in the first place.

 

I think he felt Song would spend more time on the military list and that maybe the timing might work out better, had he been released from duty, later.

[Hugh2]

It does not have to be a conspiracy. Your mind is creating one where none needs to exist

It would just be a prudent business practice for a pro team to determine what DOD intentions were regarding a particular athlete with a military obligation. That doesn't imply or mean that Phildephia put any pressure on DOD to favor any particular outcome. They would just want to know what DOD's intentions were. Like I said based I my experience this would be a fairly routiine query.

Depending on the job I had at the time I drafted countless replies to congressional offices making inquiries on a constituents behalf regarding what action we planned to take on a particular matter.

 

A theory based on pure conjecture is the definition of a conspiracy theory. It’s ok, it doesn’t make you crazy or a bad person, there’s far worse conspiracy theories out there.

[Bellhorn04]

A theory based on pure conjecture is the definition of a conspiracy theory. It’s ok, it doesn’t make you crazy or a bad person, there’s far worse conspiracy theories out there.

 

But maybe he's right that a query could have been made.

[notin]

But maybe he's right that a query could have been made.

 

Maybe it was.

 

Maybe the Sox made one, too. But knowing Song would be free this year from his military obligation didn’t fix his biggest flaw and doesn’t make him worthy of a 40 man roster spot. And, despite Dombrowski’s desperate attempts, certainly doesn’t make him would try of a 26 man roster spot…

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe it was.

 

Maybe the Sox made one, too. But knowing Song would be free this year from his military obligation didn’t fix his biggest flaw and doesn’t make him worthy of a 40 man roster spot. And, despite Dombrowski’s desperate attempts, certainly doesn’t make him would try of a 26 man roster spot…

 

They don't call him Desperate Dave for nothing, notin.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm still hoping to get Song back, but I think framing this as DD potentially ruining a young man's career is pretty silly. He took a shot, with little to lose. He did what HOBO's are supposed to do, try to make their team better. I don't think Song is being treated unethically. The rules are what they are. DD operated within them.

[notin]

I'm still hoping to get Song back, but I think framing this as DD potentially ruining a young man's career is pretty silly. He took a shot, with little to lose. He did what HOBO's are supposed to do, try to make their team better. I don't think Song is being treated unethically.

 

I don’t think he ruined Song’s career. I go think he should have tried to complete a deal and simply optioned So g to the minors.

 

And maybe he did try. Or maybe it was a token, lackluster effort…