Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, the Phillies say no, and trade him to a team that can afford to hide him on their 26 or place im on waivers.

 

The Sox hold very little leverage, unless Philly really wants Song on the 40 not the 26. Then we hold some power but not all of it.

 

Why would the Phillies have to trade him?

[Bellhorn04]

I think what really bothers me about the prospect of losing Song is that it seems to run totally opposite to the philosophy we thought Bloom had. Sacrificing a possible future asset for the sake of having someone mediocre but of use in 2023.

 

Maybe Bloom was thinking about his job and the urgency of making the playoffs this year.

 

Or maybe he just assumed Song wouldn't be taken or wouldn't be able to pitch this year.

 

I'd love to know what Kimmi thinks of it, because she's so future-and-farm-oriented.

[notin]

Yeah, right, I'm showing bias with a hypothetical question asked because I'm interested in how the rules work.

 

Hey you said the Sox were being jerks about it.

 

The problem is people look at the Rule 5 draft like it’s a way to steal other players; it’s actually the worst way to get them. You give up a year of minor league development and bring the player a year closer to free agency, all while making him ride the bench.

 

Throw in that Song has never really pitched, and this situation just gets worse. I don’t see Philly keeping him in an active roster spot for a full year as a “low leverage specialist.” The Phillies used 29 different relief pitchers last year when NOT trying to hold a spot for player development. Are they going to use fewer pitchers next year to accommodate Song? While trying to repeat as the NL pennant winner?

 

The Sox can hold out for whatever. To me, the Phillies farm looks very weak with maybe 2 decent players tops. So barring those two, DD would be an idiot to not make a simple trade.

 

People are acting like keeping Song on a roster all year while competing is going to be easy. If you do, you’re very wrong, unless Song is a hit right out of the gate. Most Rule 5 picks are not. Most Rule 5 picks get returned.

 

So really what it comes down to for DD is - hope Song is worth it immediately, which is likely. Otherwise his options are make a trade or send him back…

[moonslav59]

Why would the Phillies have to trade him?

 

They don't have to, but if they feel the need to have a 26th man that can actually play, they may want to trade him for a prospect or more ML ready option.

 

 

My guess is DD would love to keep him but be able to park him in the minors while on the 40 not 26. As far as I know, that can only happen, if they give something to the Sox to get off the Rule 5 hooks.

 

 

 

[Bellhorn04]

Hey you said the Sox were being jerks about it.

 

It was a hypothetical question, notin. "If the Sox decide to be jerks..."

[notin]

It was a hypothetical question, notin. "If the Sox decide to be jerks..."

 

Ok fine. The Sox become jerks and insist on Andrew Painter. DD can always simply try and keep Song in MLB all year, but that’s not as easy as you seem to think, especially for a team hoping to defend the NL pennant.

 

Of course this is Dave Dombrowski. Unless Bloom asks for Painter or Abel, he’ll probably give up just about anyone else no questions asked…

[moonslav59]

I think what really bothers me about the prospect of losing Song is that it seems to run totally opposite to the philosophy we thought Bloom had. Sacrificing a possible future asset for the sake of having someone mediocre but of use in 2023.

 

Maybe Bloom was thinking about his job and the urgency of making the playoffs this year.

 

Or maybe he just assumed Song wouldn't be taken or wouldn't be able to pitch this year.

 

I'd love to know what Kimmi thinks of it, because she's so future-and-farm-oriented.

 

We could have added him to our 40 as insurance against some GM gambling that he will become eligible and be able to pitch well enough in the bigs in 2023.

 

The easy solution would be to have DFA'd someone like Ort and replace him on the 26 with Mills or Kelly or have taken our chances by not protecting Hamilton.

 

I am someone who really values the farm, and I'd have been thrilled has he become eligible and be slated to pitch in single A for us, this year. (Rule 5 protected or not and not selected)

[notin]

I think what really bothers me about the prospect of losing Song is that it seems to run totally opposite to the philosophy we thought Bloom had. Sacrificing a possible future asset for the sake of having someone mediocre but of use in 2023.

 

Maybe Bloom was thinking about his job and the urgency of making the playoffs this year.

 

Or maybe he just assumed Song wouldn't be taken or wouldn't be able to pitch this year.

 

I'd love to know what Kimmi thinks of it, because she's so future-and-farm-oriented.

 

Most likely they figured no one would touch Song after a 3 year hiatus. Especially with Wikkelman, Ryan Fernandez, and Jacob Wallace available…

[moonslav59]

Most likely they figured no one would touch Song after a 3 year hiatus. Especially with Wikkelman, Ryan Fernandez, and Jacob Wallace available…

 

Like I said, so did every other article I read.

[notin]

Like I said, so did every other article I read.

 

The more I think about this, if DD doesn’t make a deal for Song, he is more than not likely to have to return him.

 

And I’m losing confidence in Ward sticking in Washington as well…

Edited February 26, 2023 by notin

[moonslav59]

The more I think about this, if DD doesn’t make a deal for Song, he is more than not likely to have to return him.

 

And I’m losing confidence in Ward sticking in Washington as well…

 

Doesn't "returning him" involve placing him on waivers, first, and any weaker team can take him?

[cp176]

Ok fine. The Sox become jerks and insist on Andrew Painter. DD can always simply try and keep Song in MLB all year, but that’s not as easy as you seem to think, especially for a team hoping to defend the NL pennant.

 

Of course this is Dave Dombrowski. Unless Bloom asks for Painter or Abel, he’ll probably give up just about anyone else no questions asked…

 

Or just maybe DD will do what is best for his team since he is a general manager on a HOF career. You continue to be all over him. Not sure. Time to let it go.

[Bellhorn04]

Like I said, so did every other article I read.

 

The thing is, Song's case is just about unprecedented. Sure, it's the easy play to bet that he has no chance, but we don't actually have any comparative cases as evidence. It's all conjecture.

 

Nobody really knew what Whitlock would be like in 2021, either.

[Old Red]

The thing is, Song's case is just about unprecedented. Sure, it's the easy play to bet that he has no chance, but we don't actually have any comparative cases as evidence. It's all conjecture.

 

Nobody really knew what Whitlock would be like in 2021, either.

 

Either way DD has nothing to lose by taking the gamble on Song. If it works a great move by him, and if it doesn’t no big loss.

[notin]

Or just maybe DD will do what is best for his team since he is a general manager on a HOF career. You continue to be all over him. Not sure. Time to let it go.

 

Actually I’m the one saying he’ll do the smart thing and complete the trade. And I will pick on whatever baseball personality I want to regardless of whether or not you approve…

[notin]

Either way DD has nothing to lose by taking the gamble on Song. If it works a great move by him, and if it doesn’t no big loss.

 

The one thing it did cost him was LHP Erik Miller, who was a top ten prospect in their system and who was left of the 40 man roster to draft Song. Miller has since been traded to San Francisco after not being selected in the Rule 5 draft despite being on everyone’s list of players likely to be selected.

 

So if Miller outperforms Song, it was a bad move by DD…

Edited February 27, 2023 by notin

[Old Red]

It’s absolutely no big deal of he sends Song back. He actually gets back the $100k drafting fee, which means all it costs him a few scouting sessions…

 

I Don’t think DD is worrying about getting $100K back like I said a win if it works out, and No BIG deal if it doesn’t.

[Old Red]

Actually I’m the one saying he’ll do the smart thing and complete the trade. And I will pick on whatever baseball personality I want to regardless of whether or not you approve…

 

Wow! You are just taking this for granted that Song won’t work out just the way it is, and he’ll just stick with no trade, or anything else involved.

[notin]

I Don’t think DD is worrying about getting $100K back like I said a win if it works out, and No BIG deal if it doesn’t.

 

I changed my response upon remembering the true cost above…

[Old Red]

The one thing it did cost him was LHP Erik Miller, who was a top ten prospect in their system and who was left of the 40 man roster to draft Song. Miller has since been traded to San Francisco after not being selected in the Rule 5 draft despite being on everyone’s list of players likely to be selected.

 

So if Miller outperforms Song, it was a bad move by DD…

 

A top ten suspect! Wow, and a dime a dozen.

[notin]

Wow! You are just taking this for granted that Song won’t work out just the way it is, and he’ll just stick with no trade, or anything else involved.

 

I’d call that a very unlikely outcome for a pitcher whose entire career to date consists of facing 65 hitters in rookie ball 3 years ago.

 

And you think he goes from THAT to lasting 162 games against MLB hitters and does so without hurting Philly’s chance to repeat their pennant?

 

I think DD will do the smart thing and complete a trade for Song so he can option him to the minors…

Edited February 27, 2023 by notin

[notin]

A top ten suspect! Wow, and a dime a dozen.

 

Is he more or less suspect than Song?

 

And no, it turns out teams only have 10 prisoners in their top ten prospect list. Not 12…

[Old Red]

Is he more or less suspect than Song?

 

And no, it turns out teams only have 10 prisoners in their top ten prospect list. Not 12…

 

I never said Song wasn’t a suspect, but I’ll go with him.

[Old Red]

Is he more or less suspect than Song?

 

And no, it turns out teams only have 10 prisoners in their top ten prospect list. Not 12…

 

Point being that suspects on any list are a dime a dozen top ten, or not. I’m not much for minor league rankings.

[moonslav59]

I never said Song wasn’t a suspect, but I’ll go with him.

 

Because it's one more thing to blame on Bloom?

[Old Red]

Because it's one more thing to blame on Bloom?

 

Like I said before Song is a fellow Navy Man. That’s all I got.

[Old Red]

Because it's one more thing to blame on Bloom?

 

Wow! Worrying about Bloom getting blamed for something. How cute!

[Hugh2]

The Song conversation just needs to end now. It’s effing stupid. You can’t protect everyone. And someone that fits his profile was never picked before. It’s a bold move by Philly and If it works out for them then more power to the.

 

That’s it. It can just die now, I hate hoping the kid fails so the Sox get him back. I hope he beats the odds. Will suck for the Sox but it’s what it is.

[notin]

Point being that suspects on any list are a dime a dozen top ten, or not. I’m not much for minor league rankings.

 

Doesn’t matter If you are or not. The fact is DD didn’t give up nothing to draft Song. He gave up a 25yo LHP who had actually pitched in the minors at every level. Miller might never amount to much, considering all he got by trading him was a 28yo career minor leaguer. But he still was a casualty of the Rule 5 draft and actually might have a better career than Song, who is both older than Miller and significantly less experienced…

[notin]

Like I said before Song is a fellow Navy Man. That’s all I got.

 

So is Worcester native and former Tampa RHRP Oliver Drake, but I was on the very short list of those campaigning to sign him last year…