Fire Bloom .

[mvp 78]

Well, it's the Red Sox media that really make a big deal out of this to start with.

 

For obvious reasons - DD pulling a "gotcha" on the Sox is juicy material for those guys.

 

Yeah, Pete Abraham really is going out of his way this offseason to ramp up his flabbergastic nature.

[notin]

Agree, and like I said it’s a bigger deal on here than it is to DD, and Philly.

 

It’s actually a bigger gamble for DD.

 

He left a younger AAA pitcher off his roster to draft Song, and then traded that pitcher for a career minor leaguer. I don’t think he did that just to see if Song has some gas left after a 4 year hiatus. It’s not about the money. DD was probably hoping Song could become an impact arm and certainly not crazy enough to think he was going to step right in and dominate…

[Bellhorn04]

It’s actually a bigger gamble for DD.

 

He left a younger AAA pitcher off his roster to draft Song, and then traded that pitcher for a career minor leaguer. I don’t think he did that just to see if Song has some gas left after a 4 year hiatus. It’s not about the money. DD was probably hoping Song could become an impact arm and certainly not crazy enough to think he was going to step right in and dominate…

 

3 year hiatus.

[mvp 78]

It’s actually a bigger gamble for DD.

 

He left a younger AAA pitcher off his roster to draft Song, and then traded that pitcher for a career minor leaguer. I don’t think he did that just to see if Song has some gas left after a 4 year hiatus. It’s not about the money. DD was probably hoping Song could become an impact arm and certainly not crazy enough to think he was going to step right in and dominate…

 

DD doesn't care about the bottom of his 40 man. We know this about him. The guy he traded was meaningless to him.

[notin]

He missed 3 years. "Almost 4 years" is fudging it.

 

He last pitched in 2019. It’s now 2023…

[mvp 78]

3 year hiatus.

 

[notin]

It depends on how he's throwing. If he's only hitting 91, he's being sent back. If he's touching mid 90's with fringy offspeed stuff, I could see OAK/WSH/PIT being able to stash him for the year and thinking of him as a long term solution somewhere once his arm is built back up.

 

I don’t think Pit, Oak or Washington are going to all try to calmly two Rule 5 picks buried on their rosters, bringing both players a year closer to arbitration while minimizing their development. It seems more likely most Sox fans are still enamored with Song’s draft status, which actually means very little at this point. The Sox chose Ryan Zefferjahn before Song and this post might be his first mention on the main board.

 

If DD is still enamored with Song, he’ll complete a trade to keep his rights. If he isn’t, he will return him and hope Erik Miller doesn’t make him look stupid…

[Old Red]

He last pitched in 2019. It’s now 2023…

 

Right he hasn’t pitched in 3 seasons, and is pitching now.

[mvp 78]

I don’t think Pit, Oak or Washington are going to all try to calmly two Rule 5 picks buried on their rosters, bringing both players a year closer to arbitration while minimizing their development. It seems more likely most Sox fans are still enamored with Song’s draft status, which actually means very little at this point. The Sox chose Ryan Zefferjahn before Song and this post might be his first mention on the main board.

 

If DD is still enamored with Song, he’ll complete a trade to keep his rights. If he isn’t, he will return him and hope Erik Miller doesn’t make him look stupid…

 

The difference between Ward and Song is that you don't have to hide Ward. Ward can be the 5th starter. I thought Ward would pitch in BOS this season anyway. He's not being obscenely rushed along. Song can just be the 13th pitcher. Nats aren't trying to compete at all. Why not stash another Rule 5 guy? What's the downside?

[notin]

DD doesn't care about the bottom of his 40 man. We know this about him. The guy he traded was meaningless to him.

 

1. He cares about the bottom of his 40 man roster if he’s a good exec.

 

2. He clearly thought Song (or possibly other pitchers) were better than Miller, which is why he got left off.

 

3. That doesn’t make Miller useless. And since DD is going to probably use 15-20 relief pitchers this year (like every team) while defending his pennant, the bottom of the 40 man and the upper tier of the minors are important.

[notin]

The difference between Ward and Song is that you don't have to hide Ward. Ward can be the 5th starter. I thought Ward would pitch in BOS this season anyway. He's not being obscenely rushed along. Song can just be the 13th pitcher. Nats aren't trying to compete at all. Why not stash another Rule 5 guy? What's the downside?

 

Because carrying Rule 5 players isn’t as easy as a lot of people think. Just because the Nats/Pirates/A’s won’t be good or spend money doesn’t mean the goal is to put inferior products on the field.

 

Stashing a Rule 5 player is a bad idea. Player gains a year of service time while losing a year of development. Teams like these need players they can actually use, not experiments with prolonged inactivity. What makes you think Song is better than the internal options these teams already have? The ones who have actually been pitching…

[mvp 78]

1. He cares about the bottom of his 40 man roster if he’s a good exec.

 

2. He clearly thought Song (or possibly other pitchers) were better than Miller, which is why he got left off.

 

3. That doesn’t make Miller useless. And since DD is going to probably use 15-20 relief pitchers this year (like every team) while defending his pennant, the bottom of the 40 man and the upper tier of the minors are important.

 

I disagree. He's a good exec because he makes the most out of his MLB squad. The bottom of the 40 man roster isn't as big of a deal to him.

 

I didn't say Miller was useless, just that he was ultimately "meaningless" to DD. DD wants impact to the Phillies in 2023. He doesn't care about long term stuff. He wants a WS today. If he thinks Song can be an impact reliever on that 26 man roster, then it's all worthwhile. The guys that don't have the juice can be let go. It's why he was quick to add Dubon and Logan Allen to trades. Ultimately, he didn't need them that year and just wanted a deal done.

 

He has a completely different outlook on building a farm than other execs. To him, he uses his farm to supplement his MLB team through trades first and foremost.

[mvp 78]

Because carrying Rule 5 players isn’t as easy as a lot of people think. Just because the Nats/Pirates/A’s won’t be good or spend money doesn’t mean the goal is to put inferior products on the field.

 

Stashing a Rule 5 player is a bad idea. Player gains a year of service time while losing a year of development. Teams like these need players they can actually use, not experiments with prolonged inactivity. What makes you think Song is better than the internal options these teams already have? The ones who have actually been pitching…

 

The Nats can use Ward. Your argument was "how can they stash 2 Rule 5 guys, boy is that hard." Well, I think it's going to be easy to stash Ward as he's going to be just fine for them. For Song, if the Nats see him as a high value long term project, why not just stash him as the last guy on your bench. It's not a big deal. They aren't competing. That's not dragging their product down in any measurable manner.

[Old Red]

1. He cares about the bottom of his 40 man roster if he’s a good exec.

 

2. He clearly thought Song (or possibly other pitchers) were better than Miller, which is why he got left off.

 

3. That doesn’t make Miller useless. And since DD is going to probably use 15-20 relief pitchers this year (like every team) while defending his pennant, the bottom of the 40 man and the upper tier of the minors are important.

The bottom of the 40 man isn’t as important to some as it is to most on here, and I don’t think it means that someone is a bad exec if he feels that way.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yeah, Pete Abraham really is going out of his way this offseason to ramp up his flabbergastic nature.

 

He's still sore about the night someone in the front office told him they were about to re-sign Bogaerts -- and when he woke up, Xander was a Padre.

[notin]

The bottom of the 40 man isn’t as important to some as it is to most on here, and I don’t think it means that someone is a bad exec if he feels that way.

 

Of course it does.

 

The “bottom of the 40 man roster” still contains MLB-eligible players in it. It’s referred to as “The Reserve List” for a reason. You might as well say DD doesn’t care about depth.

 

I’m sure it’s more important to DD than any of us here can even emphasize. He’s going to make a dozen or so moves over the course of the season trying to use this part of the roster to fill gaps and cover for injuries.

 

Just because you think it isn’t important doesn’t mean any executives feel that way. In fact, it’s a very safe bet none of them do…

[mvp 78]

He's still sore about the night someone in the front office told him they were about to re-sign Bogaerts -- and when he woke up, Xander was a Padre.

 

I thought that was Sean McAdam?

[mvp 78]

Of course it does.

 

The “bottom of the 40 man roster” still contains MLB-eligible players in it. It’s referred to as “The Reserve List” for a reason. You might as well say DD doesn’t care about depth.

 

I’m sure it’s more important to DD than any of us here can even emphasize. He’s going to make a dozen or so moves over the course of the season trying to use this part of the roster to fill gaps and cover for injuries.

 

Just because you think it isn’t important doesn’t mean any executives feel that way. In fact, it’s a very safe bet none of them do…

 

His trades and his treatment of the 40 man roster during his days as a Red Sox exec show otherwise...

[Old Red]

Of course it does.

 

The “bottom of the 40 man roster” still contains MLB-eligible players in it. It’s referred to as “The Reserve List” for a reason. You might as well say DD doesn’t care about depth.

 

I’m sure it’s more important to DD than any of us here can even emphasize. He’s going to make a dozen or so moves over the course of the season trying to use this part of the roster to fill gaps and cover for injuries.

 

Just because you think it isn’t important doesn’t mean any executives feel that way. In fact, it’s a very safe bet none of them do…

 

I disagree, and I don’t think the 2023 season will hinge on if Song, or Ort are on the 40 man for the success of the Red Sox. No bet is safe. Especially this one.

[Old Red]

I thought that was Sean McAdam?

 

Bad sources whomever it was.

[notin]

The Nats can use Ward. Your argument was "how can they stash 2 Rule 5 guys, boy is that hard." Well, I think it's going to be easy to stash Ward as he's going to be just fine for them. For Song, if the Nats see him as a high value long term project, why not just stash him as the last guy on your bench. It's not a big deal. They aren't competing. That's not dragging their product down in any measurable manner.

 

Snd yet they’re not going to do it. Because trying to carry one player who can’t be optioned is difficult enough, especially if he struggles. Doing it twice probably more than double as tough.

 

There are teams that are non-competitive every year, yet no one ever Carrie’s more than one Rule 5 player, and there are plenty others that don’t carry any. You’d think if it was such an easy freebie way to get talent and teams didn’t care about the bottom of the 40 man roster, a lot more teams would take part in it…

[Bellhorn04]

He last pitched in 2019. It’s now 2023…

 

So all the pitchers who pitched in MLB in 2022 have had a 1 year hiatus, is that how you see it?

[notin]

His trades and his treatment of the 40 man roster during his days as a Red Sox exec show otherwise...

 

Actually they show he did care, as he was constantly trying to upgrade it.

 

 

If he really was so cavalier about giving Song a trial to see if he was worth it, he could have taken him in the minor league portion of the draft and not had to deal with all the restrictions from the major league phase. I believe Song would have been eligible for that draft…

[mvp 78]

Snd yet they’re not going to do it. Because trying to carry one player who can’t be optioned is difficult enough, especially if he struggles. Doing it twice probably more than double as tough.

 

There are teams that are non-competitive every year, yet no one ever Carrie’s more than one Rule 5 player, and there are plenty others that don’t carry any. You’d think if it was such an easy freebie way to get talent and teams didn’t care about the bottom of the 40 man roster, a lot more teams would take part in it…

 

The Orioles frequently select multiple Rule 5 guys in a given year. They clearly value the Rule 5 process.

 

Maybe OAK or PIT dump their Rule 5 guys in favor of Noah Song now that his eligibility questions are cleared up? I wouldn't outright dismiss it the way you are.

[mvp 78]

Actually they show he did care, as he was constantly trying to upgrade it.

 

 

If he really was so cavalier about giving Song a trial to see if he was worth it, he could have taken him in the minor league portion of the draft and not had to deal with all the restrictions from the major league phase. I believe Song would have been eligible for that draft…

 

I don't think he would have been eligible for the minor league portion until next season.

[mvp 78]

So all the pitchers who pitched in MLB in 2022 have had a 1 year hiatus, is that how you see it?

 

That's why it's called the OFF-season. They are taking a season off.

 

Therefore, Noah Song actually hasn't pitched in 7 years.

[Bellhorn04]

That's why it's called the OFF-season. They are taking a season off.

 

Therefore, Noah Song actually hasn't pitched in 7 years.

 

Now we're getting somewhere!

[Old Red]

So all the pitchers who pitched in MLB in 2022 have had a 1 year hiatus, is that how you see it?

 

No! That’s how Notin sees it.

[mvp 78]

No! That’s how Notin sees it.

 

Yes, that is who Bell was quoting and presumably directing his post to in that post! Are you answering for notin?

[notin]

The Orioles frequently select multiple Rule 5 guys in a given year. They clearly value the Rule 5 process.

 

Maybe OAK or PIT dump their Rule 5 guys in favor of Noah Song now that his eligibility questions are cleared up? I wouldn't outright dismiss it the way you are.

 

 

I would. Both made selections when Song was still available. What’s Song done since then to convince either team they made the wrong choice?

 

 

All of these are long shots at best, but the entire point is trading Song to even a small market team isn’t going to be easy, because he carries his Rule 5 status and probably isn’t some sort of special talent every team needs to take a chance on. Those teams may dump their Rule 5 players, but it probably will have nothing to do with Somg.

 

Especially Oakland, who chose OBP machine Ryan Noda from the Dodgers.

 

For DD, it’s likely going to be 1) acquire Song’s rights from Boston or 2) return Song to Boston. He’s not dumb enough to “stash” him and he clearly has faith in that he left Erik Miller (whose AA numbers rival Thad Ward but is a year younger) because he very likely does have faith in Song, and not because he doesn’t care about the bottom of the 40 man roster, (which has a lot of questionable pitchers on it already).