Fire Bloom .

[notin]

Agreed, even the Dodgers don’t sign perineal mvp candidiases to play every position. People have equated the Sox poor financial decisions with a lack of desire to spend.

 

This isn’t Tampa North

 

 

People were calling Bloom out for cheapness on this board until it was finally pointed out the Sox still had one of the highest payrolls in MLB.

 

It’s not even just about the Star Factor. There’s a Recency Effect. If you didn’t buy an All Star this off-season, then this of clearly Tampa North…

[Hugh2]

People were calling Bloom out for cheapness on this board until it was finally pointed out the Sox still had one of the highest payrolls in MLB.

 

It’s not even just about the Star Factor. There’s a Recency Effect. If you didn’t buy an All Star this off-season, then this of clearly Tampa North…

 

The thing is, they do sign stars, they’ll sign the prize star off the off-season and set the market, they just don’t do that every offseason

[moonslav59]

People were calling Bloom out for cheapness on this board until it was finally pointed out the Sox still had one of the highest payrolls in MLB.

 

It’s not even just about the Star Factor. There’s a Recency Effect. If you didn’t buy an All Star this off-season, then this of clearly Tampa North…

 

When you look at new spending vs salary lost to trades, free agency or retirement, the net has been very low, until the Story signing.

 

The total budget ranking is misleading when we are talking about Bloom's spending.

 

Now, a $40M AAV winter spending budget (like in 2020 and 2021) is not a small amount, but when you factor in losing and needing to replace some key players and their salaries, $40M was woefully inadequate to just replace who we had, in kind, let alone improve on the 2019 team.

 

$31M Price (we lost $15M via trade)

$29M Betts 2020 arb salary

$20.6 Porcello

$13.8 Pedey out hurt but still paying him (until 2021)

$6 Pearce, $5 Nunez

 

Had he just kept Betts and Price, that's the full $40M winter spending budget, right there. No money to replace Porcello or the 8-10 other holes in the roster. (Then, Price would opt out of 2020 and give the team nothing, except some unexpected salary relief.)

 

Plus, Bloom was handed salary increases of Sale $15>$25.6 and Bogey $12M>$20M from DD extensions.

 

Sure, if we had a healthy Sale and ERod in 2020, we probably don't finish in last, but the team had serious issues.

[Old Red]

People were calling Bloom out for cheapness on this board until it was finally pointed out the Sox still had one of the highest payrolls in MLB.

 

It’s not even just about the Star Factor. There’s a Recency Effect. If you didn’t buy an All Star this off-season, then this of clearly Tampa North…

People who call out Bloom about being cheap already knew the facts that the Sox having one of the highest payrolls in baseball was the results of what happened before Bloom got to Boston, and not what Bloom did. Nothing proved, and nothing gained.

[Old Red]

You probably should stop speaking for people who aren’t you. The whole notion that your opinion is widespread among the fans is completely unsupported.

 

And unnecessary. We already take you seriously. You don’t need to pretend to be popular…

I’ll stick to my opinion thank you. To think that most fans opinions are swayed by the mainstream media, and not on their own is completely unsupported. You may get swayed by the media, but I know I don’t.

[moonslav59]

Since the JD signing, our biggest signing was in March or 2022: Story. If you count Sale and Bogey's extensions, the window shortens, but they were extended in 2019. From after 2019 to March 2022, there has been only one deal signed for 3 or more years (Story.) That's a timeframe from Nov 2019 to March 2022. Count it as 2 seasons with nothing major.

 

2007

$14M x 5 JD Drew

$13M x 4 Papi

$10M x Beckett

$9M x 4 Lugo

$8M x 6 Dice K (plus $52M posting fee)

 

2009

$10M x 4 Youk

$7M x 6 Pedey

$6M x 5 Lester

 

2010

$17M x 5 Lackey

 

2011

$20M x 7 Crawford

$17M x 4 Beckett

 

2012

$22M x 7 AGon

$7M x 4 Buch

 

2013

$13M x 3 Vic

 

2014

$13M x 8 Pedey

$10M x 7 Castillo

 

2015

$22M x 4 HRam

$21M x 4 Porcello

$19M x 5 Pablito

 

2016

$31M x 7 Price

$11M x 2 Kimbrel (traded for last 2 yrs of 4 yr deal)

 

2017

(traded for Sale $7M 2017, $12.5M 2018, $15M 2019)

 

2018

$22M x 5 JD

 

2019

$17M x 4 Nate

 

2020 (extended before Bloom)

$25.6 x 5 Sale

$20M x 3 Bogey (opt out)

none after 2019 season

 

2021

None

 

2022

$23M x 6 Story

 

(I may have missed a big signing or extension.)

Edited November 29, 2022 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

I’ll stick to my opinion thank you. To think that most fans opinions are swayed by the mainstream media, and not on their own is completely unsupported. You may get swayed by the media, but I know I don’t.

 

Note: Sports Talks Shows are considered media.

[moonslav59]

People who call out Bloom about being cheap already knew the facts that the Sox having one of the highest payrolls in baseball was the results of what happened before Bloom got to Boston, and not what Bloom did. Nothing proved, and nothing gained.

 

Actually, it did need to be repeated many times for some to "get it."

[notin]

I’ll stick to my opinion thank you. To think that most fans opinions are swayed by the mainstream media, and not on their own is completely unsupported. You may get swayed by the media, but I know I don’t.

 

You don’t get swayed by the media?

 

Dude you openly admit to quoting then out here nearly every day!!

Edited November 30, 2022 by notin

[notin]

People who call out Bloom about being cheap already knew the facts that the Sox having one of the highest payrolls in baseball was the results of what happened before Bloom got to Boston, and not what Bloom did. Nothing proved, and nothing gained.

 

What difference does it make who spent it? The bottom line was there was not any more to spend.

 

And no - there were several who flat out ignored the existence of the payroll…

[Old Red]

What difference does it make who spent it? The bottom line was there was not any more to spend.

 

And no - there were several who flat out ignored the existence of the payroll…

 

It was pointed out to me several times, and I already knew the answer. Like I said nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Old Red]

You don’t get swayed by the media?

 

Dude you openly admit to quitting then out here nearly every day!!

 

Quitting what? The funny part is in all my past adventures through the different sports venues I’ve discovered that Bloom has more supporters on here than anywhere else. In other words not much support at all.

[notin]

Quitting what? The funny part is in all my past adventures through the different sports venues I’ve discovered that Bloom has more supporters on here than anywhere else. In other words not much support at all.

 

Quoting, not quitting. My auto correct on this keyboard is soooo annoying…

[notin]

Quitting what? The funny part is in all my past adventures through the different sports venues I’ve discovered that Bloom has more supporters on here than anywhere else. In other words not much support at all.

 

See, once again it’s the whole “but all these complete strangers agree with me. You’ll have to take my word they exist.”

[Old Red]

See, once again it’s the whole “but all these complete strangers agree with me. You’ll have to take my word they exist.”

 

But on the other hand you have nothing to backup they don’t. Like I’ve said many times all my adventures through all the sports venues through the years starting with Guy Manela, and the Sports Babe I would say I’m more in tune with their thoughts, and opinions then opinions on here.Come to any conclusions you want about that.

[moonslav59]

But on the other hand you have nothing to backup they don’t. Like I’ve said many times all my adventures through all the sports venues through the years starting with Guy Manela, and the Sports Babe I would say I’m more in tune with their thoughts, and opinions then opinions on here.Come to any conclusions you want about that.

 

So... the media.

[notin]

But on the other hand you have nothing to backup they don’t. Like I’ve said many times all my adventures through all the sports venues through the years starting with Guy Manela, and the Sports Babe I would say I’m more in tune with their thoughts, and opinions then opinions on here.Come to any conclusions you want about that.

 

How old are you? Six!?!

 

The entire point -since the opinions of others cannot be proven either way - is to ignore them and just use your own.

 

Two posts ago, you denied getting swayed by sports media opinions. And then you cite two of them.

 

This is getting sad…

[notin]

So... the media.

 

He doesn’t get how the media works. He thinks their business model is to inform…

[moonslav59]

He doesn’t get how the media works. He thinks their business model is to inform…

 

He doesn't even know what media is, but don't try to explain it: "nothing ventured- nothing gained." Come to think of it, he doesn't know what that means, either.

 

I think he meant, "don't bother venturing, since nothing will be gained," but I hate to put words in his mouth with a foot already stuffed in it.

[Old Red]

How old are you? Six!?!

 

The entire point -since the opinions of others cannot be proven either way - is to ignore them and just use your own.

 

Two posts ago, you denied getting swayed by sports media opinions. And then you cite two of them.

 

This is getting sad…

Missing the point again, but that’s alright. The point being I don’t get swayed by Any opinions in the media, but I said my opinions line up more with what I have heard on the different sports venues then what I see on here. Do you think most opinions voiced on here are more mainstream, or not? I have heard a lot more opinions on other sports venues even in the last year then on here, so I think I have a pretty good grasp of things with all the different opinions shared, and like I said earlier Bloom gets a lot more support on here then anywhere else. V E R Y Interesting in the least.

[notin]

Missing the point again, but that’s alright. The point being I don’t get swayed by Any opinions in the media, but I said my opinions line up more with what I have heard on the different sports venues then what I see on here. Do you think most opinions voiced on here are more mainstream, or not? I have heard a lot more opinions on other sports venues even in the last year then on here, so I think I have a pretty good grasp of things with all the different opinions shared, and like I said earlier Bloom gets a lot more support on here then anywhere else. V E R Y Interesting in the least.

 

Right.

 

You don’t get swayed. You just constantly cite them to support your opinion…

[Old Red]

Right.

 

You don’t get swayed. You just constantly cite them to support your opinion…

Much to your chagrin that they do support my opinions, which I’m sure you would do the same thing if they supported your opinions. I’ll take the bigger sample size out there compared to the smaller sample size on here any day, but in the end they are all just opinions. Maybe you are one of the ones who does gets swayed by the media, and that’s alright too. On the other hand I don’t get swayed by opinions of the media anymore then I get swayed by the opinions voiced on here, and you know how that works out.

Edited November 30, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Missing the point again, but that’s alright. The point being I don’t get swayed by Any opinions in the media, but I said my opinions line up more with what I have heard on the different sports venues then what I see on here. Do you think most opinions voiced on here are more mainstream, or not? I have heard a lot more opinions on other sports venues even in the last year then on here, so I think I have a pretty good grasp of things with all the different opinions shared, and like I said earlier Bloom gets a lot more support on here then anywhere else. V E R Y Interesting in the least.

 

Almost all the "support" is from posters responding to near non stop bashing and lack of context criticism.

 

Some of those you may think are supporters might not be as supportive as you think: they might just trying to bring the extreme bashers closer to center.

 

IMO, it's too early to get much of a read on who Bloom is, or what his final legacy will be. The shackles should be coming off. His farm will start adding players in the next few years. The player budget has just become more than 50% his.

[moonslav59]

Much to your chagrin that they do support my opinions, which I’m sure you would do the same thing if they supported your opinions. I’ll take the bigger sample size out there compared to the smaller sample size on here any day, but in the end they are all just opinions.

 

Truth is not proved by majority.

[Hugh2]

Dodgers just signed Shelby Miller, Bloom must of infected the Dodgers somehow.

[moonslav59]

Dodgers just signed Shelby Miller, Bloom must of infected the Dodgers somehow.

 

ML contract at a base of $1.5M.

 

Bloom sitting on his hands, AGAIN!

 

LOL.

[Bellhorn04]

Missing the point again, but that’s alright. The point being I don’t get swayed by Any opinions in the media, but I said my opinions line up more with what I have heard on the different sports venues then what I see on here. Do you think most opinions voiced on here are more mainstream, or not? I have heard a lot more opinions on other sports venues even in the last year then on here, so I think I have a pretty good grasp of things with all the different opinions shared, and like I said earlier Bloom gets a lot more support on here then anywhere else. V E R Y Interesting in the least.

 

As 5 Gloves said, if you go to the comments section on the Boston Globe you see some people defending Bloom and Henry.

 

The real question is why you make such a big deal of how many Bloom defenders there are here. There's a handful. So what?

[Old Red]

As 5 Gloves said, if you go to the comments section on the Boston Globe you see some people defending Bloom and Henry.

 

The real question is why you make such a big deal of how many Bloom defenders there are here. There's a handful. So what?

No big deal to me, but the problem seems to be the criticism of Bloom that gets called bashing, and that upsets some so much. So what? I believe Bloom’s record speaks for itself, but some spend 24 hours a day defending it with the same excuses over, and over. So to some the problem is the criticism of Bloom more than the defending of Bloom. I said i didn’t like the hiring of Bloom on day 1, and that just sets off all kinds of sirens, and whistles, and some can’t understand why someone could say such a thing. Just having a different opinion, which may be overboard, but that happens on both sides does it not?

Edited November 30, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

As 5 Gloves said, if you go to the comments section on the Boston Globe you see some people defending Bloom and Henry.

 

The real question is why you make such a big deal of how many Bloom defenders there are here. There's a handful. So what?

 

Maybe, he things right and wrong is decided by majority.

 

I also think he is overestimating the amount of Bloom supporters, here, and to what extent they "support" him. When a poster says something like, "He's done nothing to help the team," and someone responds, "What about Whitlock, Schreiber, Renfroe, Refsnyder, Wacha...," I don't see that as meaning the responder loves Bloom or even thinks he's made more good moves than bad. He's just pointing out something he disagrees with on that post.

 

I know I am lumped in with the "Bloom supporters" or "apologists," but I have been sharply critical of many of the moves Bloom has made. I think his grade is largely a incomplete. I think one major priority he was given was to build up the farm and 40 man roster foundation before the next step is made. On those two front, we can't really grade out the farm, yet, but on paper, it looks much better, in part because some of DD's prospects have risen father and faster than expected. On the 40 man roster foundation, he ha swung and missed a lot on minor and moderate additions. It's been a revolving door with the bottom 10-15 slots on the 40, since day one. I, for one, expected him to do better on the minor moves, although I realize it's hard for any GM to have more hits than misses on waiver wire additions, Rule 5 selections and free agent signings at $7M or under. His $10M signings: Richards for 1 year and Paxton for 2 did not work out. The Story signing is suspect, at this point.

 

I know I am not thrilled with what Bloom has done, but I feel optimistic about the direction of the roster and team, and think this winter should be the breakout moment of his tenure, here.

 

[moonslav59]

No big deal to me, but the problem seems to be the criticism of Bloom that gets called bashing, and that upsets some so much. So what? I believe Bloom’s record speaks for itself, but some spend 24 hours a day defending it with the same excuses over, and over. So to some the problem is the criticism of Bloom more than the defending of Bloom. I said i didn’t like the hiring of Bloom on day 1, and that just sets off all kinds of sirens, and whistles, and some can’t understand why someone could say such a thing. Just having a different opinion, which may be overboard, but that happens on both sides does it not?

 

The "bashing" is 24/7, too.

 

We understand your position. Disagree does not mean not understanding. That works both ways.

 

When there are parts we don't understand, we ask for clarification and at times get stone-walled or accused of overanalyzing for trying to dive deeper into the debate.