4/28 SOX @ Jays 3:07PM ET

[Old Red]

9 and 11 is a lot better than 8 and 12. They are just digging themselves further down in the Hole. Baltimore is a s*** team. Yes, that's when you want to rest players as even a lineup like they rolled yesterday they could win against Baltimore.

 

Yeah Cora won the world series in 2018. That team was stacked. Any manager would of won with that team. They had 2 MVPs in the batting lineup and the pitching was quite good all around.

 

Even Farrell won a WS.

[Bellhorn04]

They made the playoffs by just 1 game last year. I repeat they made the playoffs by 1 game last year, so yes EVERY game counts, and if Bogey needs a rest so bad like you seem to think he does then I’m sure he would tell Cora, so yes 9-11 is better than 8-12.

 

I trust Cora knows what he's doing, a lot more than I trust the opinion of a bunch of fans. It's as simple as that.

[Old Red]

I trust Cora knows what he's doing, a lot more than I trust the opinion of a bunch of fans. It's as simple as that.

 

We all understand your trust in Cora is the root of all this, and not so much looking out for Bogey’s best interest, but Red Sox Nation has spoken loud, and clear on this, and your opinion is in the minority, but even then it doesn’t mean you are wrong. Like I’ve said many times an opinion is just that, and no right, and wrong to it.

[Bellhorn04]

We all understand your trust in Cora is the root of all this, and not so much looking out for Bogey’s best interest, but Red Sox Nation has spoken loud, and clear on this, and your opinion is in the minority, but even then it doesn’t mean you are wrong. Like I’ve said many times an opinion is just that, and no right, and wrong to it.

 

That's all reasonable. The only thing I would argue is that the fans who complained about Bogey sitting don't necessarily represent the entirety of the Nation. Complainers tend to be the ones who get "loud and clear", as you say.

[Old Red]

That's all reasonable. The only thing I would argue is that the fans who complained about Bogey sitting don't necessarily represent the entirety of the Nation. Complainers tend to be the ones who get "loud and clear", as you say.

 

Ok I’ll give you the entirety , but the majority of what I head on TV, Radio, and on here. I like Cora, and I think he’s a good manager for the most part, but I just don’t agree on resting players this early in the season when the team is floundering.

[moonslav59]

All regulars have scheduled rest days now. The Yankees do it too and their fans bitch like crazy too.

 

The idea is that over the long haul it keeps guys fresher down the stretch and hopefully in the playoffs.

 

"Scheduled days off" might not mean a plan for so and so to have May 12th off. I bet many managers try to give a guy a day off in the next few days and try to choose the best fit.

 

We don't know a lot of what Cora knows, but on the surface, resting Bogey, yesterday did not make a lo of sense to some of us. Maybe he had some health issue or even told Cora he needed a rest. We don't ever know the full picture.

 

I'm fine with resting guys. I think we might be going overboard some on the amount, but I trust these guys know what they are doing. That being said, it doesn't mean I have to agree with every singular moves management makes to still be happy with the totality of their choices and philosophies.

 

Nothing is ever as black and white as many seem to think it is, except that Stork is a troll. That's clear as day to all of us.

[mvp 78]

I trust Cora knows what he's doing, a lot more than I trust the opinion of a bunch of fans. It's as simple as that.

 

I'm just glad we don't have people on here touting their experience scouting high school ballplayers anymore.

[Maxbialystock]

We all understand your trust in Cora is the root of all this, and not so much looking out for Bogey’s best interest, but Red Sox Nation has spoken loud, and clear on this, and your opinion is in the minority, but even then it doesn’t mean you are wrong. Like I’ve said many times an opinion is just that, and no right, and wrong to it.

 

Oh, knock it off. Bellhorn04 has plenty of good reasons to defend Cora. I personally am mad about last night's loss and the very weak lineup that caused it. Let's not forget that the Jays only run was off sub Arroyo's error and therefore unearned. So I think this loss is on Cora.

 

But no way, no how have I lost confidence in him. Last night only underscores how tenuous the hitting on this team is. Shaw was the DH (lefty bat going against righty starter) and is hitless in 7 games and 19 at bats. Story (OPS .601) so far is an expensive bust--on offense and defense. Dalbec (OPS .457) is once again off to a very slow start. So is JBJ (OPS .486). So is Arroyo (OPS .384). So is Hernandez (OPS .610).

 

About 2018. Yes, certainly, a good hitting team, most runs scored and highest team OPS in MLB. JDM was a great acquisition and his first year he seemed to make everyone else hit better. That said, the Sox run differential that season was + 229, better than the Yankees +182, but not as good as the Astros +263. The Sox ERA that year was a decent but hardly dominant 3.75, 8th best in MLB. To me Cora really earned his pay in the postseason because his very highly paid closer Kimbrel absolutely stunk (ERA 5.91!!!!). By October ace Chris Sale was fading, and started just 3 games and pitched just 15.1 innings in the postseason. Price and Eovaldi, however, were pretty good, combining for 8 starts (5 quality starts) and ERA's of 3.45 and 1.61.

[mvp 78]

Ok I’ll give you the entirety , but the majority of what I head on TV, Radio, and on here. I like Cora, and I think he’s a good manager for the most part, but I just don’t agree on resting players this early in the season when the team is floundering.

 

This early in the season when they didn't have a normal offseason... I think if he had a full Spring Training, you could have a point. I think it's smart to take it a little easy early on.

[mvp 78]

Also, the biggest problem that comes from resting these guys is that the bench is f***ing horrible. That's on Bloom. You need to be able to sit a guy once every other week, but the guy that comes in can't be a total dud like Shaw. If you have to DH Travis Shaw in 2022, you deserve to lose.

[moonslav59]

Also, the biggest problem that comes from resting these guys is that the bench is f***ing horrible. That's on Bloom. You need to be able to sit a guy once every other week, but the guy that comes in can't be a total dud like Shaw. If you have to DH Travis Shaw in 2022, you deserve to lose.

 

Good point.

 

Shaw, Arauz, Refsnyder- yuck! Then, Arroyo and Plawecki are below a .385 OPS, too.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Oh, knock it off. Bellhorn04 has plenty of good reasons to defend Cora. I personally am mad about last night's loss and the very weak lineup that caused it. Let's not forget that the Jays only run was off sub Arroyo's error and therefore unearned. So I think this loss is on Cora.

 

But no way, no how have I lost confidence in him. Last night only underscores how tenuous the hitting on this team is. Shaw was the DH (lefty bat going against righty starter) and is hitless in 7 games and 19 at bats. Story (OPS .601) so far is an expensive bust--on offense and defense. Dalbec (OPS .457) is once again off to a very slow start. So is JBJ (OPS .486). So is Arroyo (OPS .384). So is Hernandez (OPS .610).

 

About 2018. Yes, certainly, a good hitting team, most runs scored and highest team OPS in MLB. JDM was a great acquisition and his first year he seemed to make everyone else hit better. That said, the Sox run differential that season was + 229, better than the Yankees +182, but not as good as the Astros +263. The Sox ERA that year was a decent but hardly dominant 3.75, 8th best in MLB. To me Cora really earned his pay in the postseason because his very highly paid closer Kimbrel absolutely stunk (ERA 5.91!!!!). By October ace Chris Sale was fading, and started just 3 games and pitched just 15.1 innings in the postseason. Price and Eovaldi, however, were pretty good, combining for 8 starts (5 quality starts) and ERA's of 3.45 and 1.61.

 

Eovaldi was the most valuable pitcher of that entire postseason. His stats for his playoff innings in '18 show he was the best since Johnson and Schilling in '01. However, Nate's overall contributions were immediately overlooked when Dombrowski signed him to a four-year contract that complainers viewed as a reward because he took one for the team in that extra-inning marathon in LA. Then he got injured in '19. In retrospect, Eovaldi is now underrated in how important he was on that all-time team.

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi was the most valuable pitcher of that entire postseason. His stats for his playoff innings in '18 show he was the best since Johnson and Schilling in '01. However, Nate's overall contributions were immediately overlooked when Dombrowski signed him to a four-year contract that complainers viewed as a reward because he took one for the team in that extra-inning marathon in LA. Then he got injured in '19. In retrospect, Eovaldi is now underrated in how important he was on that all-time team.

 

Yes, in 2019 there were many comments about how dumb it was to give Eovaldi $68 mill for one nice little playoff run...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, in 2019 there were many comments about how dumb it was to give Eovaldi $68 mill for one nice little playoff run...

 

To me, he looked like a guy who finally harnessed his potential, entering his prime (like every Oriole pitcher that leaves Baltimore, except Cashner). I also wanted the Red Sox to sign him to keep another ace away from Houston's rotation. Ironically, for how much some folks thought he was overpaid at $17 AAV, we can all agree that won't even sniff market value next winter.

[mvp 78]

Good point.

 

Shaw, Arauz, Refsnyder- yuck! Then, Arroyo and Plawecki are below a .385 OPS, too.

 

Refsnyder has actually been good in AAA and MLB this season. I don't think he's going to keep it up though.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I think this board is dominated by grumpy old man types, but there's not much I can do about that either.

 

Get off my board!

Edited April 29, 2022 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I think this board is dominated by grumpy old man types, but there's not much I can do about that either.

 

No grumpy old man here. I see a lemon, I make lemonade.

I am old, but I'm not Grumpy. I think I'm more like Dopey.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

And why does Bogey have to rest anyways? Is he injured? I doubt it as they would mentioned something about it

 

Cora schedules days off in advance.

[iortiz]

This team is struggling offensively and yet they decide to sit their hottest hitter?

 

If there's no a healthy issue related, please explain me like a 5 yo why did they do that when the season has not even a month?

 

I like sabermetrics and how the game has been getting more and more analytical but this is getting ridiculous and beyond that man

 

If I were JH I would demand a fully explanation to Cora and Bloom the very next morning on why my 20+ M SS was rested

[dgalehouse]

MLB teams must have data that shows that players are more productive and less likely to get injured when they get occasional days off. It seems that all teams do it now , so that is why I think it is front office policy and not the individual manager's decision. We don't have to like it , but that's how it is.

[notin]

I propose Maxbialystock start a game thread with the incorrect date in it…

[mvp 78]

This team is struggling offensively and yet they decide to sit their hottest hitter?

 

If there's no a healthy issue related, please explain me like a 5 yo why did they do that when the season has not even a month?

 

I like sabermetrics and how the game has been getting more and more analytical but this is getting ridiculous and beyond that man

 

If I were JH I would demand a fully explanation to Cora and Bloom the very next morning on why my 20+ M SS was rested

 

Hey buddy, I know I just got home from work, but I can't play right now. I'm just kinda tired and need a little bit of a break. How about we get up early tomorrow and get donuts, go to the park and see some trains afterwards?

[Thunder]

This team is struggling offensively and yet they decide to sit their hottest hitter?

 

If there's no a healthy issue related, please explain me like a 5 yo why did they do that when the season has not even a month?

 

I like sabermetrics and how the game has been getting more and more analytical but this is getting ridiculous and beyond that man

 

If I were JH I would demand a fully explanation to Cora and Bloom the very next morning on why my 20+ M SS was rested

 

Hey buddy, I know I just got home from work, but I can't play right now. I'm just kinda tired and need a little bit of a break. How about we get up early tomorrow and get donuts, go to the park and see some trains afterwards?

 

It's no different than any personal day that any employee in any industry takes. I was burned out after tax busy season, so I took all of last week off. By no means am I saying that my firm is so important that they couldn't survive without me, but they make it clear that they would sacrifice the events of that day for the long-term physical or mental wellbeing of any of us.

 

Forcing Xander to play because we "need him" to win a ballgame? How is that fair to him, if 99.999999% of any other set of employers out there make you work when you're sick or injured?

 

It's not all about winning, and I'm glad to see that

[Old Red]

Hey buddy, I know I just got home from work, but I can't play right now. I'm just kinda tired and need a little bit of a break. How about we get up early tomorrow and get donuts, go to the park and see some trains afterwards?

 

Sounds like Sheldon Cooper. Bazinga!