Suzuki vs Story - Early Returns on Investment

[redsoxrules]

The advance analytics is killing baseball, shift included.

[moonslav59]

The advance analytics is killing baseball, shift included.

 

Yes, advanced analytics is oh for its last 24.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Story's bat looks like it's starting to come around.

 

And I still think he should be playing SS with Xander at 2B. I acknowledge that there is a lot more that goes into that decision that I am not privy to, but on the surface, I'd have Story at SS.

 

Obviously, when a team's in the cellar, a lot of weaknesses are magnified. But I can't remember the last time a Gold Glove quality shortstop and elite athlete looked so awkward in a transition to play second base. Admittedly, I wasn't paying close attention to the reviews of Semien and Baez when they each shifted to second last year. But they both seemed to thrive there... at least the moves didn't affect their offense.

[Bellhorn04]

Obviously, when a team's in the cellar, a lot of weaknesses are magnified. But I can't remember the last time a Gold Glove quality shortstop and elite athlete looked so awkward in a transition to play second base. Admittedly, I wasn't paying close attention to the reviews of Semien and Baez when they each shifted to second last year. But they both seemed to thrive there... at least the moves didn't affect their offense.

 

And Semien signs a huge contract and is off to a terrible start in 2022. It's a funny game.

[Old Red]

And Semien signs a huge contract and is off to a terrible start in 2022. It's a funny game.

 

Semien is hitting 153 at the moment.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Semien is hitting 153 at the moment.

 

Lots of guys had bad 2022 Aprils offensively. My point was that Story also looks uncomfortable in his first month as a second baseman. If the team had a winning record, his swings and misses, and double clutches, would certainly be less noticeable.

 

But I'm more confident that he'll get used to the position -- if that's really where the Sox signed him to play -- than that Bradley or Dalbec will hit hot streaks or Barnes will pitch lights-out under pressure or Vazquez will remember how many outs there are while running the bases.

[Bellhorn04]

Story has had a few things to contend with mentally. He went from being the shortstop for Colorado to the second baseman for the Red Sox. And I'm sure he's not unaware of the hue and cry about Bogey's contract situation. And then he gets off to a rough start.

[moonslav59]

Some selected other early returns:

 

OPS

.254 E Rosario

.398 Schoop

.443 Semien

.479 N Cruz

.596 Story

.633 Correa

 

 

[notin]

Story has had a few things to contend with mentally. He went from being the shortstop for Colorado to the second baseman for the Red Sox. And I'm sure he's not unaware of the hue and cry about Bogey's contract situation. And then he gets off to a rough start.

 

And he had less ST to get himself going...

[notin]

Some selected other early returns:

 

OPS

.254 E Rosario

.398 Schoop

.443 Semien

.479 N Cruz

.596 Story

.633 Correa

 

 

 

Corey Seager's .710 looks a bit respectable in comparison, but is that what $32mill gets these days?

[moonslav59]

Corey Seager's .710 looks a bit respectable in comparison, but is that what $32mill gets these days?

 

I stopped looking at .650, since that's about the league mean.

[Old Red]

Everybody knows about Story's home/road splits.

 

What's not publicized as much is that Bogaerts's road OPS is .756. So that would be "not good" in your books too, right?

 

Edit Ha, talk about getting beat to the punch!

 

News Flash. Story now plays all 162 away from Coors Field.

[Bellhorn04]

News Flash. Story now plays all 162 away from Coors Field.

 

That misses the point, which is that he has hit as well on the road as Bogey has.

[moonslav59]

That misses the point, which is that he has hit as well on the road as Bogey has.

 

Don't go changing the question on him. He, alone, gets to do that.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Yeah if we hadn’t low balled two team leaders and the faces of the Redsox maybe things would be different .Fire Chump Bloom

[Old Red]

That misses the point, which is that he has hit as well on the road as Bogey has.

 

I got that point 100%, but you’re missing the point that Story will no longer play 81 games at Coors.

[Old Red]

Yeah if we hadn’t low balled two team leaders and the faces of the Redsox maybe things would be different .Fire Chump Bloom

 

I don’t believe Story will ever fill Bogey’s shoes in Boston although I believe some already felt that way when Story was signed.

[Bellhorn04]

I got that point 100%, but you’re missing the point that Story will no longer play 81 games at Coors.

 

Nope, well aware of it.

[moonslav59]

Nope, well aware of it.

 

You must be a rocket scientist!

[Old Red]

Nope, well aware of it.

 

That is a more important point than he hits on the road as well as Bogey. Just throwing that out there.

[Bellhorn04]

That is a more important point than he hits on the road as well as Bogey. Just throwing that out there.

 

If Story can hit as well as Bogey does at Fenway, Story will have the same numbers as Bogey, won't he?

 

It's a big if, of course, but it seems possible.

[Old Red]

If Story can hit as well as Bogey does at Fenway, Story will have the same numbers as Bogey, won't he?

 

It's a big if, of course, but it seems possible.

 

From Kevin Garnett. ANYTHING’S POSSIBLE! Are you like Moon, and think the Story signing didn’t make sense?

[iortiz]

I still think, Story is going to post 800+ & 25+ HR

[Kimmi]

How can you say JBJ is not part of the problem? He's been a minus player since last year. He's a big part of the problem. Catching balls is not going to score you runs. You need both.

 

It doesn't matter how well he's hitting the ball. At the end of the day he's not getting on base and doing s*** since last year.

 

Let's look at ichiro Suzuki. This guy most of his hits were single and they weren't pretty but at the end of the day he got on base any way he could whether it was bloop hits or weak soft grounders.

 

JBJ can hit the ball as hard as he want. At the end of the day if those balls don't fall for hits it don't mean s***.

 

JBJ was the intended #9 hitter. We never really expected him to be a game changer offensively. If the rest of the lineup were hitting like they should be, JBJ's lack of hitting would be much less noticeable and would not be a problem.

 

I understand that the bottom line is getting results. At the same time, if you're hitting the ball hard and the balls are finding gloves, there's not a whole lot that you can do about it as a hitter.

[Kimmi]

Obviously, when a team's in the cellar, a lot of weaknesses are magnified. But I can't remember the last time a Gold Glove quality shortstop and elite athlete looked so awkward in a transition to play second base. Admittedly, I wasn't paying close attention to the reviews of Semien and Baez when they each shifted to second last year. But they both seemed to thrive there... at least the moves didn't affect their offense.

 

The transition hasn't been as smooth for Story as we would have hoped, either offensively or defensively. Baseball is such a mental game. I'm guessing Story and a lot of the other players are in their own heads right now.

[moonslav59]

The transition hasn't been as smooth for Story as we would have hoped, either offensively or defensively. Baseball is such a mental game. I'm guessing Story and a lot of the other players are in their own heads right now.

 

Careful, you'll have ole red calling you a psychiatrist.

 

[Old Red]

Careful, you'll have ole red calling you a psychiatrist.

 

 

Moon you know that you was the one who said Bogey would be under such mental stress for having to play along Story, because Bogey knew Story was a better SS than he was, so this is just another example of you being wrong again, and shows what kind of psychiatrist you are. Terrible all the way around.

[Old Red]

JBJ was the intended #9 hitter. We never really expected him to be a game changer offensively. If the rest of the lineup were hitting like they should be, JBJ's lack of hitting would be much less noticeable and would not be a problem.

 

I understand that the bottom line is getting results. At the same time, if you're hitting the ball hard and the balls are finding gloves, there's not a whole lot that you can do about it as a hitter.

 

Who was it who said hit ‘‘em where they ain’t?

[JDavis76]

Moon you know that you was the one who said Bogey would be under such mental stress for having to play along Story, because Bogey knew Story was a better SS than he was, so this is just another example of you being wrong again, and shows what kind of psychiatrist you are. Terrible all the way around.

 

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[JDavis76]

Who was it who said hit ‘‘em where they ain’t?

 

Wee Willie Keeler, he's a ancestor of mine.

Edited May 4, 2022 by JDavis76